Judge rules pro-HAMAS foreigner can be deported for undermining U.S. policy

You went full Communist after that....seems legit

Hardly. I'm all for commerce. I own two businesses.

What I'm not thrilled with is what has happened since the 1980's, where Republicans have repeatedly undermined unions, worker's rights, etc. to benefit the investor class over the working class.
 
By "Thinking for yourself" you mean, "repeating what you heard on Hate Radio and their Corporate Sponsors like you had an original idea."

Not at all. I mean not regurgitating what 90% of professors tell you is correct. We aren’t talking about math here, we are talking about politically motivated opinions that professors, most of which have never left the friendly confines of school, attempt to pass of as fact.

I went to Catholic Schools for 12 years, and was pretty conservative in college and the time after that when I was active duty military.

As Christians go in the US, white, non-Hispanic Catholics, in general, are the most liberal and least religious(weird I know) so maybe you were a Conservative light. You are too far left on social issues for me to believe that you were actually a Conservative. Heck, you aren’t even Catholic. You are self-professed atheist.

What changed my mind was getting out of the military and working for private corporations and seeing what life was like when you let the investor class run roughshod over the working class.

Like I said, if you were a Conservative, that belief was clearly hanging by a thin thread. What likely changed you was you realized that it is much easier to be a Democrat and an atheist because you don’t have to answer to anybody or any higher being or feel guilty about doing anything. Frankly, that is why most people are Democrats. It gives them the freedom to be immoral, or at least they think it does. It is like being lazy and eating all the bad stuff you want without gaining a pound or being unhealthy. Most people would sign up for that, but it isn’t reality and people who do that will ultimately pay the price.
 
Hardly. I'm all for commerce. I own two businesses.

What I'm not thrilled with is what has happened since the 1980's, where Republicans have repeatedly undermined unions, worker's rights, etc. to benefit the investor class over the working class.

You are in the minority. The vast majority of small business owners are Republican because many of them realize that they may not be in business under Democratic leadership. Why would they vote or higher corporate taxes, for example? Why would they vote to allow their employees to form a union and fleece them for more than they are worth?
 
Not at all. I mean not regurgitating what 90% of professors tell you is correct. We aren’t talking about math here, we are talking about politically motivated opinions that professors, most of which have never left the friendly confines of school, attempt to pass of as fact.

As Christians go in the US, white, non-Hispanic Catholics, in general, are the most liberal and least religious(weird I know) so maybe you were a Conservative light. You are too far left on social issues for me to believe that you were actually a Conservative. Heck, you aren’t even Catholic. You are self-professed atheist.

I stopped being Catholic because I realized that there wasn't a magic man in the sky. I realized this after my mother got sick, and despite everyone in the parish praying for her, she died anyway. (She was a beloved art teacher in the parish.)

Now, here's the thing. Catholics of my parents' day tended to be socially conservative and economically liberal. Which means before the hippies took over the Democratic Party in 1972, they voted overwhelmingly Democratic. Today's Catholics treat the Pope like a crazy uncle at Thanksgiving. Let him rant, and get on with your life in the real world where you eat meat on Fridays and use birth control.


Like I said, if you were a Conservative, that belief was clearly hanging by a thin thread. What likely changed you was you realized that it is much easier to be a Democrat and an atheist because you don’t have to answer to anybody or any higher being or feel guilty about doing anything. Frankly, that is why most people are Democrats. It gives them the freedom to be immoral, or at least they think it does. It is like being lazy and eating all the bad stuff you want without gaining a pound or being unhealthy. Most people would sign up for that, but it isn’t reality and people who do that will ultimately pay the price.

Oh, I freely admit, I never subscribed to the racism and homophobia that the GOP uses to get people in Jesusland to vote against their own economic interests. I just realized the rest of it was all bullshit, too. I recognized that "morality" is just a bunch of prudes terrified that someone out there might be enjoying themselves.

Frankly, a God that would make someone gay and then burn him in hell for being gay isn't worth anyone's reverence. That's not a loving father, that's a fucking Batman Villian.

No, guy, what changed me, the key point, was after devoting six years to a company, not taking better paying jobs for years out of loyalty, and they totally screwed me anyway when things got tough.


You are in the minority. The vast majority of small business owners are Republican because many of them realize that they may not be in business under Democratic leadership. Why would they vote or higher corporate taxes, for example? Why would they vote to allow their employees to form a union and fleece them for more than they are worth?

Henry Ford once said, "If my employees can't afford to buy my products, I don't have a business!"

Of course, if the one-percenters weren't so fucking greedy, they'd realize that the best thing for them would be a viable working class.

But instead of blaming rich people like Trump who moved your job to China, you blame the Chinese for taking those jobs, and no doubt, you've heard things about sideways who-has!!!
 
He did more to undermine America than the "Maryland Dad"
That’s true, but we can’t deport him. We can however imprison him due to treason. He actively worked to enable the illegal alien invasion over the southern border.
 
I went to Catholic Schools for 12 years, and was pretty conservative in college and the time after that when I was active duty military.

What changed my mind was getting out of the military and working for private corporations and seeing what life was like when you let the investor class run roughshod over the working class.
A tale of going from the good to the dark side.

You love to discuss the poor. Why are they poor? What they do wrong to remain poor and as you say, get poorer? What efforts do the poor do to stay poor?

First the rich are our nation's heroes. They took risk. They hire workers. They provide food, housing, like giving things to those who will work for the rich. They are the life rafts of the poor. If the nation lost the rich, this nation would be like living in Congo is.
 
No, really they can't. If Israel's goal was to kill all Palestinians(whatever they are), they could have done so the day after 10/6. They wouldn't be telling them where to go to be safe from bombing. Again, common sense. Arguing that it is a genocide is intellectually void, but it is in vogue in left-wing circles.



Are you asking how allowing people into the country to attend our colleges, live here and spread anti-US, pro terrorists sentiment and antisemitism is a danger to our country? Seriously? These people become professors who teach this to college students. Maybe you weren't aware that Iran sponsors many of these students. That is per Biden's national security advisor, John Kirby. You don't believe Iran is trying to harm us by doing this? Even if all are not sponsored by Iran, they are on the same side of the argument and are doing the bidding of Iran even if they don't realize it. Also, keep in mind, that many are influenced by the Iranian sponsored protests. That isn't helpful in any way.

The Iranian authorities are financing and encouraging some of the protests taking place in the United States, said John Kirby, Strategic Communications Coordinator at the White House National Security Council, UNN reports . According to him, Tehran wants to “sow discord” in American society.

White House accuses Iran of funding protests in the US | УНН
Iran watched the Democrats in the USA take over, 1.Teaching, 2. Media, 3. Government, 4. Cities, 5. States, 6. Unions, and said why not we do to the democrats what Democrats did to the USA. Iran mimics Democrats.
 
Hardly. I'm all for commerce. I own two businesses.
Aha , you hate yourself. You hate the rich. Here you are with two businesses trying to do what? Get rich and be hated.
 
Robert W
There is a lot to unpack here, but let’s start with Constitutional rights. It isn’t about defending aliens, it is about defending fundamental rights that apply to everyone on American soil:

Free speech
Legal representation
Equal protection

Either the president follows the law or the president makes the law. The latter is authoritarian.
Should those right apply to people who are not in the country legally or violate the terms of their visas? In my opinion, no. A lesser level of rights, mostly that they can not be abused should apply. At most a very short interview with a low-level immigration official where the potential deportee can offer an explanation to mitigate deportation, then if not accepted, immediate deportation. Visa applicants should be forced to place the costs of repatriation in an escrow account before the visa is issued.
 
You consider any expression of support for the Palestinians to be “Violence” against Jews.

You constantly and consistently conflate support for the human rights of Palestinians and opposition to Israel’s war in Gaza to be support for pro-Hamas.

So your solution is to suppress any criticism of Israel.
The Palestinians constantly advocate for the expulsion or downright extermination of the Jews. That makes each and every person supporting the Palestinians a supporter of terrorism and genocide. The Palestinians aren’t shy about openly advocating for murder and genocide.
 
Supporting the Palestinian right to exist is anti-semitic terrorist propaganda.
I support Israel's RIGHT TO EXIST.

I've chosen a side. I side with Israel.

From the River to the Sea can Kiss My Infidel Ass.

They started this war.
 
I agree, but you all seem to be decrying genocide only for the Israelis. You do realize that hamas attacked Israel, right? What about decrying that?
It’s not just Hamas, the Muslims have been attacking Israel ever since the day the UN created Israel. The only reason the various Muslim nations aren’t doing it openly today is the fact that Israel has nukes and if defeated will destroy every Muslim city as it is exterminated by the invaders. When the Israeli’s say “never again” they mean it.
 
You take any opinion that is pro Palestinian and turn it into supporting Hamas.
Hamas is the freely elected government of Gaza and today, even after two years of destruction, over eighty percent of Gazans support Hamas and its actions. Hamas and Gaza are synonymous.
 
The Palestinians constantly advocate for the expulsion or downright extermination of the Jews. That makes each and every person supporting the Palestinians a supporter of terrorism and genocide. The Palestinians aren’t shy about openly advocating for murder and genocide.
Exactly. Why does Coyote expect me to support people who want to wipe Israel out to sea and kill every last Jew?

These leftists expect Jews to support people who want them dead.
 
In my opinion it is effectively genocide at this point, and there are certainly war crimes at the very least.

The aim is complete destruction of the Palestinian people and liquidation of the Palestinian cause under a thin veneer of fighting Hamas. Those in power do not even care about the hostages, if they ever did…they are just pawns to support the larger agenda.

It is interesting that the countries they are trying to expel the Palestinians to…Congo, Sudan, Somalia, are themselves extremely impoverished and conflict ridden.

  • Speaking in in the Knesset last month, Smotrich spoke in vivid terms about the timeline for expelling the entire population of Gaza. "If we take out 10,000 a day it will take six months. If we take out 5,000 a day it will take a year," he said.
They have also stated if a deal isn’t reached by Trump’s visit they will occupy and flatten all of Gaza.

And people support this.
It is even more interesting that none of the countries surrounding Israel are willing to accept Palestinian refugees. That is because they have all learned from harsh experience that the so-called Palestinians are violent nutcases who bring violence and destruction wherever they go, The Gazans are Egyptians, Gaza was part of Egypt for thousands of years and Egypt refused to accept Gaza back when Israel freely returned the entire Sinai to Egypt.
 
Hamas is not committing genocide. It is committing terrorism. They have neither the power nor capability to commit genocide however much they may want to. Israel however does have both the power and capability.
The only reason Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t committing genocide is they lack the means. They openly advocate genocide of the Jews and commit retail murder as often a possible. They aren’t committing terrorism because their aims aren’t political, they are committing murder, in the case of 10/7, mass murder and torture.
 
Lisa’s bigotry aside, this is not the right argument. Hamas’ side includes horrific attacks on Israeli civilians, the murder, torture and incarceration of their own people in order to squash dissent. Hamas has a long history of this. They can’t be legitimized.

What American’s need to be allowed to hear are honest appeals to end this war, something that could have been done by now, with hostages released, if Netanyahu hadn’t needed a forever war for his political survival and a far-right extremist religious coalition intent on exterminating or expelling the inhabitants of Gaza and settling it with their Zionist settlers in a form of “manifest destiny”.





Ya, I don’t get the point of her comparison either, it is one she uses often. False moral equivalence.




That’s a bit complicated. Israeli’s are a mix of indiginous Jews and Jews who have immigrated over generations. They’ve established their nation, they are Israeli’s, this their land too. Likewise, Palestinians aren’t some pure indiginous ethnic group but a composite of native people, including the Bedouin, and others who immigrated from nearby areas such as Egypt, for work.

How are you going divide everyone up and where are you going to send them? And…why is this demand not being made of other countries with multiple ethnic immigrant groups?





Strongly disagree. There wasn’t an initial “theft of Palestinian land”. There was the messy legacy of colonial empires and various nationalist groups vying for the same bit of land. Ultimately, Israel fought for and won its state along with the other Arab countries created through the dissolution of the mandate. Borders were never settled or agreed upon and the Palestinians were both screwed and screwed themselves.

The only solutions that would be just imo…would be either two states or a semi-autonomous region under Israeli sovereignty with full Israeli citizenship rights.



Lisa considers dissent to be anti-semitism. In her view, that is sufficient reason to secretly cancel visas, kidnap people off the streets and throw them in prison. No crimes committed, no access to lawyers or family. Disappeared right here in America.
The two state solution would be ideal. Unfortunately neither Gaza or the West Bank are willing to accept it. It was been offered before and refused before. Hamas and Hezbollah are only willing to accept a one state solution that is Juden frei to use the old German phrase.
 
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Nothing is that black and white.

Under that scenario it would be acceptable for the Israel to create camps to kill all Palestinians?

Under that scenario we should have killed all the people of Germany for the actions of its rulers.

Right
What is your solution for a group that teaches its children that the most admirable thing they can do is to murder a Jew or other enemy of Allah?
 
So now you're defending hate speech?
The problem is with Lefties, agenda means they keep flip flopping and they forever trip themselves up. With trying to protect illegals, no one is above the law has gone out of the window and they're now interested in free speech after suppressing Twitter and Facebook.
 

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