"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador"

[Crepitus]

There would likely be consequences.

Why shouldn't the tRumplings face them?

And no, this isn't foreign policy.

 

[Marener]

This was very predictible, and is an example of why intelligent and rational people do not need such examples.

Of course a Federal district judge cannot order El Salvador to send one of its own citizens to the U.S.

You assholes don’t deserve this country.

 

[WorldWatcher]

There would likely be consequences.

But I'm not a president, to the court would not tell me how to conduct foreign policy.

Or maybe they would, if it were Biasberg. Would make as much sense as his other orders.

Remember, this was an Immigration Judge, who is not a member of the judicial branch. They work for the DOJ, at the pleasure of the Attorney General.

Neither Judge Boesberg or Judge Xinis are Immigration Judges working for the DOJ.

They are both Article III Judges and do not work for the Executive Branch.\

WW

 

[Doc7505]

If he's under the sovereign, domestic authority of the country of El Salvador.

Why are US taxpayers paying El Salvador to house him?

If the US prisoners that the US transferred to El Salvador are under their sovereign and domestic authority, cancel the $6,000,000 we're paying to house them.

WW

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When you consider the cost versus the number being housed in El Salvador $6 million is good deal, when you consider the costs incurred within our correctional institutions for incarcerating the same numbers here,...

 

[yidnar]

Why isn't the Admin trying to bring him back?

you want Trump to kidnap a citizen from their own country ?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why shouldn't the tRumplings face them?

And no, this isn't foreign policy.

Trump is the President. He's head of a separate branch.

Of course it is foreign policy. What a bizarre statement. Which Department issues Visas for legal entry into the U.S.?

Neither Judge Boesberg or Judge Xinis are Immigration Judges working for the DOJ.

They are both Article III Judges and do not work for the Executive Branch.\

WW

True, but neither issued any written order before the planes took off.

At that point, it was obviously too late.

 

[Crepitus]

Trump is the President. He's head of a separate branch.

and?

Of course it is foreign policy.

Nope, domestic.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump is the President. He's head of a separate branch.

Of course it is foreign policy. What a bizarre statement. Which Department issues Visas for legal entry into the U.S.?


True, but neither issued any written order before the planes took off.

At that point, it was obviously too late.

The judges order was prior to the planes taking off, it doesn't matter if it was written or verbal.

Try going to court and getting a verbal offer from the Judge and telling the Judge you won't comply until he puts it in writting.

Guarenteed you won't like the results.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

and?

And not subject to micromanagement by the judiciary branch.

If he broke the law, impeachment is the remedy, which involves both of the other branches.

Nope, domestic.

Not unless El Salvador is now a U.S. state or territory.

 

[Crepitus]

And not subject to micromanagement by the judiciary branch.

This is not micromanaging.

 

[Seymour Flops]

This is not micromanaging.

At this point, not yet. If the court were to somehow try to give the president "consequences," that would be micromanaging.

What do you have in mind? Pops?

As long as El Salvador's declining to send their citizen to the U.S. is honored by the courts, I would say they have only tried to enforce their view of the law. If they were to order the president to make threats of witholding funds from El Salvador, or any other adverse action they would mandate the president of the United States take against a foreign ally, that would be incredible micromanaging.

But, I haven't heard of them doing that. It has only been suggested by some posters on here.

The judges order was prior to the planes taking off, it doesn't matter if it was written or verbal.

Is there case law that says that? If so, is it in writing, or did the court just issue a verbal order?

Try going to court and getting a verbal offer from the Judge and telling the Judge you won't comply until he puts it in writting.

Guarenteed you won't like the results.

WW

I'm not the president of the United States, and therefore a separate branch from the juciary.

What were the consequences for Biden when he defied the written order of the USSC in the case of student loans?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Why is the Left so concerned about a citizen of El Salvador being detained in El Salvador? Do they think the country is bad?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

If he ends up back here, he needs to be required to live in a blue state.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why is the Left so concerned about a citizen of El Salvador being detained in El Salvador? Do they think the country is bad?

They do not believe that brown people are capable of running civilized countries.

 

[Coyote]

This was very predictible, and is an example of why intelligent and rational people do not need such examples.

Of course a Federal district judge cannot order El Salvador to send one of its own citizens to the U.S.

I don’t believe for a second El Salvador would refuse if the asked.

 

[Coyote]

They do not believe that brown people are capable of running civilized countries.

I’m glad you think El Salvador prisons are so wonderful. Perhaps you will get to experience that hospitality yourself someday. After all, guilt is not necessary.

 

[Care4all]

I disagree with the word "materials" as I do not think it includes human beings. But, I won't get bogged down in something that petty.

The human beings, at least the one in question, was born in El Salvador. Sending him back was already his return.

Having been returned, this judge wants him to take another trip to the U.S.

El Salvador says no.

End of story, unless you know of another step this judge could take.


They admitted that it was an administrative error to send him to El Salvador. Contrast that against Democrats who refuse ever to admit to any mistake ever.

Best Killmore can hope for is to be sent to a non-El Salvador country - if El Salvadore wants to send him. Since there is no indication that he speaks English, he would be happier there anyway.

Back to the OP's question: What will the judge do now?

Oh geez! Trump and his admin are so weak, they don't even have power enough to facilitate the return of Garcia to the USA with ElSalvador.....when they are paying ElSalvador to keep him.

Is that what you've been trying to convince the thread participants in to believing???

ElSalvador's President will be here Monday to visit President Trump.
I'm pretty darn certain that if Pres Trump asks him to return Garcia, he will.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don’t believe for a second El Salvador would refuse if the asked.

Maybe you're right.

The judge should ask, then. The USSC has ruled that Trump must "facilitate" the "return" of Kilmar. If El Salvador puts him on a plane, then the president must facilitate his coming back in order to comply with that order.

I’m glad you think El Salvador prisons are so wonderful. Perhaps you will get to experience that hospitality yourself someday. After all, guilt is not necessary.

Wow. That's out of left field.

The CET Prison in El Salvadore are appropriate for terrorist gang members, according to El Salvador. Abrego Garcia is guilty of illegally entering the United States, and of defying a removal order. We're not talking about a choirboy, here.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh geez! Trump and his admin are so weak, they don't even have power enough to facilitate the return of Garcia to the USA with ElSalvador.....when they are paying ElSalvador to keep him.

The president and his admin have not been ordered to force or coerce El Salvador.

Is that what you've been trying to convince the thread participants in to believing???

Nothing to do with power. They can facilitate his return, if El Salvador returns him. El Salvador said no. He's their citizen. What part of no don't you understand?

ElSalvador's President will be here Monday to visit President Trump.
I'm pretty darn certain that if Pres Trump asks him to return Garcia, he will.

But the president has not been ordered by the Supreme Court to ask him that.

For very good reason. The courts have been smart enough to stay in their lane when it comes to foreign policy.

 

[Coyote]

Maybe you're right.

The judge should ask, then. The USSC has ruled that Trump must "facilitate" the "return" of Kilmar. If El Salvador puts him on a plane, then the president must facilitate his coming back in order to comply with that order.


Wow. That's out of left field.

The CET Prison in El Salvadore are appropriate for terrorist gang members, according to El Salvador. Abrego Garcia is guilty of illegally entering the United States, and of defying a removal order. We're not talking about a choirboy, here.

Was he in the the US with a legal temporary status?

Has he been convicted of any gang activities here or in El Salvador?

What was the judicial process? (Sorry, tattoos don’t count).

As for left field, it is the only response I can think of when someone thinks it’s a great idea to send anyone to a prison known for torture and horrible conditions absent any kind of legal process to determine that is indeed where he needs to be sent to.