Judge rules pro-HAMAS foreigner can be deported for undermining U.S. policy

[irosie91]

That has nothing to do with what equal protection means.




If you are charged with a crime that could lead to imprisonment and can’t afford a lawyer, then yes.


Of course not. At that point you, or the university, or the landowner would have a right to evict the protesters depending on their degree of tolerance for the protests.

OH---can I join a crowd that blocks traffic in a city? Can I deliver
speeches that incite violence upon people---men women and children
in a city?

 

[Coyote]

OH---can I join a crowd that blocks traffic in a city?

Depends on the city’s tolerance.

Can I deliver
speeches that incite violence upon people---men women and children
in a city?

Nope, that is against the law and not protected speech.

 

[irosie91]

Depends on the city’s tolerance.


Nope, that is against the law and not protected speech.

oh----well----there is lots of INCITED VIOLENCE in my city----
City's tolerance? what does that mean.

 

[Crepitus]

In my opinion it is effectively genocide at this point, and there are certainly war crimes at the very least.

The aim is complete destruction of the Palestinian people and liquidation of the Palestinian cause under a thin veneer of fighting Hamas. Those in power do not even care about the hostages, if they ever did…they are just pawns to support the larger agenda.

It is interesting that the countries they are trying to expel the Palestinians to…Congo, Sudan, Somalia, are themselves extremely impoverished and conflict ridden.

• Speaking in in the Knesset last month, Smotrich spoke in vivid terms about the timeline for expelling the entire population of Gaza. "If we take out 10,000 a day it will take six months. If we take out 5,000 a day it will take a year," he said.

They have also stated if a deal isn’t reached by Trump’s visit they will occupy and flatten all of Gaza.

And people support this.

Terrifying, isn't it?

 

[Sayaras]

Terrifying, isn't it?

PallyWeid

 

[Sayaras]

Islamic caliphate...

Um, okay. Whose fault is that?

Who says Fatah is much better? One look at their words and action in Palestinian Media Watch - A window to Palestinian society | PMW ... And of course Yusuf will demonize any olive branch to Gazans as supposed anti Fatah pro Hamas.
And of course YUSUF Joeb131 will not blame giving Gush Katif to the "Palestinians" in 2005 for the rise of Hamas.

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Look at Hamas' celebration of Gush Katif giveaway, weeks before its Oct/7 atrocities

"Hamas: Withdrawal from Gush Katif was a turning point."
Sep 12, 2023 —

Hamas: Withdrawal from Gush Katif was a turning point

A Hamas newspaper published an interview reviews the organization's advancements since Israel left Gush Katif.

www.israelnationalnews.com

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Debunking the claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel.

Debunking the claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel

www.jpost.com

 

[otto105]

No, but who attacked Israel? Hamas, right? Then Israel retaliates and now you have anti Israel protests; but it's not their fault that hamas is using Palestinians as human shields. So they attack Israel for retaliating, thus giving hamas a pass

If irsrael put all their artillery banks in population centers and hamas killed Israeli citizens, would you be condemning Israel or hamas? Recent history tells me you'd be criticizing Israel for putting people in the path of danger. So the Palestinian protests are really pro hamas protests because they are protecting hamas by decrying Israel for defending itself..

Nothing is that black and white.

Under that scenario it would be acceptable for the Israel to create camps to kill all Palestinians?

Under that scenario we should have killed all the people of Germany for the actions of its rulers.

Right

 

[irosie91]

In my opinion it is effectively genocide at this point, and there are certainly war crimes at the very least.

The aim is complete destruction of the Palestinian people and liquidation of the Palestinian cause under a thin veneer of fighting Hamas. Those in power do not even care about the hostages, if they ever did…they are just pawns to support the larger agenda.

It is interesting that the countries they are trying to expel the Palestinians to…Congo, Sudan, Somalia, are themselves extremely impoverished and conflict ridden.

• Speaking in in the Knesset last month, Smotrich spoke in vivid terms about the timeline for expelling the entire population of Gaza. "If we take out 10,000 a day it will take six months. If we take out 5,000 a day it will take a year," he said.

They have also stated if a deal isn’t reached by Trump’s visit they will occupy and flatten all of Gaza.

And people support this.

What are the war crimes? What is the 'Palestinian cause"? Whose pawns are the hostages?
It is news to me that any one is being transported to Congo, Sudan or Somalia. Who spoke of
flattening ALL OF WHAT?

 

[irosie91]

Nothing is that black and white.

Under that scenario it would be acceptable for the Israel to create camps to kill all Palestinians?

Under that scenario we should have killed all the people of Germany for the actions of its rulers.

Right

you have no reason to respond with "camps" and a scenario of the annihilation of
all Germans.. Your response makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE

 

[otto105]

you have no reason to respond with "camps" and a scenario of the annihilation of
all Germans.. Your response makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE

It’s a black and white response to the posters post.

 

[DBA]

Um, because our policy is shit?

The thing about college students is that they are in that rare bit of development where they realize something is fucked up, but haven't become cynical enough yet to accept it.

That's why College kids look at the Genocide in Gaza or an unjust war in Vietnam and protest it.

If you think the problem is a few foreign students in the thousands who are protesting genocide, then you are missing the point, as usual.

No, college kids are still very pliable. They are 18-22 year olds. They believe what their liberal, nut job professors tell them. Some never learn to think on their own, thus why we have so many indoctrinated, er, I mean, educated Americans who have such a skewed view of their own country. The truly intelligent ones grow up and out of it. The rest are like you. Sorry, but the truth hurts.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Hamas is not committing genocide. It is committing terrorism. They have neither the power nor capability to commit genocide however much they may want to. Israel however does have both the power and capability.

.hamas is committing genocide by placing their armaments inside civilian structures. Israel has a right to retaliate, it's not their fault that hamas is taking such a barbaric approach.

What, you think that israel should just do nothing? You all blame israel...you should be blaming hamas.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Nothing is that black and white.

Under that scenario it would be acceptable for the Israel to create camps to kill all Palestinians?

Under that scenario we should have killed all the people of Germany for the actions of its rulers.

Right

That's not it at all. Israel isn't trying to kill Palestinians, they are trying to attack hamas equipment, which they barbarically placed in Palestinian civilian populated areas.

Under your scenario, israel does nothing, and hamas says "well shit, that worked out pretty good, I think we'll do this again"

 

[otto105]

That's not it at all. Israel isn't trying to kill Palestinians, they are trying to attack hamas equipment, which they barbarically placed in Palestinian civilian populated areas.

Under your scenario, israel does nothing, and hamas says "well shit, that worked out pretty good, I think we'll do this again"

What kind of stupid do you operate under.

 

[JoeB131]

Lisa’s bigotry aside, this is not the right argument. Hamas’ side includes horrific attacks on Israeli civilians, the murder, torture and incarceration of their own people in order to squash dissent. Hamas has a long history of this. They can’t be legitimized.

We've legitimized worse governments, even propped them up. The problem is, Hamas would probably win an election pretty easily. While Fatah was sucking up to Israel and stealing aid provided by the west hand over fist, Hamas was providing social services and support. The last legitimate election in the Palestinian territories was in 2006, which Hamas won easily.

What American’s need to be allowed to hear are honest appeals to end this war, something that could have been done by now, with hostages released, if Netanyahu hadn’t needed a forever war for his political survival and a far-right extremist religious coalition intent on exterminating or expelling the inhabitants of Gaza and settling it with their Zionist settlers in a form of “manifest destiny”.

Given the stranglehold that AIPAC has on both political parties, that is fairly unlikely.

Ya, I don’t get the point of her comparison either, it is one she uses often. False moral equivalence.

Maybe she really liked those pancakes?

That’s a bit complicated. Israeli’s are a mix of indiginous Jews and Jews who have immigrated over generations. They’ve established their nation, they are Israeli’s, this their land too. Likewise, Palestinians aren’t some pure indiginous ethnic group but a composite of native people, including the Bedouin, and others who immigrated from nearby areas such as Egypt, for work.

I'm not sure I buy that. Very few Jews lived in Palestine before the British took it over from the Ottomans. Most of them are European settlers. Name any prominent Israeli politician since 1948; you will find someone who was either born in Europe or whose parents were.

And here's the problem: Israel is a colonial state, probably the last one. What they practice is a form of apartheid, because if they were an egalitarian state, there wouldn't be an Israel.

How are you going divide everyone up and where are you going to send them? And…why is this demand not being made of other countries with multiple ethnic immigrant groups?

Well, to start with, those other countries aren't being subsidized by the US Taxpayer the way Israel is.

Strongly disagree. There wasn’t an initial “theft of Palestinian land”. There was the messy legacy of colonial empires and various nationalist groups vying for the same bit of land. Ultimately, Israel fought for and won its state along with the other Arab countries created through the dissolution of the mandate. Borders were never settled or agreed upon and the Palestinians were both screwed and screwed themselves.

Oh, I agree the Palestinians screwed themselves by trusting the British. They and every other Arab nation should have heeded the Sultan's call for Jihad in 1914. Instead, they believe the British when they told them they'd get their own countries, only to have the Brits turn around and try to dump Europe's Jews into the place (colonialism by proxy).

The only solutions that would be just imo…would be either two states or a semi-autonomous region under Israeli sovereignty with full Israeli citizenship rights.

The problem with any single state solution is that there are more Palestinians than Israelis. (If you count the occupied territories, those living in Israel proper, and refugees living outside Palestine).

That leaves a two-state option, but that's equally unacceptable to the Palestinians because it would mean accepting the theft (and yes, it was theft) of their land to start with.

Lisa considers dissent to be anti-semitism. In her view, that is sufficient reason to secretly cancel visas, kidnap people off the streets and throw them in prison. No crimes committed, no access to lawyers or family. Disappeared right here in America.

Yes, that is pretty horrible. "It's okay when we do it" is never a good look.

 

[JoeB131]

Who says Fatah is much better? One look at their words and action in Palestinian Media Watch - A window to Palestinian society | PMW ... And of course Yusuf will demonize any olive branch to Gazans as supposed anti Fatah pro Hamas.
And of course YUSUF Joeb131 will not blame giving Gush Katif to the "Palestinians" in 2005 for the rise of Hamas.

Oh, Fatah has completely sold out for Western aid, which is why no one takes it seriously anymore.

No, college kids are still very pliable. They are 18-22 year olds. They believe what their liberal, nut job professors tell them. Some never learn to think on their own, thus why we have so many indoctrinated, er, I mean, educated Americans who have such a skewed view of their own country. The truly intelligent ones grow up and out of it. The rest are like you. Sorry, but the truth hurts.

Yes, the truly smart ones are the uneducated white trash who live in trailer parks flying the Confederate Flag because they love America so much.

Fuck off and Die, Cleetus.

 

[DBA]

Yes, the truly smart ones are the uneducated white trash who live in trailer parks flying the Confederate Flag because they love America so much.

No, the truly smart ones are those that can think for themselves following their indoctrination in the educational system.

Fuck off and Die, Cleetus.

Classy

 

[Marener]

No, the truly smart ones are those that can think for themselves following their indoctrination in the educational system.

Or the indoctrination of the right wing media echo chamber.

 

[DBA]

Or the indoctrination of the right wing media echo chamber.

What is more likely, being indoctrinated by 12 years of public education, followed by 4+ years of college and the mainstream media, which is the majority of the media, or a cable news outlet? Yeah, you know the answer.

 

[Marener]

What is more likely, being indoctrinated by 12 years of public education, followed by 4+ years of college and the mainstream media, which is the majority of the media, or a cable news outlet? Yeah, you know the answer.

It was enough to indoctrinate you, so maybe tell us how it happened.