Keeping Trump off the ballot disenfranchises NO ONE

[jbander]

Stop watching the fear porn, there was never any attempt to, "overthrow," the government.

In order to do that, all the levers of power would need to be controlled, by whomever made such an attempt, that would include the military. . . No such attempt was ever made overthrow the military, the courts, the press or the economy. NO threat of martial law, was ever at hand.

You have lost touch with reality.


I recommend turning off the propaganda.

Everyone keep in mind that these people aren't just the opposition, or the other side of the isle or people with just a different opinion, These people support a mad man who couldn't make it clearer what he will do if he is put back into office. What do you think this pile of shit will do when he loses the next election , step aside honorably ore would he do more of the same and as he put it , he loves the poorly educated people , gee I wonder why. These people by far are this country biggest threat and enemy and when asked will kill for him and he will ask them to if he is backed into a corner. Trump warns of death and destruction if found guilty of a crime. He says he can kill all his proponents while president and nothing will happen unless they can impeach him.
The total humor in this is that this guy mister beale says I'm the propagandist , Do you think This guy thinks we should vote for this criminal rapist.

 

[Phactotum]

... implicit in his claim that restricting anyone from being a candidate will disenfranchise voters...

According to Merriam-Websters and Cambridge, he is correct. When a system unfairly removed a candidate that The People were waiting to vote for then that is exactly a case of disenfranchising those voters --except for the states that have a law saying voters do NOT get to vote for candidates who represent their interests as voters MUST vote for candidates who state GOVT feel represents their interests. Which appears to be Colorado and Maine, so far.

I'm sorry, but I think everyone else here understood.

I wish I could join you on this one. But I cannot make that call, no I would not dare try to speak for what everyone else here did not or did understand.

I would be enthused if you'd stop trying to put on airs.

You have falsely accused me here. But, its cool... I think I see what is going on with your tangent, I'll play along so...

Enjoy!

Supreme Court of Colorado and the Maine Secretary of State.

Since this is a Federal issue, where you continue to cite a Federal Code within 14/3 ...can you show where 14/3 gives notice or gives list of the bodies which get to deem a candidate as an insurrectionist??
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Can you show anything in 14/3 that can be interpreted as any Supreme Court of State or any Sec'y of State, can deem a candidate as an insurrectionist?

The USMB rules say that we shouldn't tell people to go look things up themselves but I think there is really also an unwritten rule that you shouldn't demand OP look things up that are widely available and easily found.

I cannot make that call, to determine what some other human should feel is easy or hard to find. I especially cannot make that call, where I see a human publicly say they searched for info and could not find it. If I do that, then I am part of the problem.

There is a difference between duly or unduly affecting the choices available to a voter and removing the ability to cast any vote at all. That was the intent of my first line - the universality of choice. We don't get to cast a valid vote for anyone we want to. We only get to cast votes for candidates that are deemed to have met the Constitution's qualifications. Removing Trump from the ballot disenfranchises no one.

If you can acknowledge that the spirit of the Laws, is for us to vote for candidates who represent our interests then it is illogical that a universality of choice should mean... states get to say, vote for who all we make available to you ---excluding those who qualified under the Constitution but we did not want them listed on the ballot.

 

[BS Filter]

Everyone keep in mind that these people aren't just the opposition, or the other side of the isle or people with just a different opinion, These people support a mad man who couldn't make it clearer what he will do if he is put back into office. What do you think this pile of shit will do when he loses the next election , step aside honorably ore would he do more of the same and as he put it , he loves the poorly educated people , gee I wonder why. These people by far are this country biggest threat and enemy and when asked will kill for him and he will ask them to if he is backed into a corner. Trump warns of death and destruction if found guilty of a crime. He says he can kill all his proponents while president and nothing will happen unless they can impeach him.
The total humor in this is that this guy mister beale says I'm the propagandist , Do you think This guy thinks we should vote for this criminal rapist.

Please stop, you're scaring the children.

 

[jbander]

The little bitty part you overlooked was those people who were part of the Confederacy participated in a declared insurrection by congress and Lincoln.
So the 14th directly applies to them.
I can't find anything on a declared insurrection by congress or Biden....legal opinions don't count.

Interesting question. Where do you live?

One of the rules here is that people can't threaten other people. No implied threat of violence the rule says. . So board of directors how should we interpret this.

 

[MisterBeale]

I saw all this stuff posted and thought there'd be some real meat and potatoes to get into. But there wasn't.

Naturally. Yaor logic is so much more airtight than a Harvard Law professor.

 

[Crick]

Newsflash, nobody cares what you think.

Yet you think I should care about YOURS???

 

[jbander]

What does the constitution say that disqualifies Trump, and what evidence, besides feelings, is there to support the language?

Doesn't the constitution say something about not being able to elect people who are just piles of shit and nothing else.

 

[Crick]

You have no argument.

I made my argument in the OP. In many pages of responding posts, no one has yet to challenge it.

 

[Crick]

What law did he break?

He has been charged with breaking several but innocent till proven guilty. The 14th Amendment, however, does not require a conviction.

 

[BS Filter]

I made my argument in the OP. In many pages of responding posts, no one has yet to challenge it.

There was no insurrection on Jan 6th. Trump never declared that he was overthrowing the country. However, he did say the it was a peaceful and patriotic protest. You know, like BLM.

 

[Crick]

/——/ Not a fantasy. You clowns are scared shytless.

We won the last election by seven million votes. I'm quite confident that Biden will be reelected. Trump, after all, was an absolutely abysmal president. Think of the things Biden can remind us of. Bleach for COVID, buying Greenland, his failure to replace Obamacare, throwing paper towels to the victims of Hurricane Maria, causing the longest government shutdown in US history in order to accomplish absolutely nothing, pushing through another republican tax cut for the wealthy that accomplishes nothing but cutting taxes for the wealthy, the Sharpie modified hurricane map, infecting half his cabinet with COVID by prohibiting masks in meetings and events, taking the claims of Vladmir Putin over the combined conclusions of his entire intelligence apparatus, his love letter relationship with Kim Jong Un, "person, woman man, camera, tv", windmills cause cancer, flushing classified documents down the toilet, claiming people have to flush their toilets ten times, hanging with Kanye West, hanging with Kanye West and Nick Fuentes, calling military veterans and fallen soldiers suckers and losers, "I'm a very stable genius", raking forests to prevent fires, stopping hurricanes with nuclear weapons... should I continue?

 

[BS Filter]

He has been charged with breaking several but innocent till proven guilty. The 14th Amendment, however, does not require a conviction.

Who determines when a demonstration is an insurrection or a protest?

 

[BS Filter]

We won the last election by seven million votes. I'm quite confident that Biden will be reelected. Trump, after all, was an absolutely abysmal president.

Trump wasn't as bad as Biden. Biden is in cognitive decline. You can see that, can't you?

 

[meaner gene]

I made my argument in the OP. In many pages of responding posts, no one has yet to challenge it.

One of the opposing arguments is that congress has to weigh in on disqualifying someone. First this is ridiculous from the sheer number of offices in the country they would have to weigh in on (over 10,000), or the number of people they would meed to hold hearings on.
And most importantly, the schizophrenic idea of congress having to disqualify someone by a majority vote, and then the power to remove that disqualification by a 2/3rds vote of both houses.
Since that makes no sense, congresses role is singular.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Our choices for the presidency are not universal. There are millions of Americans, billions of people, for whom the US Constitution will not allow anyone to vote. We cannot vote for anyone under 35. We cannot vote for anyone who is not a naturalized citizen. We cannot vote for anyone that hasn't been a US resident for at least 14 years. And we cannot vote for anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the US Constitution and then been involved in an insurrection against the US government.

Your statement, above, and thus your premise, is false..
We have the - absolute right - to vote for whomever we want; the states are charged with ensuing that right is protected.

The 14:3 divisibility you cite prohibits someone from taking office.
It does not apply to running for office.
it does not apply to winning an election for office.
Only taking office.
As such, the states do not have standing under 14:3 to remove him from their ballots, as the 14th Amendment does not yet apply.

If he is elected and takes office, someone will sue in federal court, and, eventually, the USSC will decide if he is disqualified under the 14th Amendment.
If so, then he will be removed, and the VP will take over.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We won the last election by seven million votes.

38 votes.

 

[Independent thinker]

I bet you make a fortune in the stock market.

And my butt feels just fine.

Ummmmmmmmmmm, these betting odds have nothing to do with the stock market. But, it does go to show that those who have millions or billions at stake, are betting the odds are that Trump will win in 2024. They make the odds so they can't lose. They are the professionals and betting professionals who make the odds, pick Trump to win.

 

[Rawley]

We won the last election by seven million votes. I'm quite confident that Biden will be reelected. Trump, after all, was an absolutely abysmal president.

No you didn't. You won it by 48,000 votes, spread over three states. You hate Trump, we understand. That's no reason to disenfranchise the 75 million of us that support him.

 

[MisterBeale]

Removal from the ballot does NOT require a conviction.

This, of course, is your emotionally driven opinion. It is going to the SCOTUS to sort out.

What the **** might be "the supposed establishment/left leaning paper of record"? And why mention it without a link?

The NYT, the Wall Street Journal, and WaPo, are generally considered teh "papers of record," among the ruling elite, scholarly academics, and business professionals. You already addressed the quoted Harvard Law professor from the NYT post, and implied that your opinion was to be thought more compelling than his learned opinion. There isn't much more to discuss.

Jesus, you take the ******* cake. You want me to thank you for something you claim you did some other time, some other place, talking to someone else about some other topic? Well thank the holy **** out of you!!!

 

[Cellblock2429]

We won the last election by seven million votes. I'm quite confident that Biden will be reelected. Trump, after all, was an absolutely abysmal president.

/——/ 7 million votes and yet Dementia Joes approvals are swirling down the toilet. Not even you are dumb enough to believe that he got 81 million legit votes.