Jew vs. Athiest : Christians Judge

[Dr Grump]

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

If there is one thing athiests definitely ARE, it's rational...thus their belief in the first place

ridiculous....they claim it is wrong to believe something that cannot be proven and then turn around and claim something which cannot be proven....do you consider that rational?.......

I can't prove there's no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny, but I'm pretty sure they are a figment of someone's fertile imagination...

 

[Dr Grump]

...it is the fact that atheists pretend their faith choices are rational conclusions is what identifies them as irrational......

On the contrary, us athiests have utilised the same rational assertions that scientists give when putting together a thesis or theory. There is no rational explanation for a god or gods or whatever. Just belief. Saying that those who don't believe in something because it is not tangible is a frivolous and anemic argument IMO. It gives you an out for your own irrational belief in a diety.

 

[HUGGY]

Most atheists claim that they don't believe in gods. Tell me, do you claim that there is no invisible purple elephant living in your dresser drawer?

Misdirection is not an efficient way to advance a conversation. It even takes a backseat to atheists who make the mistake and take the tack of people believing in a God who sends plagues and natural disasters to wipe out innocent children.

To hear someone say, "I don't believe in God because I don't believe in the invisible purple elephant living in my dresser drawer," is comparable to hearing "I don't believe in marriage because dinosaurs once walked on the moon."

There are, in fact, good and intelligent reasons for not believing in God. Purple elephants don't happen to fall into the intelligent reasoning category. It's senseless. Try, "I don't believe in God, because I can't make any sense of God."

I am turning Postmodernproph's argument back on him and showing how flawed it is. It's not misdirection or a reason for atheism. Please follow the whole conversation. He also takes a non belief as a belief.

that is not my argument, therefore you have not turned it back on me......my response is I do not choose to believe in invisible purple elephants (I won't bother going into the obvious irrational contradiction of postulating something that is simultaneously invisible AND purple).......unlike atheists, I don't pretend my faith choices are based upon logical premises.....they are precisely what they are - faith choices........it is the fact that atheists pretend their faith choices are rational conclusions is what identifies them as irrational......

So you have fully committed to your faith and dug yourself a deep hole. Now all you see around you is dirt. You ASSUME atheists are digging a similar hole and all they see is dirt also. I can understand the reason for your lack of vision.

Atheists are in fact NOT digging themselves holes to bury themselves in. They look at the world as best they can to make rational choices without hiding in holes or creating obstructions to their vision.

It is harder being an atheist in that there are no social networking or like minded groups to fall back on as we make our way through life. We do not have millions of built in customers or clients. Our work must stand on it's own just like our thoughts. We do all this without faith in anything but our own ability and trust in the friends we have earned. If we succeed or lose at the end of each day we have only ourselves or those that have assisted or harmed our progress to judge. If we are not honest in judging our lives as we go we will fail.

An atheist does not have a "reboot" of confession to vacate failure. In this we have to be good to succeed.

Most atheists view religion as mass psychological disease. If you suggest that I have an equal psychological disease because I only believe in myself then I think you are weak and a fool attempting to transfer your weakness upon me.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Misdirection is not an efficient way to advance a conversation. It even takes a backseat to atheists who make the mistake and take the tack of people believing in a God who sends plagues and natural disasters to wipe out innocent children.

To hear someone say, "I don't believe in God because I don't believe in the invisible purple elephant living in my dresser drawer," is comparable to hearing "I don't believe in marriage because dinosaurs once walked on the moon."

There are, in fact, good and intelligent reasons for not believing in God. Purple elephants don't happen to fall into the intelligent reasoning category. It's senseless. Try, "I don't believe in God, because I can't make any sense of God."

I am turning Postmodernproph's argument back on him and showing how flawed it is. It's not misdirection or a reason for atheism. Please follow the whole conversation. He also takes a non belief as a belief.

that is not my argument, therefore you have not turned it back on me......my response is I do not choose to believe in invisible purple elephants (I won't bother going into the obvious irrational contradiction of postulating something that is simultaneously invisible AND purple).......unlike atheists, I don't pretend my faith choices are based upon logical premises.....they are precisely what they are - faith choices........it is the fact that atheists pretend their faith choices are rational conclusions is what identifies them as irrational......

Rejecting irrational claims/assertions of magic and supernaturalism agents not at all irrational. Belief in a 6,000 year old earth, talking snakes, men rising from the dead, etc., umm yes, very rational.

pretending I believe in a 6000 year old earth is irrational......yet you do it all the time.......

Do you deny evolution? Why? What's your theory? Did a god plant 1 seed for every species of fish bird dinosaur mammal reptile plant tree flower?

hey dumbfuck.....do you pretend that everyone who doesn't believe that the first life crawled out of a mud puddle struck by lightning thinks the world is 6000 years old?.......Hollie does......

and you know perfectly well what my belief is regarding evolution.....we have argued it many times since I came here......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Most atheists claim that they don't believe in gods. Tell me, do you claim that there is no invisible purple elephant living in your dresser drawer?

Misdirection is not an efficient way to advance a conversation. It even takes a backseat to atheists who make the mistake and take the tack of people believing in a God who sends plagues and natural disasters to wipe out innocent children.

To hear someone say, "I don't believe in God because I don't believe in the invisible purple elephant living in my dresser drawer," is comparable to hearing "I don't believe in marriage because dinosaurs once walked on the moon."

There are, in fact, good and intelligent reasons for not believing in God. Purple elephants don't happen to fall into the intelligent reasoning category. It's senseless. Try, "I don't believe in God, because I can't make any sense of God."

I am turning Postmodernproph's argument back on him and showing how flawed it is. It's not misdirection or a reason for atheism. Please follow the whole conversation. He also takes a non belief as a belief.

that is not my argument, therefore you have not turned it back on me......my response is I do not choose to believe in invisible purple elephants (I won't bother going into the obvious irrational contradiction of postulating something that is simultaneously invisible AND purple).......unlike atheists, I don't pretend my faith choices are based upon logical premises.....they are precisely what they are - faith choices........it is the fact that atheists pretend their faith choices are rational conclusions is what identifies them as irrational......

So you have fully committed to your faith and dug yourself a deep hole. Now all you see around you is dirt. You ASSUME atheists are digging a similar hole and all they see is dirt also. I can understand the reason for your lack of vision.

not at all......I am much more certain that atheists see nothing except dirt than that there are no invisible purple elephants.......

Our work must stand on it's own just like our thoughts.

hence, the hole.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Yes a very small percent of christians understood slavery was wrong. Most didn't care.

dude, you aren't even satisfied with picking cherries......now you are drawing pictures of imaginary cherries and picking those......

 

[PostmodernProph]

It degenerates into this or something similar: "I don't believe God would torture good people in hell for an eternity because they are not of a specific faith. Therefore, I do not believe in God."

Wouldn't a more logical statement be, "God is loving and forgiving, therefore I don't believe He tortures anyone for an eternity."

Putting on my anti-theist hat for this one. What we know about god is written in the bible. Yes people claim that he is a loving and forgiving god but what is written about him in the bible is the complete opposite.

only if you ignore most of it.....

 

[Lipush]

I like Jews...in fact, some of my best friends are Jews but we have to remember that they are a very small minority in this country and they are wielding entirely too much power for their small numbers. They seem to bring trouble onto themselves by being so vocal, so 'in your face'.

gotohell

Why? What have I said that is upsetting?

Your false accusation that Jews have too much power. That is what is upsetting.
It is the far left in this country that has too much power for their small numbers. They are 20% of this nation yet the run everything in this country.

neurotically phobic persons are hypervigilant. I am neurotically
afraid of dogs------and small running creatures (like THOSE DAMN RATS)
I tend to see them in every moving shadow in dim light. Bodec sees jews

Not at all...as I said, I have friends who are Jews....I love jews...but they are a very small minority....about 2% and they certainly make an inordinate amount of noise of their rights, their wants, etc. Why can't they just live their lives without all the fanfare and in your face? Asking that question is not hate.

Jews have a lot of power because they educate their kids to know that you worth nothing if you don't achieve academic education, which is why you also find Jews in "power" positions.

Most Jews live their lives in peace and quiet, it's either the media or hateful people who look for reason to blacklight them.

 

[PostmodernProph]

What you're not addressing is that religious belief carries with it a whole host of threats that have eternal consequences. Religions create a number of genuinely unsolvable dilemmas. The ideology/dogma purports that there is a source material that lays out the belief system. The ideology/dogma claims this source material has a level of functionality that supports that belief system as well.

The major Christian denominations (i.e., the vast majority) do not threaten other faiths (or atheists) with hell. They simply entrust those with different beliefs (or no belief) to a loving and merciful God. The majority of Jews do not even believe in hell.

It is not reasonable to go in search of a minority, splintered denomination and then broad brush the majority with minority practices and beliefs.

The foundation of Judaism and Christianity is that God loves each individual and that we are called to love God and our fellow human beings. Christianity teaches that our sins are forgiven--and that we are called to forgive our fellow humans. Orthodox Jews strive to remember/bring God's presence into every aspect of every day life.

This is a very simple foundation, and we all fall into the trap of complicating it. It starts with two simple questions? How do we love God? How do we love our fellow man? In giving sincere examples, the ancient Jews provided 613 laws. Now consider those 613 laws each prompting another question which prompted another 613 example.... As you can see, loving God, and loving and forgiving one's fellow man quickly became complicated.

It degenerates into this or something similar: "I don't believe God would torture good people in hell for an eternity because they are not of a specific faith. Therefore, I do not believe in God."

Wouldn't a more logical statement be, "God is loving and forgiving, therefore I don't believe He tortures anyone for an eternity."

Have you ever actually read any of the bibles? Your promotion of loving gawds is in contrast the serial mass murder carried out by those gawds.

I think a "logical" statement, (and I use that term with more than just a bit of trepidation), is that you have chosen to neuter the gawds To Najee them fit your personal version of pick and choose theism.

Back when I first started questioning they told me to read the bible so I did and I had a lot of problems with it. Then they told me to read just the thing Jesus said so I read the red letter bible and to be honest Jesus didn't say a lot of dicky things. Except for the only through me can you enter the kingdom of heaven thing. Then I decided he probably didn't say that, the corrupt churches wrote that to get people hooked. It took me awhile to realize even god is made up. But I'm there now thank god.

thank who?.....

 

[irosie91]

jews held positions of some influence in the medieval world because they
knew how to read and write during a time when the people really controlling
things------to wit Muslims and Christians-----were illiterate. -----Nazis scum
are those who never got over it

 

[PostmodernProph]

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

If there is one thing athiests definitely ARE, it's rational...thus their belief in the first place

ridiculous....they claim it is wrong to believe something that cannot be proven and then turn around and claim something which cannot be proven....do you consider that rational?.......

I can't prove there's no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny, but I'm pretty sure they are a figment of someone's fertile imagination...

thus proving that you have chosen what to believe......you cannot prove it.......atheists ought to consider you irrational......you believe something that cannot be proven.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

...it is the fact that atheists pretend their faith choices are rational conclusions is what identifies them as irrational......

On the contrary, us athiests have utilised the same rational assertions that scientists give when putting together a thesis or theory. There is no rational explanation for a god or gods or whatever. Just belief. Saying that those who don't believe in something because it is not tangible is a frivolous and anemic argument IMO. It gives you an out for your own irrational belief in a diety.

you see, this is what makes you irrational.......you think that choosing to believe something to exist when it cannot be proven is irrational, but think that choosing to believe something does not exist when it cannot be proved is science.....

 

[BluePhantom]

Yes a very small percent of christians understood slavery was wrong. Most didn't care.

Dude that is such BS. Just because a person claims to be a part of a given faith doesn't mean they actually follow it. Islamic terrorists aren't following their faith. They are using it to justify their personal extremist agenda. People who owned saves in the United States were not following the teachings of Jesus, they were using religion to justify their actions. Sure religion can be used to manipulate people. So can Cosmopolitan magazine, MSNBC, Fox News, Family Guy, and talk radio. But that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. You can keep the baby....just change the water.

What reasons do you believe a god exists created the planet or cares about you?

Wow that was a major change of topic. Well my reasons have to do with the manner in which I see God, which is dramatically different than the traditional view. In fact, most traditional Christians listen to my understanding of God and think I have lost my marbles. The specifics on how I view things is a thread unto itself, but VERY briefly I do not see God as an omnipotent heavenly force that looks upon us and makes determinations about right and wrong. I believe heaven is an absolute realm were, once we die, we reunite with God (if we choose). However, all matter in this universe is also God but are simply individual aspects of Him in the relative realm. This includes us, BTW. I usually refer to this as being like 'cells in the animal'. So from my perspective, it is not whether there is a God. There is nothing BUT God.

As far as hell, it's not cherry picking as you teased prior. It's two things that have caused me to abandon the concept of hell. 1) Through research I recognize that hell was a concept made up by the Church to get people to do what the Church wanted them to do. It was never part of the original concept. 2) If my concept of God is correct, then hell makes no sense at all because it would amount to God sending Himself to hell. This would defeat the entire purpose of why I believe God created the universe to begin with (which again is another thread unto itself).

So think of the way I see things as Christianity with little smatterings of Hindu, Taoism, and Confucius, plus some m-theory tossed in to really make things as confusing as possible.

 

[BluePhantom]

Have you ever actually read any of the bibles?

Not only read them, but read them in conjunction with the history, culture, and religion of those times. Sometimes to truly understand, we have to set aside the way our own time and culture has us thinking--and make the effort to walk in the shoes of those who lived in those times. Their thoughts were not our thoughts--and our thoughts are not their thoughts. In reading authors of earlier times we have to remain cognizant of:

1) Who was the author?
2) Who was his audience?
3) What is the message the author was presenting to that specific audience of that particular time?

BING BING BING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! Scholars refer to this as 'sitz im Leben' (literally 'setting in life'). The idea is that a concept, lesson....whatever cannot be correctly interpreted without putting it in the setting in which it was offered in order to identify the perspective of the times. For example, it would be a mistake to read the Apocalypse and try to put it into the perspective of the 21st century. You have to read it from the perspective of someone in the 1st century, taking into consideration the traditions, current events, linguistics, target audience, and social climate of THAT time. There are LOTS of concepts common to all religions today that are false understandings because the reader is ignoring the sitz im leben in which something was written.

 

[RandomVariable]

I normally would not recount such experiences but sometimes these events are meant for more than just the one(s) who witness them. I am also lending a hand to those fighting the good fight on this thread.

Wednesday, after finishing an errand, I decided that I would finally go take a walk in the park I had not done yet this year. I checked Google maps for a green patch which signifies a public area. I found one only a couple of miles out of my way. It was called Memorial Park. When I get there it turns out it is more Memorial than Park. It was a cemetery. I figured, what the heck, there might be some memorial type area where I can have my coffee and do a little reading. I drive around some and find nothing. As I am making my last pass through I see a large American flag flying a couple sections away. I drive over and find it is a section dedicated to Jewish veterans. So I figure, why not? In the center there is a circler area with a few stone steps on the perimeter and some stone benches in the center. As odd as this was all getting this seemed to be the place. So I grabbed my morning coffee and with my pocket KJV in, well, my pocket. I settled onto the bench facing the sun. After pouring a cup of coffee from my Thermos I randomly open to where King David escapes Saul by fleeing into Palestine. I read that for a chapter or two then I randomly turn to another discussion of King David. I figured it must be Kind David morning. Somewhere in here I asked God why in the world does he have me in a Jewish veteran section of a cemetery reading about King David. I walked around a little I am still scratching my head as to why it is that I am there. (Oh, if anyone knows what the two open hands with the palms facing out and the finger open in the middle mean I would really like to know.) I figure some things I will just never know. That I had done whatever it was that was right was enough.

So yesterday, Thursday, I am watching a YouTube video while eating lunch an something is mentioned which made me exclaim, "Are you serious!?", I think I phrased it a little differently however. As some here are probably already aware, it turns out in less than two hours from the time I was sitting on the bench drinking coffee and reading of King David it would be the start of Holocaust Remembrance Day in Israel. Events of a certain day usually start the evening before, which was 8:00 PM Wednesday, Israel time.

Now some here would say this is not evidence of God. That it is merely an elaborate set of coincidences. A prophet, whose middle name just happened to be Elijah, put out a video stating that God would do all he could to gather all his lost sheep. This is one of those attempts. Please do not let your pride just blow it off.

 

[Penelope]

Why do Christians get mad at us athiests for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with christians. Why is that? As an athiest I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and athiests believe about christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

Just focus on the similarities between Jews and athiests. Forget the differences please. A christian can walk up to an athiest and Jew and both of us are not buying any of it.

So it really shouldnt offend christians when us athiests say exactly what a Jew believes.

We just have the balls to say it. And we dont have to worry about christians calling out our stories of god because we dont have any. I know this is why Jews just keep quiet about christianity because Jews told the original lies. The reasons they use against christianity could be used against their faith too. People think I pick on christians but honestly their stories are the most believable of all the unbelievable stories.

Also, christianity can't call bs on the Jewish faith because they are a spinoff.

Christianity is more believable? So a guy got scourged and nailed to a post for saying how great it would be if people were nice to each other for a change, he dies, and three days later he is walking around again like nothing happened? THAT'S more believable? Wow...you give more credit than I do. I am a Christian but at least I admit that is about the most insane story I have ever heard.

you should try reading the book. Jesus did not get crucified for saying that people
should be nice to each other. He got crucified for sedition. Romans did not
crucify people for much else---<<<<<that's history. One of his big crimes was
the attack on the money changers in the Temple Courtyard----that was an attack on
ROMAN INTERESTS <<<more history. John the Baptist is a bit of a mystery---
he seems to be something like an essene-----which was a defiance against the roman order and plan for Israel/Judea-----it was from those desert outpost
communities that the plans for rebellion against Rome were hatched----Herod
had that guy chopped for some sort of a reason. Herod depended on the Romans
for his continued "king-ship"-----the jews did not consider him a legal king <<<history

The Pharisee and Sadducees had a good thing going so they got the romans to kill him.

 

[peach174]

Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

 

[irosie91]

What you're not addressing is that religious belief carries with it a whole host of threats that have eternal consequences. Religions create a number of genuinely unsolvable dilemmas. The ideology/dogma purports that there is a source material that lays out the belief system. The ideology/dogma claims this source materia

Why do Christians get mad at us athiests for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with christians. Why is that? As an athiest I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and athiests believe about christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

Just focus on the similarities between Jews and athiests. Forget the differences please. A christian can walk up to an athiest and Jew and both of us are not buying any of it.

So it really shouldnt offend christians when us athiests say exactly what a Jew believes.

We just have the balls to say it. And we dont have to worry about christians calling out our stories of god because we dont have any. I know this is why Jews just keep quiet about christianity because Jews told the original lies. The reasons they use against christianity could be used against their faith too. People think I pick on christians but honestly their stories are the most believable of all the unbelievable stories.

Also, christianity can't call bs on the Jewish faith because they are a spinoff.

Christianity is more believable? So a guy got scourged and nailed to a post for saying how great it would be if people were nice to each other for a change, he dies, and three days later he is walking around again like nothing happened? THAT'S more believable? Wow...you give more credit than I do. I am a Christian but at least I admit that is about the most insane story I have ever heard.

you should try reading the book. Jesus did not get crucified for saying that people
should be nice to each other. He got crucified for sedition. Romans did not
crucify people for much else---<<<<<that's history. One of his big crimes was
the attack on the money changers in the Temple Courtyard----that was an attack on
ROMAN INTERESTS <<<more history. John the Baptist is a bit of a mystery---
he seems to be something like an essene-----which was a defiance against the roman order and plan for Israel/Judea-----it was from those desert outpost
communities that the plans for rebellion against Rome were hatched----Herod
had that guy chopped for some sort of a reason. Herod depended on the Romans
for his continued "king-ship"-----the jews did not consider him a legal king <<<history

The Pharisee and Sadducees had a good thing going so they got the romans to kill him.

l has a level of functionality that supports that belief system as well.

The major Christian denominations (i.e., the vast majority) do not threaten other faiths (or atheists) with hell. They simply entrust those with different beliefs (or no belief) to a loving and merciful God. The majority of Jews do not even believe in hell.

It is not reasonable to go in search of a minority, splintered denomination and then broad brush the majority with minority practices and beliefs.

The foundation of Judaism and Christianity is that God loves each individual and that we are called to love God and our fellow human beings. Christianity teaches that our sins are forgiven--and that we are called to forgive our fellow humans. Orthodox Jews strive to remember/bring God's presence into every aspect of every day life.

This is a very simple foundation, and we all fall into the trap of complicating it. It starts with two simple questions? How do we love God? How do we love our fellow man? In giving sincere examples, the ancient Jews provided 613 laws. Now consider those 613 laws each prompting another question which prompted another 613 example.... As you can see, loving God, and loving and forgiving one's fellow man quickly became complicated.

It degenerates into this or something similar: "I don't believe God would torture good people in hell for an eternity because they are not of a specific faith. Therefore, I do not believe in God."

Wouldn't a more logical statement be, "God is loving and forgiving, therefore I don't believe He tortures anyone for an eternity."

Have you ever actually read any of the bibles? Your promotion of loving gawds is in contrast the serial mass murder carried out by those gawds.

I think a "logical" statement, (and I use that term with more than just a bit of trepidation), is that you have chosen to neuter the gawds To Najee them fit your personal version of pick and choose theism.

Back when I first started questioning they told me to read the bible so I did and I had a lot of problems with it. Then they told me to read just the thing Jesus said so I read the red letter bible and to be honest Jesus didn't say a lot of dicky things. Except for the only through me can you enter the kingdom of heaven thing. Then I decided he probably didn't say that, the corrupt churches wrote that to get people hooked. It took me awhile to realize even god is made up. But I'm there now thank god.

thank who?.....

Why do Christians get mad at us athiests for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with christians. Why is that? As an athiest I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and athiests believe about christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

Just focus on the similarities between Jews and athiests. Forget the differences please. A christian can walk up to an athiest and Jew and both of us are not buying any of it.

So it really shouldnt offend christians when us athiests say exactly what a Jew believes.

We just have the balls to say it. And we dont have to worry about christians calling out our stories of god because we dont have any. I know this is why Jews just keep quiet about christianity because Jews told the original lies. The reasons they use against christianity could be used against their faith too. People think I pick on christians but honestly their stories are the most believable of all the unbelievable stories.

Also, christianity can't call bs on the Jewish faith because they are a spinoff.

Nope, wrong again.

Just because we believe in the Bible, doesn't mean we will follow the Jewish examples, or the examples of Muslims listed in the Bible.
Genesis 21:13I will make the son of the slave into a nation also, because he is your offspring.”
18Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

The nation of Ishmael, first born son of Abraham, brother of Isaac.

Begs the question, which came first, the Hebrew or the Muslim?

Do you realize the son of the salve was half Egyptian and half Hebrew and that there was no Muslim's back then?

he forgot----he also forgot that muhummad invented his link to Abraham
via Ishmael. Today there are ambitious people in the "Islamic world"
who invent familial links to muhummad-----it is that important in that world and
WAS also important in old Saudi Arabia "royal blood" pre islam.
Sadaam Hussein claimed to be descended from muhummad One can
also claim prestige by claiming to be a descendant of one of muhummad's
merry band of rapist/robbers It is a habit so widespread amongst muslims
that even Pakistanis do it. It is largely----BS

 

[peach174]

Why do Christians get mad at us athiests for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with christians. Why is that? As an athiest I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and athiests believe about christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

Just focus on the similarities between Jews and athiests. Forget the differences please. A christian can walk up to an athiest and Jew and both of us are not buying any of it.

So it really shouldnt offend christians when us athiests say exactly what a Jew believes.

We just have the balls to say it. And we don't have to worry about christians calling out our stories of god because we dont have any. I know this is why Jews just keep quiet about christianity because Jews told the original lies. The reasons they use against christianity could be used against their faith too. People think I pick on christians but honestly their stories are the most believable of all the unbelievable stories.

Also, christianity can't call bs on the Jewish faith because they are a spinoff.

Christianity is more believable? So a guy got scourged and nailed to a post for saying how great it would be if people were nice to each other for a change, he dies, and three days later he is walking around again like nothing happened? THAT'S more believable? Wow...you give more credit than I do. I am a Christian but at least I admit that is about the most insane story I have ever heard.

You don't believe in advanced technology?
If the people of the middle ages saw our technology of today they would call us magicians and sorcerers.
People did not believe in the virgin birth, but we can now make a virgin pregnant with our advanced technology.

 

[irosie91]

Why do Christians get mad at us athiests for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with christians. Why is that? As an athiest I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and athiests believe about christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

I suspect its because atheists are irrational.......

Just focus on the similarities between Jews and athiests. Forget the differences please. A christian can walk up to an athiest and Jew and both of us are not buying any of it.

So it really shouldnt offend christians when us athiests say exactly what a Jew believes.

We just have the balls to say it. And we dont have to worry about christians calling out our stories of god because we dont have any. I know this is why Jews just keep quiet about christianity because Jews told the original lies. The reasons they use against christianity could be used against their faith too. People think I pick on christians but honestly their stories are the most believable of all the unbelievable stories.

Also, christianity can't call bs on the Jewish faith because they are a spinoff.

Christianity is more believable? So a guy got scourged and nailed to a post for saying how great it would be if people were nice to each other for a change, he dies, and three days later he is walking around again like nothing happened? THAT'S more believable? Wow...you give more credit than I do. I am a Christian but at least I admit that is about the most insane story I have ever heard.

you should try reading the book. Jesus did not get crucified for saying that people
should be nice to each other. He got crucified for sedition. Romans did not
crucify people for much else---<<<<<that's history. One of his big crimes was
the attack on the money changers in the Temple Courtyard----that was an attack on
ROMAN INTERESTS <<<more history. John the Baptist is a bit of a mystery---
he seems to be something like an essene-----which was a defiance against the roman order and plan for Israel/Judea-----it was from those desert outpost
communities that the plans for rebellion against Rome were hatched----Herod
had that guy chopped for some sort of a reason. Herod depended on the Romans
for his continued "king-ship"-----the jews did not consider him a legal king <<<history

The Pharisee and Sadducees had a good thing going so they got the romans to kill him.

for those interested in real history as opposed to the mutterings of the spawn of
of the dungheaps of the unwashed and illiterate------the Pharisees and the Sadducees were entirely at odds with each other. -------The Pharisees considered
by the Saducees to be ROMAN SHILLS----which is, indeed, what they were.
An interesting reality is that in very conservative circles----like old fashioned
Yeshivas-----the kids read the writings of those times -----which do discuss
the hatred between the Pharisees and the Sadducess and even mention the
"EVIL" high priest roman appointee CAIAPHAS without mentioning Jesus
at all. (Caiaphas is the person mentioned as the high priest in the NT---that
handed jesus over to the romans-----I have noted over the years that islamo Nazi
sluts like to present this person as being a "hero" for jews-----he is actually
despised ------in discussions entirely unrelated to Jesus----it is hard for Penelope
of the illiterate dungheap to conceptualize actual recorded history-----she ain't
got none) I owe my knowledge of this history to eclectic reading-----I really like
reading the old stuff. Still ---the fact that a person who imagines herself as "knowing" anything at all------willing to present the Pharisees and the Sadducees
as a "together" group really boggles my mind. Today, sadducees are
no longer an extant group----either that or no one would ADMIT being descended
from any of them-----they were rejects amongst jews even way back then. There is no real history of Pharisees and Sadducees killing each other-----they simply hated
each other and the Romans liked the Sadducees