"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador"

[TimFitz]

The person who has responsibility must be the decision maker. If President Trump were to take whatever steps needed to bring Abrego Garcia to the United States, and then he commits a heinous rape-murder, as so many other illegal alien suspected gand members have done, would you blame Trump or the court?

And would it matter in the slightest to the victim and her family?


Not true, but the media is making is sound that way.

The Administration felt compelled to act due to the emergency created by the previous administration's failure to enforce immigration law.

According to the judge in his case:


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, however, alleged that he was a certified gang member based on information that came from a confidential informant used by county police, records state.

According to Abrego Garcia’s attorneys in his current case, the criminal informant had alleged that Abrego Garcia belonged to an MS-13 chapter in New York, where he has never lived.

The information was enough for an immigration judge in 2019 to keep Abrego Garcia in jail as his immigration case continued, court records state. The judge said the informant was proven and reliable and had verified his gang membership and rank.

What to Know About Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Deportee SCOTUS Ordered Trump Admin to Return

The Supreme Court ordered the Trump Administration to facilitate Abrego Garcia’s return to the U.S. after the White House mistakenly deported him to a notorious El Salvador prison.

time.com

Trump has the responsibility for snatching and railroading this guy in the first place.

The Court instructed him to fixit.

The Administration didn’t start railroading people in response to any Biden policy. He idI. It, with his usual slap dash approach to planning or the law because it would play well with his racist base. You made that point in your post with baseless conjecture about gang meme ers and murder.
This case is not about the individual or his family. You focus on that, because it allows you an excuse to ignore the core issue. Which is the rule of law, and whether this malignant administration.

Railroading people, as the Trump regieme is doing, is un American. It is the stuff of Nazis. And it is a threat to the freedom of every American.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump has the responsibility for snatching and railroading this guy in the first place.

The Court instructed him to fixit.

Nope. No court said anything like "fixit."

Just out of curiosity, what "fix" do you have in mind?

The Administration didn’t start railroading people in response to any Biden policy. He idI. It, with his usual slap dash approach to planning or the law because it would play well with his racist base. You made that point in your post with baseless conjecture about gang meme ers and murder.

He's doing it in response to the humanitarian disaster and emergency that Biden's polices have caused.

Would you like to go back to Biden's policies, as we would have if your candidate had won? Border crossing have fallen off to a trickle after literally thousands a day were streaming over - and being given quasi-legal status - under Biden. You want to go back to those thousands?

This case is not about the individual or his family. You focus on that, because it allows you an excuse to ignore the core issue. Which is the rule of law, and whether this malignant administration.

The Law says that the executive power shall be vested in one person. I know Democrats hate the idea of a unitary executive whenever there is a Republican in the White House, but the Consitution makes no such distinction.

Your judgement is hopelessly clouded by your hatred for one man.

Railroading people, as the Trump regieme is doing, is un American. It is the stuff of Nazis. And it is a threat to the freedom of every American.

Nope. Sending an illegal alien gang member out of the country, and to his country of origin doesn't threaten my freedom in the slightest.

 

[Crepitus]

What law?

A judge's orders are not "laws."

YOu know, you do have a point, but it's not the one you are trying to make.

The founders never anticipated a situation where the president would be a lawless criminal so there are no ready remedies to the situation.

Except for that second amendment you guys are so proud of.

But we aren't quite at that point yet.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You want us to abduct foreign nationals to the USA?

That sounds a lot like the slave trade.

He was here and did not commit a crime.

 

[Crepitus]

The person who has responsibility must be the decision maker. If President Trump were to take whatever steps needed to bring Abrego Garcia to the United States, and then he commits a heinous rape-murder, as so many other illegal alien suspected gand members have done, would you blame Trump or the court?

Then why are all these Americans running around loose? They commit far more crimes per capita than immigrants.

 

[Seymour Flops]

YOu know, you do have a point, but it's not the one you are trying to make.

The founders never anticipated a situation where the president would be a lawless criminal so there are no ready remedies to the situation.

Except for that second amendment you guys are so proud of.

But we aren't quite at that point yet.

You sure about that?

You guys were shooting at President Trump before he was even re-elected. Praise Allah, you guys are the worst shots ever.

Then why are all these Americans running around loose? They commit far more crimes per capita than immigrants.

The claim is that Amiericans commit more crimes than honest legal immigrants.*

But not more crimes per capita than illegal alien gang members.

*I'm curious to know where that claim comes from?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

They’re separate powers. Do you understand the concept of separation of powers?

Yes I do. If you had 2 working brain cells you'd understand that is what I said

 

[Carl in Michigan]

No, I think the Executive Branch must faithfully execute the laws of the United States and the Constitution.

WW

And he is

 

[Crepitus]

You guys were shooting at President Trump before he was even re-elected. Praise Allah, you guys are the worst shots ever.

No, son. Sorry to burst your little disinformation bubble but those guys were all disillusioned former tRumplings.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, son. Sorry to burst your little disinformation bubble but those guys were all disillusioned former tRumplings.

Sure, they were . . .

 

[Crepitus]

Sure, they were . . .

Was all over the news each time.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Was all over the news each time.

Nope. More lies.

 

[Crepitus]

Nope. More lies.

YOu should visit the real world once in a while.

 

[Seymour Flops]

YOu should visit the real world once in a while.

I wouldn't see you there, so sounds like a good idea.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Where did Congress allocatge the money to contract with El Salvador to house US detainees?

or

Did Trump take if from somewhere else? (Like he did with money that was supposed to toward military families and he moved it to builing his wall in the first term. Congress said - improve the lives of military families - Trump moved it on his own.)

WW

Congress allocated $124 million last year. Trump can't stop it. Remember? The Democrats demand the money not be stopped. Nothing can be done to stop it, unless Congress passes a bill to do so and the president signs it, which won't happen. Even if it did, it would be too late.

 

[TimFitz]

Nope. No court said anything like "fixit."

Just out of curiosity, what "fix" do you have in mind?

He's doing it in response to the humanitarian disaster and emergency that Biden's polices have caused.

Would you like to go back to Biden's policies, as we would have if your candidate had won? Border crossing have fallen off to a trickle after literally thousands a day were streaming over - and being given quasi-legal status - under Biden. You want to go back to those thousands?

The Law says that the executive power shall be vested in one person. I know Democrats hate the idea of a unitary executive whenever there is a Republican in the White House, but the Consitution makes no such distinction.

Your judgement is hopelessly clouded by your hatred for one man.


Nope. Sending an illegal alien gang member out of the country, and to his country of origin doesn't threaten my freedom in the slightest.

Yes, it most certainly does. The Trump regieme is openly facist.

Disappearing people is an authoritarian terror tactic. And it threatens anyone who lives in a free country. Because if the government can disappear you on a whim and a pretext, you’re not free.

It has not been determined that this man is an illegal alien. In fact, he was in the country legally and married to an American citizen. No investigation was done, no indictment, no warrant and no due process..

This is a test.

If they get away with it, they can do it to anyone.

And the guy who cheers for these Nazi tactics and justifies it by accepting claims not established as a way to blame the victim.

Guys like think it will happen to the other guy. Facists count on that.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, it most certainly does. The Trump regieme is openly facist.

Disappearing people is an authoritarian terror tactic. And it threatens anyone who lives in a free country. Because if the government can disappear you on a whim and a pretext, you’re not free.

It has not been determined that this man is an illegal alien. In fact, he was in the country legally and married to an American citizen. No investigation was done, no indictment, no warrant and no due process..

This is a test.

If they get away with it, they can do it to anyone.

And the guy who cheers for these Nazi tactics and justifies it by accepting claims not established as a way to blame the victim.

Guys like think it will happen to the other guy. Facists count on that.

Try answering the questions, instead of just ranting.

What "fix" do you have in mind for Kilmar Abrego Garcia?

Would you like to go back to Biden's policies, as we would have if your candidate had won? Border crossing have fallen off to a trickle after literally thousands a day were streaming over - and being given quasi-legal status - under Biden. You want to go back to those thousands?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes, it most certainly does. The Trump regieme is openly facist.

Disappearing people is an authoritarian terror tactic. And it threatens anyone who lives in a free country. Because if the government can disappear you on a whim and a pretext, you’re not free.

It has not been determined that this man is an illegal alien. In fact, he was in the country legally and married to an American citizen. No investigation was done, no indictment, no warrant and no due process..

This is a test.

If they get away with it, they can do it to anyone.

And the guy who cheers for these Nazi tactics and justifies it by accepting claims not established as a way to blame the victim.

Guys like think it will happen to the other guy. Facists count on that.

Technically, it has been determined that he * * WAS * * an Illegal Alien (later gaining a temporary legal status). This was admitted to and accepted as fact as part of the 2019 judges decision notes.

That Judge (David M. Jones) took notice of that fact and was agreed to by both parties (the defendant and the government). The proceeding was an asylum hearing based on Abrego Garcia's application for asylum and not to be returned to El Salvador because he was running from gangs and he may be killed.

The judge denied aslyum, but GRANTED a hold on deportation finding there was a creditable fear of death. After that hearing he was legal in a temporary status pending action by the Trump Administration.

There next step was for the administration to seek a 3rd party country to accept Abrego Garcia (IOW 8 USC 1231), at which point they could return to the immigration judge, get the hold lifted, and then deport him to the 3rd party country. A path that the Trump administraetion chose not to take. Instead they issued him work authorization, said (essentially) check in with use when directed, and (esstentially) we'll get back to you.

WW

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_3.pdf

 

[Seymour Flops]

The judge denied aslyum, but GRANTED a hold on deportation finding there was a creditable fear of death. After that hearing he was legal in a temporary status pending action by the Trump Administration.

There next step was for the administration to seek a 3rd party country to accept Abrego Garcia (IOW 8 USC 1231), at which point they could return to the immigration judge, get the hold lifted, and then deport him to the 3rd party country. A path that the Trump administraetion chose not to take. Instead they issued him work authorization, said (essentially) check in with use when directed, and (esstentially) we'll get back to you.

WW

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_3.pdf

You should read your links before you post them:

He was granted the "right" not to be deported to El Salvador, not to stay in the U.S. So, had they found a third country, there would have been no general hold on deportations to be lifted.

So - at best for the side of the gang members and Democrats - Abrego Garcia should be left in El Salvador until a third country can be found that will accept him - assuming that El Salvador is willing to let him go..

Any suggestions as to what country that might be?

And yes. If El Salvador does want to send him to the United States, the Administration is under Supreme Court order to facilitate that move.