Zone1 Jon Stewart questions the transgender protections in Arkansas

[Bob Blaylock]

True. Anyone can make objective observations and demonstrate them to others. It's telling that you can't.

Any sane person can clearly see and understand the differences between men and women, and why these differences are important.

It's telling that you can't.

It's telling that you allow “experts” to tell you absurd lies, that you could easily see to be bullshit if you only dared to trust what you can directly see and observe.

 

[Curried Goats]

Any sane person can clearly see and understand the differences between men and women, and why these differences are important.

It's telling that you can't.

It's telling that you allow “experts” to tell you absurd lies, that you could easily see to be bullshit if you only dared to trust what you can directly see and observe.

I clearly see people who suffer from gender dysphoria and I can clearly see that their mental health and risk to suicide is lowered when they receive gender affirming care as teenagers.

 

[Couchpotato]

I clearly see people who suffer from gender dysphoria and I can clearly see that their mental health and risk to suicide is lowered when they receive gender affirming care as teenagers.

Please cite a single study that bears that out. Seriously. If we are going to irrevocably alter a minors body in this way we need something other than your word for it.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A long-term follow-up study of mortality in transsexuals receiving treatment with cross-sex hormones

Objective Adverse effects of long-term cross-sex hormone administration to transsexuals are not well documented. We assessed mortality rates in transsexual subjects receiving long-term cross-sex hormones. Design A cohort study with a median follow-up of 18.5 years at a university gender clinic...

eje.bioscientifica.com

 

[martybegan]

So you claim..... without evidence.

No evidence needed to counter junk science.

 

[martybegan]

I clearly see people who suffer from gender dysphoria and I can clearly see that their mental health and risk to suicide is lowered when they receive gender affirming care as teenagers.

It's not clear at all. Actual Gender dysphoria is a small % of these cases, most of it is other mental issues being pidgeonholed into the new boutique mental illness.

That and the fetishists jumping onto the bandwagon.

 

[Curried Goats]

Please cite a single study that bears that out. Seriously. If we are going to irrevocably alter a minors body in this way we need something other than your word for it.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden - PMC

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A long-term follow-up study of mortality in transsexuals receiving treatment with cross-sex hormones

Objective Adverse effects of long-term cross-sex hormone administration to transsexuals are not well documented. We assessed mortality rates in transsexual subjects receiving long-term cross-sex hormones. Design A cohort study with a median follow-up of 18.5 years at a university gender clinic...

eje.bioscientifica.com

Did you read the conclusions of those studies you cited? They are as follows:

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

And...

The increased mortality in hormone-treated MtF transsexuals was mainly due to non-hormone-related causes, but ethinyl estradiol may increase the risk of cardiovascular death.

Also they're a bit older. Here's a more recent one that seems to show that people who received hormone blockers and treatments as teenagers have significantly lower risk for suicide than adults who were denied blockers and hormone treatments.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

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The study’s lead author, Dr. Jack Turban, a resident psychiatrist at the Harvard Medical School, said the findings add to the “growing evidence base suggesting that gender-affirming medical care for transgender youth is associated with superior mental health outcomes in adulthood.”

“It certainly argues against the misguided notion that gender-affirming care is inherently harmful and should be legislatively banned,” Turban said in a statement, referring to a number of recently introduced state bills seeking to limit transition-related care for minors.

The study surveyed 20,619 transgender people and found that 90 percent of trans adults who wanted, but could not access, puberty blockers experienced suicidal thoughts. For transgender adults who had been able to access puberty blockers, it was a significantly lower 75 percent.

 

[Curried Goats]

It's not clear at all. Actual Gender dysphoria is a small % of these cases, most of it is other mental issues being pidgeonholed into the new boutique mental illness.

That and the fetishists jumping onto the bandwagon.

Not according to anything you've provided.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No evidence needed to counter junk science.

Indeed.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

The entire body of “transgender” bullshit is built on extraordinary claim for which not even an ordinary level of evidence exists, and which, is solidly refuted by all credible objective evidence.

“Transgenderism” is somewhere near the far boundaries between pseudoscience and plain old bullshit.

 

[Couchpotato]

Did you read the conclusions of those studies you cited? They are as follows:

And...

Also they're a bit older. Here's a more recent one that seems to show that people who received hormone blockers and treatments as teenagers have significantly lower risk for suicide than adults who were denied blockers and hormone treatments.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

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The study’s lead author, Dr. Jack Turban, a resident psychiatrist at the Harvard Medical School, said the findings add to the “growing evidence base suggesting that gender-affirming medical care for transgender youth is associated with superior mental health outcomes in adulthood.”

“It certainly argues against the misguided notion that gender-affirming care is inherently harmful and should be legislatively banned,” Turban said in a statement, referring to a number of recently introduced state bills seeking to limit transition-related care for minors.

The study surveyed 20,619 transgender people and found that 90 percent of trans adults who wanted, but could not access, puberty blockers experienced suicidal thoughts. For transgender adults who had been able to access puberty blockers, it was a significantly lower 75 percent.

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"Conclusions​

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

Here's an idea maybe and Im just spit balling here. Maybe the issue was a psychiatric problem to begin with which is why their suicide rates go up after surgery instead of down. Maybe using a physical cure for a mental disorder isn't such a good idea after all. If someone walked into a doctor's office and said they believed their left hand was an alien hand and wanted it chopped off, no one would entertain that request. How is the situation vis a vis transgenderism and it's "treatment" fundamentally different? Hell if they said they just wanted the very end of their pinky cut off a doctor wouldnt do it. But a 15 y/o wants to hack off his dick or have her tits cut out, let's get an OR booked. It's lunacy.

Oh and why is this only a problem in "1st world" countries? Why arent teenagers killing themselves at the cyclic rate in the Muslim world. They are certainly far less tolerant of this then the west is.

 

[Curried Goats]

"Conclusions​

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

Here's an idea maybe and Im just spit balling here. Maybe the issue was a psychiatric problem to begin with which is why their suicide rates go up after surgery instead of down. Maybe using a physical cure for a mental disorder isn't such a good idea after all.

Maybe isn't an argument. It's just you pretending as if you have an answer that you don't. Your own study says it alleviates the feeling of gender dysphoria.

If someone walked into a doctor's office and said they believed their left hand was an alien hand and wanted it chopped off, no one would entertain that request. How is the situation vis a vis transgenderism and it's "treatment" fundamentally different? Hell if they said they just wanted the very end of their pinky cut off a doctor wouldnt do it. But a 15 y/o wants to hack off his dick or have her tits cut out, let's get an OR booked. It's lunacy.

I don't know of any cases of people genuinely having alien body parts, the study you yourself cited doesn't says gender dysphoria isn't real, in fact it says gender affirming care alleviates the feeling of dysphoria.

Oh and why is this only a problem in "1st world" countries? Why arent teenagers killing themselves at the cyclic rate in the Muslim world. They are certainly far less tolerant of this then the west is.

Why don't you try answering your own questions and then we can evaluate whether or not your argument holds water.

 

[Couchpotato]

Maybe isn't an argument. It's just you pretending as if you have an answer that you don't. Your own study says it alleviates the feeling of gender dysphoria.

The maybe was facetious but you knew that already.

I don't know of any cases of people genuinely having alien body parts, the study you yourself cited doesn't says gender dysphoria isn't real, in fact it says gender affirming care alleviates the feeling of dysphoria.

Do you actually believe that if someone walked into their doctors office and said they had an alien hand they would treat them the same way as someone who said they have gender dysphoria? And hack off their hand? Really?

Why don't you try answering your own questions and then we can evaluate whether or not your argument holds water.

And you didn’t answer why this only seems to be a problem in western developed countries. And only seems to be rearing it’s ugly head over the last few years. We should be seeing a dramatic down turn in teenage suicides since we are finally treating a major driver of them correctly, shouldn’t we? Weird that suicide rates are going up and have been since before COVID.

 

[Curried Goats]

The maybe was facetious but you knew that already.

Do you actually believe that if someone walked into their doctors office and said they had an alien hand they would treat them the same way as someone who said they have gender dysphoria? And hack off their hand? Really?

And you didn’t answer why this only seems to be a problem in western developed countries.

You didn't provide any evidence that this is actually the case.

And only seems to be rearing it’s ugly head over the last few years.

One of the studies you cited started back in 2001. That's over 20 years ago.

We should be seeing a dramatic down turn in teenage suicides since we are finally treating a major driver of them correctly, shouldn’t we? Weird that suicide rates are going up and have been since before COVID.

That's exactly what my link shows.

 

[Couchpotato]

You didn't provide any evidence that this is actually the case.

Evidence that a doctor wont remove your hand if you think it’s an alien hand?

One of the studies you cited started back in 2001. That's over 20 years ago.

How long do you think a long term study on this subject should be?

That's exactly what my link shows.

QuickStats: Suicide Rates for Teens Aged 15–19 Years, by Sex — United

The suicide rate for males aged 15–19 years increased from 12.0 to 18.1 per 100,000 population from 1975 to 1990, declined to 10.8 by 2007, and then increased 31% to 14.2 by 2015. The rate in 2015 for

www.cdc.gov

showed what that suicide rates in teens is dropping? not according to the CDC.

 

[Curried Goats]

Evidence that a doctor wont remove your hand if you think it’s an alien hand?

That gender dysphoria is only a problem in America.

How long do you think a long term study on this subject should be?

I was questioning your accusation this was a recent phenomenon only occuring in the last few years.

QuickStats: Suicide Rates for Teens Aged 15–19 Years, by Sex — United

The suicide rate for males aged 15–19 years increased from 12.0 to 18.1 per 100,000 population from 1975 to 1990, declined to 10.8 by 2007, and then increased 31% to 14.2 by 2015. The rate in 2015 for

www.cdc.gov

showed what that suicide rates in teens is dropping? not according to the CDC.

That's the suicide rate for teens in general, not trans individuals.

You don't seem confident in these arguments with all the ducking and dodging you're doing.

 

[martybegan]

Not according to anything you've provided.

Whatever your "experts" provide is absolute crap.

Just look up stories from detransitioners.

The premise of the left is you have to 100% accept a kid saying they are trans, or they will kill themselves. The problem is peer pressure. when you make something like this an auto accept, and heap concern on them, and make them a class, you get people advertising it and pushing it.

Is it acceptable to ruin 20 kids lives with hormones and drugs and surgery to save 1 kids life (maybe) via suicide?

 

[Curried Goats]

Whatever your "experts" provide is absolute crap.

Just look up stories from detransitioners.

Not that we needed it but this is a wonderful insight into how your thought process works. Scientific studies... absolute crap, camp fire stories on the internet though, that's where the real truth is...

The premise of the left is you have to 100% accept a kid saying they are trans, or they will kill themselves.

Wrong.

The problem is peer pressure. when you make something like this an auto accept, and heap concern on them, and make them a class, you get people advertising it and pushing it.

Is it acceptable to ruin 20 kids lives with hormones and drugs and surgery to save 1 kids life (maybe) via suicide?

98% via a recent study went on to continue treatment as adults with a 75% reduction in suicide among those who received gender affirming care as teenagers. Those numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The premise of the left is you have to 100% accept a kid saying they are trans, or they will kill themselves. The problem is peer pressure. when you make something like this an auto accept, and heap concern on them, and make them a class, you get people advertising it and pushing it.

Is it acceptable to ruin 20 kids lives with hormones and drugs and surgery to save 1 kids life (maybe) via suicide?

You're arguing with someone who thinks that it is OK that thousands of children are murdered while they are still in the womb.

What's a few more young people, tortured and mutilated before they die?

 

[martybegan]

Not that we needed it but this is a wonderful insight into how your thought process works. Scientific studies... absolute crap, camp fire stories on the internet though, that's where the real truth is...

Wrong.

98% via a recent study went on to continue treatment as adults with a 75% reduction in suicide among those who received gender affirming care as teenagers. Those numbers speak for themselves.

Made up studies are still made up.

This is a losing issue for SJW's and yet they are still in Don Quixote mode over it.

 

[martybegan]

You're arguing with someone who thinks that it is OK that thousands of children are murdered while they are still in the womb.

What's a few more young people, tortured and mutilated before they die?

This seems to be the only issue he cares about. Every post he brings up the same tired studies, claiming they are about "science" when they are really about made up statistics.

 

[Curried Goats]

Made up studies are still made up.

This is a losing issue for SJW's and yet they are still in Don Quixote mode over it.

Where are we losing? In your fantasy game? Gender affirming care is the standard for treating gender dysphoria.