"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador"

[Crepitus]

If the court were to somehow try to give the president "consequences,"

Shouldn't those breaking the law face consequences?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

If he's under the soverign, domestic authority of the counry of El Salvador.

Why are US taxpayers paying El Salvador to house him?

If the US prisoners that the US transferred to El Salvador are under their soverign and domestic authority, cancel the $6,000,000 we're paying to house them.

WW

The Congress allocated that money. Trump can't stop it. Remember?

 

[The Duke]

Why isn't the Admin trying to bring him back?

Why is some shnook judge demanding they do?

 

[Coyote]

The victims of gang violence are very real. I'm not willing to wait until we have a verified victim of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, before I support deporting gang members.

So you deport someone who has committed no crimes here in the US or in El Salvador, to a notorious prison, bypassing due process and denying him the ability to defend himself from these allegations, because at this point that is ALL you have. His only crime is being in the country illegally.

First of all there is not a fix for every mistake. Some time you just admit your error and move on.

Uh. No.

Sometimes you admit your error and FIX IT.

Otherwise, it means nothing. Oh sorry. Too bad. Hope your stay in Cecot is a nice one. Please give us a 5 star review.

In this case, I'm saying it is not in need of fixing. He's a verified member of MS13, a vicious gang of murderers, rapists, child trafickers, and drug dealers. He was in the country illegally. He's now returned to his home country, in custody. He's El Salvador's problem now, even if we took back every penny we have paid them or will pay them.

You still have not shown me what crimes he has committed that warrants being sent to (and as you desire, kept at) Cecot. All you do is go on about crimes OTHER people have committed. As far as I know we do not normally incarcerate (much less send out to be tortured) people for crimes other people committed.

El Salvador is dealing with him as well as a person like that can be dealt with. Are you aware of the large drop in crime in El Salvador since they cracked down on gangs? Even the documentarist who made the tearjerker about conditions in CET, led by saying that neighborhoods in El Salvador are safe for the citizens now.

Sorry…not aware of this so called large drop in crime because I’m still trying to comprehend why you would send someone who has committed no known crimes to Cecot and how that improves crime rates.

He was not convicted of anything that I know of. But he was verified in court to be a member of MS13, and to be in the country illegally. That's enough for a free ride back to his homeland.

Ok. Finally. He is not convicted of anything.

Let’s add some more.

Has he been charged with anything (other than a misdeamenor of illegally entering this country)?

Did El Salvador have a warrant out for him? Did they request extradition? Have they charged or convicted him of anything?

If not for his predecessor, Trump would not have this emergency to deal with.

Quit diverting this onto his predecessor. That’s a crappy excuse for bypassing the legal process. Immigration has been a problem for a long time. This is on Trump now. No one else.

I've admitted ad nauseum that he was sent to El Salvador by mistake.

Good.

Now how about FIXING it?

The gang he is a member of has, so I don't need to know details about his particular crimes. I'm not advocating that he be put in prison in the U.S.

You don’t know details about his particular crimes because as of now, there are none. No charges in either country have ever been filed. You cannot convict people based on speculation and that is what you are doing.

Is your theory that he was some sort of auxiliary member, maybe keeping the books, or running human resources for the gang?

My theory is none of that. I don’t HAVE a theory because I don’t CARE about any theories. This isn’t about theories. It’s about the facts as they exist at this point in time and the legal process we are supposed to follow which include where to send or not send people we are deporting.

Even if he was, he was guilty of supporting them in their crimes.


I doubt if anyone would have made such a foolish request. Well, I guess to the United States under Biden, they might have - and been granted.

So, I’m guessing that bit of mumbo jumbo means no other countries have refused because no other countries have even been asked. That process never occurred.

Again, as silly as my wishing you to be in the DC jail, since we disagree about whether all of the Jan 6 rioters should have been there. I don't wish that. I can have an opinion about who should be president without wishing harm to those who support others.

Well apparently you wish harm on a person who has never been accused, charged or convicted of anything and you don’t think that “error” is significant enough to pressure your president for his return so legal process to be followed.

As pointed out above:

Have you expressed sympathy for them on this forum?

Ah, the old “appeal to emotion fallacy”…I.e. any decent person would blah blah blah.

This isn’t about sympathy.

It’s about a legal process that should be followed to ensure all rights are respected and that tbe laws administered in a just manner.

 

[Dragonlady]

What's the judge gonna do now? Order in the United States Marines? LOL

Except that he's not. He's under the control of the US Government who sent him there. They have an agreement.

 

[The Duke]

So you deport someone who has committed no crimes here in the US or in El Salvador, to a notorious prison, bypassing due process and denying him the ability to defend himself from these allegations, because at this point that is ALL you have. His only crime is being in the country illegally.




Uh. No.

Sometimes you admit your error and FIX IT.

Otherwise, it means nothing. Oh sorry. Too bad. Hope your stay in Cecot is a nice one. Please give us a 5 star review.https://i.ibb.co/gr6K4Km/1aomanbad.jpg



You still have not shown me what crimes he has committed that warrants being sent to (and as you desire, kept at) Cecot. All you do is go on about crimes OTHER people have committed. As far as I know we do not normally incarcerate (much less send out to be tortured) people for crimes other people committed.

Sorry…not aware of this so called large drop in crime because I’m still trying to comprehend why you would send someone who has committed no known crimes to Cecot and how that improves crime rates.




Ok. Finally. He is not convicted of anything.

Let’s add some more.

Has he been charged with anything (other than a misdeamenor of illegally entering this country)?

Did El Salvador have a warrant out for him? Did they request extradition? Have they charged or convicted him of anything?



Quit diverting this onto his predecessor. That’s a crappy excuse for bypassing the legal process. Immigration has been a problem for a long time. This is on Trump now. No one else.




Good.

Now how about FIXING it?


You don’t know details about his particular crimes because as of now, there are none. No charges in either country have ever been filed. You cannot convict people based on speculation and that is what you are doing.



My theory is none of that. I don’t HAVE a theory because I don’t CARE about any theories. This isn’t about theories. It’s about the facts as they exist at this point in time and the legal process we are supposed to follow which include where to send or not send people we are deporting.




So, I’m guessing that bit of mumbo jumbo means no other countries have refused because no other countries have even been asked. That process never occurred.


Well apparently you wish harm on a person who has never been accused, charged or convicted of anything and you don’t think that “error” is significant enough to pressure your president for his return so legal process to be followed.


Ah, the old “appeal to emotion fallacy”…I.e. any decent person would blah blah blah.

This isn’t about sympathy.

It’s about a legal process that should be followed to ensure all rights are respected and that tbe laws administered in a just manner.

On a visa. Next!

 

[Coyote]

On a visa. Nest!

?

 

[The Duke]

?

Was he not here on a visa?
Either way, El Salvador isn't giving him up that easy.

 

[Coyote]

Was he not here on a visa?

Was he not here on a visa?
Either way, El Salvador isn't giving him up that easy.

No, he was an illegal immigrant.

 

[The Duke]

No, he was an illegal immigrant.

He's their national, and they say some retarded US judge cannot have him.
This judge is going to be made an example of, I bet.

 

[Coyote]

He's their national, and they say some retarded US judge cannot have him.

We have laws about where we can deport people to, for example, we can’t deport them to a country that will kill or put them in danger, so in those cases we find another country. Our laws certainly don’t allow us to send an innocent man to a foreign prison.

 

[The Duke]

We have laws about where we can deport people to, for example, we can’t deport them to a country that will kill or put them in danger, so in those cases we find another country. Our laws certainly don’t allow us to send an innocent man to a foreign prison.

It's his own country.
He was deported to it. The End.
What they do with him after that is their business.

 

[Care4all]

If not for his predecessor, Trump would not have this emergency to deal with

Why blame.....Biden???

Garcia came here while Trump was in office the first time? That court judge that allowed him to stay here, was in 2019?

 

[excalibur]

Great. That means we can arrest Trump and send him to another country’s gulag too, right?

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[busybee01]

What's the judge gonna do now? Order in the United States Marines? LOL

This guy is a lying asshole. These people need to be fined $1,000 a day until he is returned.

 

[busybee01]

Foreign aid for an ally.

No it is not foreign aid. We should blow El Salvador off the map.

 

[Godboy]

Why isn't the Admin trying to bring him back?

Why would they want to do that? Furthermore, a judge cannot dictate the foreign policy decisions of a US president. "Separation of Powers" prevents that, by law.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The Congress allocated that money. Trump can't stop it. Remember?

Where did Congress allocatge the money to contract with El Salvador to house US detainees?

or

Did Trump take if from somewhere else? (Like he did with money that was supposed to toward military families and he moved it to builing his wall in the first term. Congress said - improve the lives of military families - Trump moved it on his own.)

WW

 

[Godboy]

Try going to court and getting a verbal offer from the Judge and telling the Judge you won't comply until he puts it in writting.

Yeah? Lets see the judge try to get him back. He cant. He has zero power .

 

[Seymour Flops]

Shouldn't those breaking the law face consequences?

What law?

A judge's orders are not "laws."