Judge blocks Trumps EO to end birthright citizenship

[Care4all]

I believe that Trump fully well anticipated that some knee jerk lib judge would try to label the EO “unconstitutional.”

And I also believe it will soon end up in the SCOTUS.

Although there are arguments to be made on both sides of the matter, and the ultimate determination isn’t assured, it is certainly a very real possibility that “birthright citizenship” for babies born here to illegal aliens is going to get shut down.

Conservative judge.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Conservative judge.

Yep, appointed by Ronald Reagan too.

 

[WorldWatcher]

WorldWatcher and Slade3200 are refusing to consider Founder intent which is what most believe compels the opinions of this 6/3 Trump court.
If they wrap those pesky six words with intent they’d know 14:1 as we practice it goes buh-bye

No, what's happening is you are attempting to use an fallacy called "Appeal to authority" by attempting to invoke the "Founders".

The fact remains that when the Constitution was written there were no "illegal aliens" and jus soli was (and still is the standard). The only ones that jus soli didn't apply to were slaves and those part of diplomatic missions.

WW

 

[22lcidw]

YOU were what about the IV Amendment?

U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

Section 1​

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".

Please note, nowhere in Section I is the citizen of parents or grandparents mentioned. You're a citizen in the country.

At some point self-preservation will take hold. What we have now is in most cases Progressive Socialist City States in control of their entire state dictating their agendas to them and within D.C. their surrogates to us all nationally. We need to refill the cup of wealth for the citizens and give time for those who came here recently to assimilate. We are not doing this as there are too many to do so.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Hey America haters….Want to really piss your pants?
What happens if the high court renders a retroactive ruling?

I wouldn’t put it past the Supreme Court to side with Trump on this.

Doesn’t bother me either way.

 

[IM2]

Hey America haters….Want to really piss your pants?
What happens if the high court renders a retroactive ruling?

It won't. But if it does, you will have to leave.

 

[Rawley]

The question is, why were the middle 6 words inserted into an otherwise clear amendment?

to exclude the children of aliens, temporary, illegal or diplomatic.

 

[Stann]

Here we go…this will now get interesting as this issue works its way to the high court.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/trump-birthright-citizenship-judge-blocked

It's about time. Obviously unconstitutional. And another big lie by trump , he said we are the only nation that does this. 30 countries around the world do this , including Canada and Mexico.

 

[BackAgain]

An amendment, once ratified, becomes part of the Constitution. Good God Almighty, the ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.

The amendment IS PART OF the Constitution. That is so obvious that even Winky gets that much.

But what the Amendment actually means may not be always clear.

With the Trump EO, it has been clarified. Of course, that EO is now subject, itself, to further analysis in our Courts.

 

[Rawley]

The court will say that it's unconstitutional. We don't change the Constitution, we only uphold it. An amendment is what you're seeking. We don't do those here either.

It's a correction to an erroneous interpretation of the Constitution. Like Brown v Board of Ed.

 

[BackAgain]

Conservative judge.

Dubious.

 

[Man With A Plan]

This is an unconstitutional order that should get should should really not even be heard by the Supreme court. But if they end it, Trumps children will have to become naturalized.

That's stupid even for you, IM2!

 

[Care4all]

It has never actually been adjudicated.

The first part is clear
The last part is clear.

The question is, why were the middle 6 words inserted into an otherwise clear amendment?

The SCOTUS will eventually have to decide that point.

It has been adjudicated, on several occasions....

8 FAM 102.3 SUPREME COURT DECISIONS

 

[Slade3200]

Just so we know we can take all the woke white guilt purple hair clowns seriously can you link us to your previous posts showing that you denounced the Kenyan’s executive action / creation of DACA?

Is this thread about me and whether I’m a hypocrite or not?? I think not. You’re derailing. Plus I could play the same game and ask to see a post of you defending Obama’s executive actions like you’re doing here. It’s a waste of time. Stick to the topic at hand

 

[Slade3200]

It has never actually been adjudicated.

The first part is clear
The last part is clear.

The question is, why were the middle 6 words inserted into an otherwise clear amendment?

The SCOTUS will eventually have to decide that point.

Why not just amend it legislatively? Clear things up

 

[Care4all]

The question is, why were the middle 6 words inserted into an otherwise clear amendment?

Look it up. Do your own research. They were included to make it CLEAR that all persons born on our soil, including those of foreigners, subject to our laws, under our jurisdiction, were citizens. This argument was made and debated at the time of the proposed amendment....and all persons, including foreign aliens, subject to our jurisdiction, WON the argument.

 

[Slade3200]

WorldWatcher and Slade3200 are refusing to consider Founder intent which is what most believe compels the opinions of this 6/3 Trump court.
If they wrap those pesky six words with intent they’d know 14:1 as we practice it goes buh-bye

What does your distorted brain think the founders intent was?

 

[Slade3200]

Hey America haters….Want to really piss your pants?
What happens if the high court renders a retroactive ruling?

Then that’s the law. What does you mean “what happens?”

 

[BackAgain]

That's stupid even for you, IM2!

Wow. That’s some kind of stupid, then.

 

[Rawley]

The Founders recognized jus soli (birth of the land) citizenship with the exception being those not under Jurisdiction of the United States.

Well, Senator Howard, who actually drafted the Citizenship clause disagrees.

"[E]very person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person."