Kennedy comments and Fallujah

[TheButlerDidIt]

I find it interesting that the push by the left (started by TK) to call Iraq, Bush's Vietnam, coincided with this newest series of attacks.

Is this really a coincidence or is this evidence that the left's continued dissention is directly affecting our military?

 

[jimnyc]

I find it a little more than coincidental. An Iraqi cleric repeated his comments the very next day.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Thats the most frustrating thing about this.......

Do these idiots not think that the scumbags that are causing the turmoil around the world don't watch TV? Its quite obvious that what the left says in this country is seen as a sign of weakness by our opposition. We are there now. Agree with the how or why we got there or not, you need to get behind our troops.

 

[NightTrain]

You hit it on the head, Jihad.

All of those fanatics cooking up the latest round of lunacy are intently watching CNN, MSNBC, BBC, FOX, etc., to see how the lefties in this country are going to spin the latest round of deaths. Do you think that Mosques being used as military bases was an accident? Of course not.

Their strategy has evolved, this was unmasked with the elections in Spain. They attacked right before the election, the underdog suddenly gained support from a cowardly populace. The new Socialist leader immediately caved (surprise surprise) and withdrew Spain's support. I read an article today about how Spain is rounding up Moroccan terrorists after last weekend's attack in Spain.

Gee, Wally, why are we still getting attacked? We said we wouldn't fight any more!

Yep, good ole Pacifists. Keep turning that cheek, they're bound to get tired sooner or later. Or Spain will run out of cheek.

 

[TheButlerDidIt]

It seems to me that people like TK are smart enough to know that what they say is being heard by the enemy.

The left is very organized and very strategic in their actions.

If it could ever be proved that this was the outcome they were looking for (completely politically motivated) wouldn't it be considered treasonous?

It is a proven fact that Ho Chi Mihn planned some vicious attacks to coincide with some of the larger anti-war demonstrations. He admitted that in several interviews. Shouldn't our leaders learn from that or maybe they have.

Should we start screaming about a vast left wing conspiracy?

 

[JIHADTHIS]

"Run out of cheek" LOL

You are right NightTrain. It's not like the conventional wars of old. The informational age is being used by both sides. Certain members of this country just give them too much ammunition.......

 

[DKSuddeth]

maybe we should rewrite the constitution so that the first amendment to free speech, when it concerns political dissent against a sitting administration, is not included. Or maybe we should strengthen the sedition act so that ANY comments with negative connotations can be considered treasonous and rewarded with execution. Maybe we can THEN make an amendment that not only BANS gay marriage but legalizes the on sight shooting of anyone that protests, period.

After that, we can start dismantling the bill of rights, remove all amendments past the 14th, Establish succession rules based on geneology instead of a voting system, abolish all but the republican party, and set up re-education camps for those who stray from the NEW american concept.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by TheButlerDidIt
It seems to me that people like TK are smart enough to know that what they say is being heard by the enemy.

The left is very organized and very strategic in their actions.
If it could ever be proved that this was the outcome they were looking for (completely politically motivated) wouldn't it be considered treasonous?

I would think so. But I think they refuse to believe that their words and actions are so valuable to the enemy.

It is a proven fact that Ho Chi Mihn planned some vicious attacks to coincide with some of the larger anti-war demonstrations. He admitted that in several interviews. Shouldn't our leaders learn from that or maybe they have.

Unfortunatley (sp) people tend to forget anything that hasn't happened in the last few days.

Should we start screaming about a vast left wing conspiracy?

Nah...we laughed at Hillary I'd hate to use any of her ideas

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
maybe we should rewrite the constitution so that the first amendment to free speech, when it concerns political dissent against a sitting administration, is not included. Or maybe we should strengthen the sedition act so that ANY comments with negative connotations can be considered treasonous and rewarded with execution. Maybe we can THEN make an amendment that not only BANS gay marriage but legalizes the on sight shooting of anyone that protests, period.

After that, we can start dismantling the bill of rights, remove all amendments past the 14th, Establish succession rules based on geneology instead of a voting system, abolish all but the republican party, and set up re-education camps for those who stray from the NEW american concept.

Do you not think there is a difference between free speech and giving the enemy psychological ammunition?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by JIHADTHIS
Do you not think there is a difference between free speech and giving the enemy psychological ammunition?

In the early years of this country we assumed the freedom of speech as a guaranteed right because of who we are. It was done this way because as 'subjects' in england, we were not afforded that by the rule of one individual. Whats gone so wrong in the viewpoint of america is that we think we must now limit some of our inalienable rights because technology changes the world.

There is NO difference between the free speech of political dissent when voicing your objection to your governments policies or actions. Now, if there were people out there cheering for the terrorists (don't try to equate opposition to war with cheering for the terrorists) then yes, you'd have a good point.

It is a violation of a persons rights to silence their dissent simply because you see it as 'giving the enemy psychological ammunition'. By trying to silence that dissent, you have already handed the terrorists a partial victory.

 

[NightTrain]

maybe we should rewrite the constitution so that the first amendment to free speech, when it concerns political dissent against a sitting administration, is not included. Or maybe we should strengthen the sedition act so that ANY comments with negative connotations can be considered treasonous and rewarded with execution. Maybe we can THEN make an amendment that not only BANS gay marriage but legalizes the on sight shooting of anyone that protests, period.

After that, we can start dismantling the bill of rights, remove all amendments past the 14th, Establish succession rules based on geneology instead of a voting system, abolish all but the republican party, and set up re-education camps for those who stray from the NEW american concept.

Let's not get carried away. Republicans, contrary to popular belief, don't want your children to drink nuclear waste. Or require you to shoot your gay neighbor. Really.

Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, DK, we are in a state of war. There exists, RIGHT NOW, an organized group of people who would love nothing more than to slit your throat. And your family's throats. All of our throats. You can't dispute this. No bullshit. They would happily do this on tape and release it to Al Jazeera.

Don't believe me? Try me. I have graphic footage of this shit. All because he was an American.

We need to defend our country at all costs. TK and crew need to be removed from office for treason. They are aiding the enemy.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
In the early years of this country we assumed the freedom of speech as a guaranteed right because of who we are. It was done this way because as 'subjects' in england, we were not afforded that by the rule of one individual. Whats gone so wrong in the viewpoint of america is that we think we must now limit some of our inalienable rights because technology changes the world.

There is NO difference between the free speech of political dissent when voicing your objection to your governments policies or actions. Now, if there were people out there cheering for the terrorists (don't try to equate opposition to war with cheering for the terrorists) then yes, you'd have a good point.

It is a violation of a persons rights to silence their dissent simply because you see it as 'giving the enemy psychological ammunition'. By trying to silence that dissent, you have already handed the terrorists a partial victory.

I respectfully disagree. If they would put the partisan BS aside and use common sense their wouldn't be a problem. If free speech were to be curtailed, we wouldn't even be here disussing this. You can attack the sitting administration all day long. There are many issues they give you ammunition for. I hate to use the anology of screaming fire in a theatre because its so cliche. Just because you can say it doesn't mean you should. I would like to think that you would realize the effects of your actions. I question whether or not Uncle Ted does.

 

[TheButlerDidIt]

There is NO difference between the free speech of political dissent when voicing your objection to your governments policies or actions.

Actually there is a very big difference. Our constitution does not guarantee free speech when it concerns matters of national security.

You cannot stand up in a crwded theater and yell FIRE and claim the right of free speech. Why? Because your actions infringe on the liberties of others. How? By putting them in mortal danger.

Isn't this dissention putting people in mortal danger?

Can't this be considered an issue of national security?

I say yes to both

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by NightTrain
Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, DK, we are in a state of war. There exists, RIGHT NOW, an organized group of people who would love nothing more than to slit your throat. And your family's throats. All of our throats. You can't dispute this. No bullshit. They would happily do this on tape and release it to Al Jazeera.

Don't believe me? Try me. I have graphic footage of this shit. All because he was an American.

We need to defend our country at all costs. TK and crew need to be removed from office for treason. They are aiding the enemy.

In the sense that they are doing it for 'political' reasons, I'm mostly tempted to agree with you, not about the treason part, but about the removal from office part. Unfortunately, they have a large gathering in their neck of the woods that will prevent this.

There is a small group of people who object to the war in iraq on a sincere basis, not for political partisanship reasons, and it is to these I refer to when I say that dissent must not be silenced.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by TheButlerDidIt
Actually there is a very big difference. Our constitution does not guarantee free speech when it concerns matters of national security.

You cannot stand up in a crwded theater and yell FIRE and claim the right of free speech. Why? Because your actions infringe on the liberties of others. How? By putting them in mortal danger.

Isn't this dissention putting people in mortal danger?

Can't this be considered an issue of national security?

I say yes to both

I say no to both.

dissent is not putting people in mortal danger, they are already there in mortal danger at the decision of the government. As in the earlier post, those who are doing the partisan crap like kennedy and such have little to stand on, but there is a group out there who have a justifiable reason to dissent and it is this groups right that must be protected.

 

[NightTrain]

It is a violation of a persons rights to silence their dissent simply because you see it as 'giving the enemy psychological ammunition'. By trying to silence that dissent, you have already handed the terrorists a partial victory.

Yes, and we saw so much of this dissent in WWI and WWII when our very existence was at stake.

I very much doubt if this kind of bullshit was tolerated that we'd be here today. We lost thousands of young fighting men per day and you never had this kind of divisive commentary from senior congressmen. They would have been removed pronto, and rightly so.

How many more thousands, DK, will it take before you realize that we all need to close ranks and fight the people that hate us because we're Americans? We already had over 3k. How about 7k? 50k? Hell, how about the whole State of Alaska, we're about 600k now. You'll have to get more oil though, we supply the lower 48 States with about 30% of your oil.

Would 600,000 dead Americans make you pissed off enough to fight?

We already had over 3k, you tell me how many it will take to bring you liberals over the edge.

BTW - this heartless conservative thought that 1 was wayyy too many.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
dissent is not putting people in mortal danger

What do you think about the Muslim cleric in Iraq that repeated Kennedy's words and called for death to Americans?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by NightTrain
Yes, and we saw so much of this dissent in WWI and WWII when our very existence was at stake.

I very much doubt if this kind of bullshit was tolerated that we'd be here today. We lost thousands of young fighting men per day and you never had this kind of divisive commentary from senior congressmen. They would have been removed pronto, and rightly so.

How many more thousands, DK, will it take before you realize that we all need to close ranks and fight the people that hate us because we're Americans? We already had over 3k. How about 7k? 50k? Hell, how about the whole State of Alaska, we're about 600k now. You'll have to get more oil though, we supply the lower 48 States with about 30% of your oil.

Would 600,000 dead Americans make you pissed off enough to fight?

We already had over 3k, you tell me how many it will take to bring you liberals over the edge.

BTW - this heartless conservative thought that 1 was wayyy too many.

It took over 50,000 in vietnam before you finally realized that the continuation of the 'police action' was a huge political venture started by the CIA to fund the CIA, and even then it wasn't because you saw it as a political ploy, the leaders couldn't fight the political pressure it applied. Why should any other military action be any different?

As I said, the ones doing the 'anti-war' simply because its the opposing view from the republicans, like kennedy, are the ones giving fuel to this momentum but as I said, there are people who oppose the war for personal heartfelt reasons, would you deny their first amendment rights because of it?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by jimnyc
What do you think about the Muslim cleric in Iraq that repeated Kennedy's words and called for death to Americans?

I look forward to his capture, or his death...his choice, but using that clerics words as a political tool to silence political dissent gives those terrorists a victory, since they hate our freedoms. Allowing them to take one away from us is nothing short of victory for them.

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
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As I said, the ones doing the 'anti-war' simply because its the opposing view from the republicans, like kennedy, are the ones giving fuel to this momentum but as I said, there are people who oppose the war for personal heartfelt reasons, would you deny their first amendment rights because of it?

Then you do agree that Kennedy is being an ass. Thank You. Your point about personal heartfelt reasons is legit, and you should never lose your right to express that.