Know Your History: Jews Transforming The Land(NY Times, 1890-1912)

[Sixties Fan]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

Area, you fool. A region, you fool. Like the Appalachian region in the US. It is "not" a country.

It was never a country, a Nation as the Arabs insist in calling it at the time when there was none, before or after WWI, or at any other time since.

And still.....there is none.

There were people there, fool. It was Palestine, fool. But, please, continue...

Just tell us how many of those non Jews made the area grow.
Transformed it for the better.
At any time since the 7th Century.

 

[louie888]

Just tell us how many of those non Jews made the area grow.
Transformed it for the better.
At any time since the 7th Century.

A helluva lot more than jews had done who were around for centuries more.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Just tell us how many of those non Jews made the area grow.
Transformed it for the better.
At any time since the 7th Century.

A helluva lot more than jews had done who were around for centuries more.

A "Helluva Lot More" according to whom and where are the witnesses, documents, books, articles written about it ?

Bragging.....is not proof.

 

[louie888]

Just tell us how many of those non Jews made the area grow.
Transformed it for the better.
At any time since the 7th Century.

A helluva lot more than jews had done who were around for centuries more.

A "Helluva Lot More" according to whom and where are the witnesses, documents, books, articles written about it ?

Bragging.....is not proof.

You claim that the Jews were there for centuries longer than anyone else, yet you also claim that Palestine was a barren wasteland.

Get your story straight and check back.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Just tell us how many of those non Jews made the area grow.
Transformed it for the better.
At any time since the 7th Century.

A helluva lot more than jews had done who were around for centuries more.

A "Helluva Lot More" according to whom and where are the witnesses, documents, books, articles written about it ?

Bragging.....is not proof.

You claim that the Jews were there for centuries longer than anyone else, yet you also claim that Palestine was a barren wasteland.

Get your story straight and check back.

You are dishonestly putting one fact known by most of historians and what witnesses who visited the area during the 19th century wrote in their books.

Jews (Judaism )have been in the area since before King David founded the Kingdom of Israel 3000 years. Their presence in the area has been continuous, as attested by every invader since then, from the Philistines to the Ottomans and British.

There is no point in anyone waiting for you to come up with any proof that Christians or Muslims, Arabs or Ottomans, at any time took care of the land and made it grow, much less make the deserts bloom instead of uprooting trees by the Millions and other things which ended up turning what had once strived into desert and swamps.

Your usual intent is well known.

 

[louie888]

Jews (Judaism )have been in the area since before King David founded the Kingdom of Israel 3000 years.

No proof of this other than religious hogwash.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jews (Judaism )have been in the area since before King David founded the Kingdom of Israel 3000 years.

No proof of this other than religious hogwash.

Stick to the point of the thread, Nazi hogwash.

 

[louie888]

Jews (Judaism )have been in the area since before King David founded the Kingdom of Israel 3000 years.

No proof of this other than religious hogwash.

Stick to the point of the thread, Nazi hogwash.

Thanks for admitting that there is no proof of your insane contention. You should do this more often when your BS is called out.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jews (Judaism )have been in the area since before King David founded the Kingdom of Israel 3000 years.

No proof of this other than religious hogwash.

Stick to the point of the thread, Nazi hogwash.

Thanks for admitting that there is no proof of your insane contention. You should do this more often when your BS is called out.

No one admitted anything. That you reject Jewish History I posted, for your Nazi reasons, that is your problem. There is Egyptian, Philistine, Assyrian, Phoenician, Babylonian, Greek, Roman etc evidence of what I wrote and you know that. It is all documented.

You are on a rant today........

Get off the sun !

 

[louie888]

Jews (Judaism )have been in the area since before King David founded the Kingdom of Israel 3000 years.

No proof of this other than religious hogwash.

Stick to the point of the thread, Nazi hogwash.

Thanks for admitting that there is no proof of your insane contention. You should do this more often when your BS is called out.

No one admitted anything. That you reject Jewish History I posted, for your Nazi reasons, that is your problem. There is Egyptian, Philistine, Assyrian, Phoenician, Babylonian, Greek, Roman etc evidence of what I wrote and you know that. It is all documented.

You are on a rant today........

Get off the sun !

You rant this crap daily, yet have proven nothing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

 

[Shusha]

Do the indigenous people of the USA have the right to self determination? Hell no they don't. The right to self governance? No. The right to preserve their own culture? No.

I'm not sure if you are trying to say that the First Nations peoples of the US do not have these rights, or that they have not yet the ability to exercise those rights. But according to the UN they most certainly DO have those rights. United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

Article 3 Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Article 4 Indigenous peoples, in exercising their right to self-determination, have the right to autonomy or self-government in matters relating to their internal and local affairs, as well as ways and means for financing their autonomous functions.

Article 5 Indigenous peoples have the right to maintain and strengthen their distinct political, legal, economic, social and cultural institutions, while retaining their right to participate fully, if they so choose, in the political, economic, social and cultural life of the State.

Article 8 1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.

Article 11 1. Indigenous peoples have the right to practise and revitalize their cultural traditions and customs. This includes the right to maintain, protect and develop the past, present and future manifestations of their cultures, such as archaeological and historical sites, artefacts, designs, ceremonies, technologies and visual and performing arts and literature.

I asked the question about indigenous because I wanted to see the argument of people on here. People are making an argument, and often on here the arguments aren't very good. So, I try and look at the main parts and see if there's any logic at all.

How am I doing, then?

Jewish people aren't an ethnicity.

That sounds very much you've like something you've made your mind up about. But I'd challenge you to consider where you got this idea. Here's the definition of "ethnicity" again:

the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition

The Jewish people have both a common national and cultural tradition, of which religion is a part, but only a part. So it seems to me that you have to throw out the definition in order to reach your conclusion. And that is faulty logic.

But the point is we're dealing with who is indigenous of a particular piece of land. And the first factor here is that forefathers have to have lived there, and for many Jewish people this just isn't so. Or at least it isn't so for a long period of time. It depends on whether they think they can trace their ancestry back through Russia/Germany/wherever and then back to Palestine, which is probably almost impossible to do. So....

The Jewish people absolutely do believe they can trace their ancestry back to Israel, Judea and Samaria. Proof? Same language. Same religion. Same culture. Same traditions. Same life event practices (birth, marriage, death). Same holidays. Same celebrations. Same rituals. Same clothing peculiarities. Same legal system. Same foods. Same agricultural practices. Same myths. Same literature. Same history.

And again, a reminder that the definition of indigeneity is based on culture.

So it seems to me that while you are claiming to be trying to be fair and balanced, you have actually taken on a position which is untenable given the working definitions which apply to all other groups. You are the one who is working backwards from a belief and trying to justify it. Rather than checking to see if a particular group meets the criteria. As a test, try it out on any other ethnic group. Tell me how you would know they are part of that ethnic group.

 

[Mindful]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

Same old boring tripe.

 

[Shusha]

I asked the question about indigenous because I wanted to see the argument of people on here. People are making an argument, and often on here the arguments aren't very good. So, I try and look at the main parts and see if there's any logic at all.

Interestingly, there are people, like Ryan Bellerose, who believe that the Arab Palestinian people are ALSO indigenous to that particular piece of land. His reasoning is that the identity of the Arab Palestinians developed on that territory. I'm not sure I agree with him, as Arab Palestinians don't meet the criteria for a distinct culture. But for him, that is enough.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

Same old boring tripe.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel was created on the mooch. Even Golda Meier took a trip to the US to mooch money for the war. Israel is always in congress with its hand out. There are "charities" all over the place with their hand out for Israel.

The biggest bunch of freeloaders on the planet.

 

[louie888]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

Same old boring tripe.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel was created on the mooch. Even Golda Meier took a trip to the US to mooch money for the war. Israel is always in congress with its hand out. There are "charities" all over the place with their hand out for Israel.

The biggest bunch of freeloaders on the planet.

And never forget that it was their spy, John Pollard who stole our nuclear secrets and not only provided them to his masters in israel, but also sold them off to our sworn enemies.

 

[Mindful]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

Same old boring tripe.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel was created on the mooch. Even Golda Meier took a trip to the US to mooch money for the war. Israel is always in congress with its hand out. There are "charities" all over the place with their hand out for Israel.

The biggest bunch of freeloaders on the planet.

Don't bother.

 

[P F Tinmore]

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

Same old boring tripe.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel was created on the mooch. Even Golda Meier took a trip to the US to mooch money for the war. Israel is always in congress with its hand out. There are "charities" all over the place with their hand out for Israel.

The biggest bunch of freeloaders on the planet.

Don't bother.

How can you defend freeloaders?

 

[rylah]

Just tell us how many of those non Jews made the area grow.
Transformed it for the better.
At any time since the 7th Century.

A helluva lot more than jews had done who were around for centuries more.

A "Helluva Lot More" according to whom and where are the witnesses, documents, books, articles written about it ?

Bragging.....is not proof.

You claim that the Jews were there for centuries longer than anyone else, yet you also claim that Palestine was a barren wasteland.

Get your story straight and check back.

One doesn't exclude the other.

 

[rylah]

In December 1938, before WWII and the establishment of the modern state of Israel, National Geographic ran a photo essay entitled Change Comes To Bible Lands. Besides looking at places such as Egypt and Iran at the time, it also looked at the area then known as “Palestine.”...

WHOA,WHOA,WHOA, wait a second, you idiots are on here every day screaming about how there was no Palestine.

Thanks for the post 60s.

We're talking about the land. You know: the LAND. Transforming it. Making things grow.

The Zionists MOOCHED money from all over the world to create their colonial state inside Palestine.

The Palestinians were building their state on their own dime.

Same old boring tripe.

Everything from Rothschild to little blue boxes, Israel was created on the mooch. Even Golda Meier took a trip to the US to mooch money for the war. Israel is always in congress with its hand out. There are "charities" all over the place with their hand out for Israel.

The biggest bunch of freeloaders on the planet.

Indeed the Jewish state was built with the help of wealthy Jewish barons like Hirsh and Rothchild. But those BARONS DIDN'T DRY THE SWAMPS, they didn't plant forests, they didn't FIGHT and bleed for the land.
Those were the working Jews who left everything behind to sweat and build with their own hands.
They did it because they ACTUALLY wanted an independent country, self- determination...while the Palestinians wanted to be ruled by Syria or to be a part of some other bigger Arab state.
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What about the Palestinians?
I've heard the amount of money spent on Palestine is bigger than the budget spent on rebuilding Europe after WWII.

All they have is a couple of poor Qatari Emir's,Iran, the UNRWA and beyond that US and the majority of Europe...no mooch at all