Key term and semantics in Nunes' memo.....

[BULLDOG]

Screw 'semantics'...

The Obama administration DOJ and FBI colluded with and paid a 'desperate' foreign spy working with Russians to obtain a fake document - unsubstantiated Democratic Party political opposition research - and intentionally deceptively pushed that data to a secret FISA court to illegally obtain warrants to spy on the GOP Presidential nominee and his team durig an election
...
while Hillary illegally used that data collected by a foreign spy against Trump in a US election - which was / is a crime.

Sedition
Treason
Campaign law violation


And snowflakes want to focus on Clintonian 'semantic' 'Definition of the word 'is' ' distraction crap...

And the credible proof you have of that?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Screw 'semantics'...

The Obama administration DOJ and FBI colluded with and paid a 'desperate' foreign spy working with Russians to obtain a fake document - unsubstantiated Democratic Party political opposition research - and intentionally deceptively pushed that data to a secret FISA court to illegally obtain warrants to spy on the GOP Presidential nominee and his team durig an election
...
while Hillary illegally used that data collected by a foreign spy against Trump in a US election - which was / is a crime.

Sedition
Treason
Campaign law violation


And snowflakes want to focus on Clintonian 'semantic' 'Definition of the word 'is' ' distraction crap...

And the credible proof you have of that?

McCabe swore under oath... or is McCabe no longer credible for you?

 

[nat4900]

Your poor Communists.

You're fucked beyond your wildest fears.

Your party is over, done.

Like the Nazis you so closely resemble, you now fade into history as another evil and corrupt collection of scumbags.

UNhinged, much???.................
(where does the GOP find such assholes....LOL)

 

[nat4900]

They DNC paid for the dossier which was false and then was used in conjunction with a yahoo news story that regurgitated the same bunk, to launch an investigation. You need to quit lying.

Soooooo, according to your fucked up half brain....Mueller was appointed because of the dossier?...
Not because he fired Comey?

I sure hope that you morons don't breed many more morons.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The "strongest" argument made by Trump supporters in the House regarding the now infamous memo........alleges that the FBI STRONGLY relied on the Steele dossier to convince the FISA judge to grant them a warrant to monitor Carter Page's activities.......

The key sentence in the memo states:

Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

Now, notice the wording and the use of the verb (past tense,) SOUGHT.....

Compare the term "sought," used by McCabe, with the much stronger term had McCabe used, APPROVED.

In short, had McCabe stated that the warrant would NOT have been APPROVED without the dossier, THEN Trump supporters would have a stronger case.....But, what McCabe actually stated is that the seeking of a warrant to monitor Page did rely on the dossier..........

Simply put, what Trump supporters are alleging, is that the FISA judge must have been a stooge for the FBI and not objective enough to discern the important reasons for APPROVING a warrant.

"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is." ?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They DNC paid for the dossier which was false and then was used in conjunction with a yahoo news story that regurgitated the same bunk, to launch an investigation. You need to quit lying.

Soooooo, according to your fucked up half brain....Mueller was appointed because of the dossier?...
Not because he fired Comey?

I sure hope that you morons don't breed many more morons.

Seriously, are you really this stupid?

 

[nat4900]

Why don't you tell us all about the TWO PREVIOUS FAILED ATTEMPTS TO GET A WARRANT WITHOUT THE DOSSIER?

Did you get the above from hannity....or from your toilet bowl?

FISA Court Has Rejected .03 Percent Of All Government Surveillance ...
...
Republican 'Release the Memo' Conspiracy Ignores How Difficult It Is ...

FISA Surveillance Requests Are Almost Never Rejected

 

[easyt65]

Screw 'semantics'...

The Obama administration DOJ and FBI colluded with and paid a 'desperate' foreign spy working with Russians to obtain a fake document - unsubstantiated Democratic Party political opposition research - and intentionally deceptively pushed that data to a secret FISA court to illegally obtain warrants to spy on the GOP Presidential nominee and his team durig an election
...
while Hillary illegally used that data collected by a foreign spy against Trump in a US election - which was / is a crime.

Sedition
Treason
Campaign law violation


And snowflakes want to focus on Clintonian 'semantic' 'Definition of the word 'is' ' distraction crap...

And the credible proof you have of that?

McCabe swore under oath... or is McCabe no longer credible for you?

McCabe's wife, lime Comey's, took money from Hillary.

McCabe set up a meeting with Trump / the WH then leaked the info to the nedia.

McCabe is the traitor who talked about how they did not want Trump as President and how they had this 'Insurance Policy' to use against Trump if he did win.

McCabe should be in handcuffs right now ... being squeezed like a lemon.

 

[nat4900]

Seriously, are you really this stupid?

Answer the ******* question, BrownNose.........LOL

 

[nat4900]

McCabe should be in handcuffs right now ... being squeezed like a lemon.

Go for it, Queasy...............LOL

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Steele feed the FBI a load of shit. That's the first fact.

The second fact is the FISA judge didn't know Hillaryous coughed up the cash for this gossip rag trash.

Third, Hillaryous actually provided the money that flowed to Russians through Steele.

You're a melted little snowflake dripping all over the place, again.

First fact - all the the information contained in the Dossier that the FBI investigated has been confirmed as true. I believe that’s about 1/3 of the information it contains but not certain on that.

Fact no. 2. There were 4 FISA warrants issued by 4 different different judges. Only one of those applications used the Dossier because it didn’t exist when the first FISA warrant was issued.

Fact No 3. The largest factor in extending a FISA warrant is whether or not valuable intel has been obtained through the previous surveillance. If not, the warrant was not extended. The Carter Paige warrant was extended 3 or 4 times, at least once before the Dossier was part of the supporting documentation.

Good Allah but you're a dumbfuck.

{
Journalists who are friendly with Fusion GPS and opponents of the Trump administration claim, without any evidence of any kind beyond anonymous sources’ vague say-so, that the dossier has parts that were “verified.” That could mean something as simple as the parts about Russia trying to find information about Trump, or about Trump affiliates having friendly business relations with Russians. We have no evidence to suggest that anything significant from the dossier has been verified. And we don’t know how much, if any, was actually deliberate disinformation from the Russian government sources.


We have reports that the freelance spy who put together some of the information in the dossier was paying Russians for their information and used intermediaries. Former acting CIA director and Hillary Clinton campaign surrogate Michael Morrell said this was discrediting:

‘Then I asked myself, why did these guys provide this information, what was their motivation? And I subsequently learned that he paid them. That the intermediaries paid the sources and the intermediaries got the money from Chris. And that kind of worries me a little bit because if you’re paying somebody, particularly former [Russian Federal Security Service] officers, they are going to tell you truth and innuendo and rumor, and they’re going to call you up and say, ‘Hey, let’s have another meeting, I have more information for you,’ because they want to get paid some more,’ Morrell said.

Far from being “verified,” the dossier is better described as demonstrably false. That includes getting basic facts about Russia wrong, making claims — such as the claim that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen met with Federation Council foreign affairs head Konstantin Kosachev in Prague — that are verifiably wrong, making cartoonishly outlandish claims about finances, and various other problems.}

10 Things Reporters Need To Understand About The Steele Dossier


{
The PDF file of the 30-page typewritten report alleges that high Kremlin officials colluded with Trump, offered him multi-billion dollar bribes, and accumulated compromising evidence of Trump’s sexual escapades in Russia. That the dossier comes from former British intelligence officers appears, at first glance, to give it weight especially with Orbis’ claim of a “global network.” The U.S. intelligence community purportedly has examined the allegations but have not confirmed any of them. We can wait till hell freezes over. The material is not verifiable.

President-elect Trump has dismissed the dossier’s contents as false as has the Kremlin. Trump is right: The Orbis dossier is fake news.

I have studied Russia and the Soviet Union professionally since the mid-1960s. I have visited Russia as a scholar, as the head of a multi-year petroleum legislation project, and as a business consultant close to one hundred times. My first visit was in 1965 shortly after Nikita Khrushchev’s removal. I have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances in Russia, and I follow the Russian press regularly. I personally witnessed the creation in the early 90s of Russia’s giant energy concerns in the offices of the oil minister. I met with St. Petersburg officials in the early 90s but do not remember meeting then deputy mayor, Vladimir Putin. I have written and co-authored reports for the State Department, Congress, and the intelligence community; so I sort of know how these things work.





With the brief exception of the early to late 1990s, Russia has had a non-transparent system of rule that deliberately reveals little about itself. Both insiders and outsiders must look for subtle signs and signals. Russians and Russian experts are gossip junkies. They recite their tales of who is up and who is down to those foolish enough to listen. Outside researchers must grasp for flimsy straws to write their scholarly articles and books. Despite the greater openness of contemporary Russia, we are back to Kremlinology to learn how Putin’s kleptocracy works.

The Orbis report makes as if it knows all the ins-and-outs and comings-and-goings within Putin’s impenetrable Kremlin. It reports information from anonymous “trusted compatriots,” “knowledgeable sources,” “former intelligence officers,” and “ministry of foreign affairs officials.” The report gives a fly-on-the-wall account of just about every conceivable event associated with Donald Trump’s Russian connections. It claims to know more than is knowable as it recounts sordid tales of prostitutes, “golden showers,” bribes, squabbles in Putin’s inner circle, and who controls the dossiers of kompromat (compromising information).}

The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why

The dossier is a proven fraud.

They really are this delusional and deceitful .

 

[easyt65]

Why don't you tell us all about the TWO PREVIOUS FAILED ATTEMPTS TO GET A WARRANT WITHOUT THE DOSSIER?

Did you get the above from hannity....or from your toilet bowl?

FISA Court Has Rejected .03 Percent Of All Government Surveillance ...
...
Republican 'Release the Memo' Conspiracy Ignores How Difficult It Is ...

FISA Surveillance Requests Are Almost Never Rejected

Because no one ever uses unsubstantiated data financed by opposing political parties from foreign spies working with Russians, foreign spies the FBI assessed as desperate to prevent candidates from being President ... like Rosenstein and Comey did in this case.

 

[dudmuck]

As usual you're a ******* liar!
The last FOUR FISA warrants were issued based on the 'dossier'.

...and morons like you know this HOW???

******* Nunes did NOT even see the FISA application....

STOP just listening to hannity, nitwit....use those few brain cells you have.

"The memo states that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”

You really are that stupid aren't ya, natty. There's no electrical activity occurring in that round hollow ball above your neck, lol.

The memo is 100 percent wrong about mccabe and dossier. The memo itself undermines the assertion that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without dossier.
A good summary is here.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Seriously, are you really this stupid?

Answer the ******* question, BrownNose.........LOL

There never should have been an investigation. You continually prove my point, lol. Get back to your crazy wiwitg in the state hospital.

 

[nat4900]

The memo is 100 percent wrong about mccabe and dossier. The memo itself undermines the assertion that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without dossier.

The KEY term....as I tried to address in the O/P is "SOUGHT" versus "GRANTED"......or "obtained."

 

[nat4900]

There never should have been an investigation. You continually prove my point, lol. Get back to your crazy wiwitg in the state hospital.

Well, NOW THAT IS DIFFERENT.....

You morons are still bitching that there IS an investigation by Mueller....which has NOTHING to do with FISA warrants or that nitwit, Page..........LOL

 

[Dragonlady]

FBI didn't find any factual inaccuracies.

Truth can sometimes be painful. Yes, you have supported someone who cheated debate questions and spied political opponents.

you always were a liar

January 31, 2018
FBI Statement on HPSCI Memo
The FBI takes seriously its obligations to the FISA Court and its compliance with procedures overseen by career professionals in the Department of Justice and the FBI. We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA process.

With regard to the House Intelligence Committee’s memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.

FBI Statement on HPSCI Memo

Omissions of facts does not mean that the document wasn't factual... they couldn't find any inaccuracies, or they would have stated so.

Thank god for those omissions, this is probably only the top of the iceberg that looms beneath.

They said that the omissions of fact affect the accuracy of the document. The Memo is a lie.

 

[nat4900]

They said that the omissions of fact affect the accuracy of the document. The Memo is a lie.

FBI Has 'Grave Concerns' About Accuracy of Nunes Memo | Time

 

[LordBrownTrout]

As usual you're a ******* liar!
The last FOUR FISA warrants were issued based on the 'dossier'.

...and morons like you know this HOW???

******* Nunes did NOT even see the FISA application....

STOP just listening to hannity, nitwit....use those few brain cells you have.

"The memo states that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”

You really are that stupid aren't ya, natty. There's no electrical activity occurring in that round hollow ball above your neck, lol.

The memo is 100 percent wrong about mccabe and dossier. The memo itself undermines the assertion that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without dossier.
A good summary is here.

It wasn't an assertion. Those were his words. This entire investigation is built on how democrats illegally paid for dossiers, spying on opposition....and then projectinc their own hypocrisy that trump was involved in collusion....when all along, it was the dems who were colluding and lying. It's nothing short of astounding and criminal.

 

[dudmuck]

Screw 'semantics'...

The Obama administration DOJ and FBI colluded with and paid a 'desperate' foreign spy working with Russians to obtain a fake document - unsubstantiated Democratic Party political opposition research - and intentionally deceptively pushed that data to a secret FISA court to illegally obtain warrants to spy on the GOP Presidential nominee and his team durig an election
...
while Hillary illegally used that data collected by a foreign spy against Trump in a US election - which was / is a crime.

Sedition
Treason
Campaign law violation


And snowflakes want to focus on Clintonian 'semantic' 'Definition of the word 'is' ' distraction crap...

And the credible proof you have of that?

McCabe swore under oath... or is McCabe no longer credible for you?

McCabe's wife, lime Comey's, took money from Hillary.

McCabe set up a meeting with Trump / the WH then leaked the info to the nedia.

McCabe is the traitor who talked about how they did not want Trump as President and how they had this 'Insurance Policy' to use against Trump if he did win.

McCabe should be in handcuffs right now ... being squeezed like a lemon.

Wray pressured McCabe to step down.
Wray is likely a trump lacky because of Wray's connection with law firm of King & Spalding, which represents russian big oil. Wray has pledged loyalty to Trump rather than loyalty to the office.
Its dark times ahead.