NATO AIR
Senior Member
WOWi never thought i'd see the day. nearly every political idiot i know, whether they love him or hate him, both fears and respects karl rove like no other political operative. rove knows how to run a campaign, a presidency,i mean the guy is a no joke frigging demagogue of politics right now. he was until now, the teflon campaign manager, no mistake could stick to him, no egg ever got on his face. now he's allowed two serious miscues in less than 48 hours that have my kerry supporter friends howling in delight and anticipation. as a bush voter, i want damage control... fast!
alright, a lot of folks on the board were howling about kerry and NYT/CBS making up that explosives story (i even jumped on the bandwagon and condemned them for trying to lie to the american people). turns out they may be right... and karl rove hitched the white house to the initial NBC report supporting the white house side.... now that report has been margainalized by new revelations from NBC/MSNBC, CBS and people on the ground in the military.
My whole point here is not to argue with what happened there, we don't know yet. I think I jumped the gun on this, there is a lot more to this story than was revealed yesterday on USMB.
My point is this: What was Karl Rove smoking when he pinned the admin's whole defense on this issue on a lone NBC news story from a year ago? This is not like him at all, its far too risky and it blew up in the admin's face now, because all sorts of "revelations" and "new evidence" is showing up. The only person here I believe wholeheartedly is the CO of the 101st interviewed by CBS, he's military and I'll go with what he said until he recants or changes it for whatever reason.
Now, even better, Bush, whose running on getting his conservative, religious right base out to vote, has been putting heavy emphasis on banning gay marriage through a constitutional amendment. A lot of the supporters of this idea (i oppose it) also dont' believe in civil unions and most of them just plain don't like homos Guess what Bush says on Good Morning America in an interview aired Tuesday?
i personally am glad the president feels this way, but i'm pretty sure a significant amount of his "base" isn't happy with this at all.
Again, what the hell is Karl Rove smoking allowing this a few days before the election? wow, i can't believe this is happening now.
alright, a lot of folks on the board were howling about kerry and NYT/CBS making up that explosives story (i even jumped on the bandwagon and condemned them for trying to lie to the american people). turns out they may be right... and karl rove hitched the white house to the initial NBC report supporting the white house side.... now that report has been margainalized by new revelations from NBC/MSNBC, CBS and people on the ground in the military.
My whole point here is not to argue with what happened there, we don't know yet. I think I jumped the gun on this, there is a lot more to this story than was revealed yesterday on USMB.
My point is this: What was Karl Rove smoking when he pinned the admin's whole defense on this issue on a lone NBC news story from a year ago? This is not like him at all, its far too risky and it blew up in the admin's face now, because all sorts of "revelations" and "new evidence" is showing up. The only person here I believe wholeheartedly is the CO of the 101st interviewed by CBS, he's military and I'll go with what he said until he recants or changes it for whatever reason.
NBC Embedded Reporter: No Signs Soldiers Searched Site
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/26/iraq.weapons.nbc.ap/index.html
There wasn't a search," she told MSNBC, an NBC cable news channel. "The mission that the brigade had was to get to Baghdad. That was more of a pit stop there for us. And, you know, the searching, I mean certainly some of the soldiers head off on their own, looked through the bunkers just to look at the vast amount of ordnance lying around
Unit Commander Tells CBS His GI's Didn't Hunt Explosives, They Were In A Fight
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/25/iraq/main651082.shtml
"Our focus was killing bad guys," he continued, adding that he would have needed four times as many troops to search and secure all the ammo dumps his troops came across during the push into Iraq.
Tom Brokaw Says NBC Simply Reported That The 101st Did Not Find Them
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/27/politics/campaign/27kerry.html?oref=login
Last night on this broadcast we reported that the 101st Airborne never found the nearly 380 tons of HMX and RDX explosives,'' Tom Brokaw, the NBC anchor, said. "We did not conclude the explosives were missing or had vanished, nor did we say they missed the explosives. We simply reported that the 101st did not find them.''
"For its part, the Bush campaign immediately pointed to our report as conclusive proof that the weapons had been removed before the Americans arrived,'' Mr. Brokaw added. "That is possible, but that is not what we reported.''
Now, even better, Bush, whose running on getting his conservative, religious right base out to vote, has been putting heavy emphasis on banning gay marriage through a constitutional amendment. A lot of the supporters of this idea (i oppose it) also dont' believe in civil unions and most of them just plain don't like homos Guess what Bush says on Good Morning America in an interview aired Tuesday?
President Bush's tolerance of state-sanctioned civil unions between gay people - laws that would grant same-sex partners most or all the rights available to married couples.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/10020205.htm?1c
Bush Stance on Civil Unions Upsets Groups
SCOTT LINDLAW
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Some conservative groups expressed dismay Tuesday over President Bush's tolerance of state-sanctioned civil unions between gay people - laws that would grant same-sex partners most or all the rights available to married couples.
"I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so," Bush said in an interview aired Tuesday on ABC. Bush acknowledged that his position put him at odds with the Republican platform, which opposes civil unions.
"I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights," said Bush, who has pressed for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. "States ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry backs civil unions for gay couples, too. He opposes gay marriage but also opposes the idea of a constitutional ban.
Some conservative organizations sharply disagreed with Bush and pressed him to seek a constitutional amendment that would ban both gay marriage and civil unions.
"Civil unions are a government endorsement of homosexuality," said Robert Knight, director of the Culture and Family Institute, an affiliate of Concerned Women For America. "But I don't think President Bush has thought about it in that way. He seems to be striving for neutrality while defending marriage itself."
Knight said "counterfeits" of marriage, such as civil unions, "hurt the real thing."
The head of another group, the Campaign for California Families, said it, too, wants a sweeping constitutional amendment that bars civil unions and same-sex marriage.
"Here's the truth, civil unions are homosexual marriage by another name," said Randy Thomasson, the group's executive director. "Civil unions rob marriage of its uniqueness and award homosexuals all the rights of marriage available under state law."
"Bush needs to understand what's going on and resist counterfeit marriages with all his might no matter what they're called," Thomasson said.
But Matt Daniel, the leader of a coalition that successfully pressed for legislation that would create the constitutional ban on gay marriage, said Bush had staked out just the right position.
A federal ban on gay marriage, not on civil unions, "is the way for America to resolve this in the fairest way, the best way," said Daniel, president of the Alliance for Marriage. "We do indeed support the president's position."
i personally am glad the president feels this way, but i'm pretty sure a significant amount of his "base" isn't happy with this at all.
Again, what the hell is Karl Rove smoking allowing this a few days before the election? wow, i can't believe this is happening now.