Keeping Trump off the ballot disenfranchises NO ONE

[M14 Shooter]

I made my argument in the OP. In many pages of responding posts, no one has yet to challenge it.

See post 148 / 355.

 

[meaner gene]

Your statement, above, and thus your premise, is false..
We have the - absolute right - to vote for whomever we want; the states are charged with ensuing that right is protected.

Really? If someone if required to have 5,000 qualified nominating signatures, and they only get 4,999 signatures. The state, under it's laws, would not put that person on the ballot.

Write-In Votes Aren't Allowed for President in 9 States

 

[jotathought]

Doesn't the constitution say something about not being able to elect people who are just piles of shit and nothing else.

Unfortunately not .. unless you have the specific language.

 

[Edgetho]

He has been charged with breaking several but innocent till proven guilty. The 14th Amendment, however, does not require a conviction.

Look, you lying, dicksucking, frothing pile of ******* shit..... NObody has been charged with insurrection in this whole mess, much less convicted.

Mods: ban this piece of ******* shit. Scum like this are going to ruin your messageboard.

It's how they work. It's who they are. If they can't control it, they will try to destroy it. I've been kicking around the message board universe for many years and I've seen it happen.

They come in, shout shit, pick fights, find a sympathetic mod or two, start more pig fights, then report, report, report, report.

Run off all, or most of, the conservatives and take over what's left until nobody shows up anymore. Seen it. Been involved in it.

It is scum like this that ruin messageboards. Every.Single.Time.

It's your sandbox. You want to let every stray in the neighborhood shit in it? That's on you.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Really?

Yes.
You still have the - absolute - right vote for the person in question.

Recall YOUR post:
Actually the constitution doesn't give a minimum age to RUN for president, only a minimum age to exercise the powers of the presidency. No matter how that person would come to the office, whether through election, or succession.

 

[meaner gene]

The 14:3 divisibility you cite prohibits someone from taking office.
It does not apply to running for office.
it does not apply to winning an election for office.
Only taking office.
As such, the states do not have standing under 14:3 to remove him from their ballots, as the 14th Amendment does not yet apply.

States run elections (See 10th amendment) and state laws usually only allow "eligible" candidates to appear on the ballot. That means people who don't meet the qualifications for the office they're running for, are not allowed on the ballot.

 

[meaner gene]

No you didn't. You won it by 48,000 votes, spread over three states. You hate Trump, we understand. That's no reason to disenfranchise the 75 million of us that support him.

It was the 81 million who disenfranchised the 75 million.

 

[M14 Shooter]

States run elections (See 10th amendment) and state laws usually only allow "eligible" candidates to appear on the ballot.

And yet, you have the --absolute -- right to vote for whomever you want.

This, this stands:
The 14:3 divisibility you cite prohibits someone from taking office.
It does not apply to running for office.
it does not apply to winning an election for office.
Only taking office.
As such, the states do not have standing under 14:3 to remove him from their ballots, as the 14th Amendment does not yet apply.

Recall YOUR post:
Actually the constitution doesn't give a minimum age to RUN for president, only a minimum age to exercise the powers of the presidenc

 

[MisterBeale]

Do the Constitution's requirements that a presidential candidate be 35 years of age or older, a naturalized citizen and a resident of at least 14 years standing disenfranchise voters who might want to elect someone who doesn't meet those qualifications? YES or NO?

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-1/clause-5/

Article II​

• Section 1 Function and Selection​

  • Clause 5 Qualifications
  • No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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ArtII.S1.C5.1 Qualifications for the Presidency​

Qualifications for the Presidency | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

An annotation about Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States.

web.archive.org

<snip>

There are reasons for the way the Constitution has been written the way it is, and it was not written to prevent those who contest elections, to be prevented from running for office.

I am sorry you do not like this reality.

This will go to the SCOTUS, and this is how they will, (more than likely,) rule. I suggest you start making peace with this reality.

 

[jbander]

Look, you lying, dicksucking, frothing pile of ******* shit..... NObody has been charged with insurrection in this whole mess, much less convicted.

Mods: ban this piece of ******* shit. Scum like this are going to ruin your messageboard.

It's how they work. It's who they are. If they can't control it, they will try to destroy it. I've been kicking around the message board universe for many years and I've seen it happen.

They come in, shout shit, pick fights, find a sympathetic mod or two, start more pig fights, then report, report, report, report.

Run off all, or most of, the conservatives and take over what's left until nobody shows up anymore. Seen it. Been involved in it.

It is scum like this that ruin messageboards. Every.Single.Time.

It's your sandbox. You want to let every stray in the neighborhood shit in it? That's on you.

What a idiot, I think that this has been used to keep a half dozen people out of office and I don't think any of them were found guilty in a court of law for being a insurrectionist. so we know for a fact that what you are saying is 100% bullshit. YUK YUK!!!!!!! By the way A insurrectionist from Jan 6th was thrown out of office in New Mexico for being a insurrectionist. Two courts other then that have proclaimed Jan 6th as being a insurrection.

 

[meaner gene]

Yes.
You still have the - absolute - right vote for the person in question.

Recall YOUR post:
Actually the constitution doesn't give a minimum age to RUN for president, only a minimum age to exercise the powers of the presidency. No matter how that person would come to the office, whether through election, or succession.

And states that run elections, usually require that only "eligible" candidates appear on their ballots. To be elected to congress the only residential requirement is they be an inhabitant of the state, not live in the house district they're seeking office in.
It's the states that impose representatives have to live in the congressional district.
Which shows it's the states that write their election laws, and the states determine if someone is eligible to appear on the ballot.

 

[Rawley]

It was the 81 million who disenfranchised the 75 million.

Keep the record going Ratty, 1,000%

 

[jbander]

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-1/clause-5/

Article II​

• Section 1 Function and Selection​

  • Clause 5 Qualifications
  • No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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ArtII.S1.C5.1 Qualifications for the Presidency​

Qualifications for the Presidency | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

An annotation about Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States.

web.archive.org

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View attachment 890373

There are reasons for the way the Constitution has been written the way it is, and it was not written to prevent those who contest elections, to be prevented from running for office.

I am sorry you do not like this reality.

This will go to the SCOTUS, and this is how they will, (more than likely,) rule. I suggest you start making peace with this reality.

“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.” These people are idiots.

 

[meaner gene]

And yet, you have the --absolute -- right to vote for whomever you want.

You're right that you can vote for Mr. Ed or Mickey Mouse. But state laws usually say that such votes, no matter how many or how few, are not counted.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And states that run elections, usually require....

And yet, you have the --absolute -- right to vote for whomever you want.

Recall YOUR post:
Actually the constitution doesn't give a minimum age to RUN for president, only a minimum age to exercise the powers of the president

Thus, this stands:
The 14:3 divisibility you cite prohibits someone from taking office.
It does not apply to running for office.
it does not apply to winning an election for office.
Only taking office.
As such, the states do not have standing under 14:3 to remove him from their ballots, as the 14th Amendment does not yet apply.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You're right that you can vote for Mr. Ed or Mickey Mouse. But state laws usually say that such votes, no matter how many or how few, are not counted.

if the state does not count and record legal votes, the state has violated the rights of the voters of the state.

 

[meaner gene]

And yet, you have the --absolute -- right to vote for whomever you want.

Recall YOUR post:
Actually the constitution doesn't give a minimum age to RUN for president, only a minimum age to exercise the powers of the president

As such, the states do not have standing under 14:3 to remove him from their ballots, as the 14th Amendment does not yet apply.

The 14th applies just like Article II applies.

 

[jbander]

Get this straight the right has abandoned democracy when they supported Trump with their signatures to over turn the election . and we all know it was a lie something the court in 60 cases have verified. The voters on the right know they are putting a dictator into office by their willingness to elect Trump. and they choose to do just that to stay in control. This is the only threat in my lifetime on overthrowing our country and it's democracy. Remember if Trump loses or if Trump is backed into a corner he will ask the MAGA;s to kill for him and they will.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The 14th applies just like Article II applies.

Accrding to YOU:
Actually the constitution doesn't give a minimum age to RUN for president, only a minimum age to exercise the powers of the president

Do I need to explain to you how this applies here, or do you see how you make my argument for me?

 

[meaner gene]

if the state does not count and record legal votes, the state has violated the rights of the voters of the state.

The states write their election laws according to both constitutions. If their law says they don't count write-in votes, they don't count write-in votes. If their law says that only "eligible" candidates may appear on their ballots, then only "eligible" candidates appear on the ballot.