Jew vs. Athiest : Christians Judge

Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
 
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

you are really intent on revealing the fact that you know nothing other than a quick
and superficial google------which, in general, you do not quite understand anyway.
John----assuming you mean John the Baptist-----is of uncertain background as far as I know. Jesus was a Pharisee. My impression of John is that he was from
one of the SEVERAL groups of jews that developed monastic style lives out in
the desert------people like the essenes. Those desert dwellers were uniformly
troublesome to the romans as were the Pharisees -----the Sadducees dealt with the romans -----as far as the rest were concerned,, by 'sucking up'. They are no longer an extant group. The Pharisees and all the rest (probably including descendants of sadducees) morphed and melded
into DA JOOOOS of today----now you know ----do not depend on the classic
comic version of history----OR ----simply announce "I DO CLASSIC COMIC"
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.

First the people had to own the property to begin with.
Which they didn't.
2nd I was not commenting at all on the controversy over the land in Israel, I was talking about here in America.
 
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.

First the people had to own the property to begin with.
Which they didn't.
2nd I was not commenting at all on the controversy over the land in Israel, I was talking about here in America.

Oh! Now you insist that the victims didn't have or honor the thieves paperwork. How convenient! You are almost certainly living on stolen land and have benefited from the theft of these lands natural resources. Theft is theft regardless of the scale.

Christians and Jews are thieves plain and simple. BTW the Mormans are the worst religious thieving organizations of them all. That and child molesters.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

whatever you "are" huggy----one thing you are NOT is an historian. BTW--who in your view are the REAL VICTIMS?
 
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

you are really intent on revealing the fact that you know nothing other than a quick
and superficial google------which, in general, you do not quite understand anyway.
John----assuming you mean John the Baptist-----is of uncertain background as far as I know. Jesus was a Pharisee. My impression of John is that he was from
one of the SEVERAL groups of jews that developed monastic style lives out in
the desert------people like the essenes. Those desert dwellers were uniformly
troublesome to the romans as were the Pharisees -----the Sadducees dealt with the romans -----as far as the rest were concerned,, by 'sucking up'. They are no longer an extant group. The Pharisees and all the rest (probably including descendants of sadducees) morphed and melded
into DA JOOOOS of today----now you know ----do not depend on the classic
comic version of history----OR ----simply announce "I DO CLASSIC COMIC"


Just a question. Why must you constantly SHOUT? I understand that ALL-CAPS can add a little ZIP and EMPHASIS to a post every now and then, but when you OVER USE IT you tip off your opponents to your areas of SENSITIVITY and may even suggest a tendency toward EMOTIONAL EXCITABILITY!
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

whatever you "are" huggy----one thing you are NOT is an historian. BTW--who in your view are the REAL VICTIMS?

I am only concerned with my own society and what we have done and/or are continuing to do to rob other people of what was theirs. It would take many pages on this MB to fully indite the perpetrators and their heirs.

For the obvious reasons I choose to pick away at the heaping pile of instances. For my own relief of guilt I can state that my mothers father owned 5,000 acres in Kansas which he sold back to the Native Americans for a dollar.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

whatever you "are" huggy----one thing you are NOT is an historian. BTW--who in your view are the REAL VICTIMS?

I am only concerned with my own society and what we have done and/or are continuing to do to rob other people of what was theirs. It would take many pages on this MB to fully indite the perpetrators and their heirs.

For the obvious reasons I choose to pick away at the heaping pile of instances. For my own relief of guilt I can state that my mothers father owned 5,000 acres in Kansas which he sold back to the Native Americans for a dollar.

Wow that was nice of him.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

whatever you "are" huggy----one thing you are NOT is an historian. BTW--who in your view are the REAL VICTIMS?

I am only concerned with my own society and what we have done and/or are continuing to do to rob other people of what was theirs. It would take many pages on this MB to fully indite the perpetrators and their heirs.

For the obvious reasons I choose to pick away at the heaping pile of instances. For my own relief of guilt I can state that my mothers father owned 5,000 acres in Kansas which he sold back to the Native Americans for a dollar.

oh----ok I am ok I inherited no land at all. The first land anyone in my family owned -----consisted of a small house on a small plot of land ----probably something like 1/6 of an acre------purchased in a town in the USA which was peopled by
farm type persons-----pre revolutionary war-------I know of no history in that town
of wars with Indians------HOWEVER there may have been (???) My dad bought the house in the 1950s When I mention 'my family'----that includes my
known extended family------no land------not even in Europe----no land at all
for more than 1000 years. My husband originates from a middle eastern
community that resided in a country of the present day levant-----for more
than 2500 years. his family owned no land either for more than 1000 years
until his father purchased 1/4 of a dunam ---sometime in the 1940s. Is that ok.
One of his brothers did inherit it
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.

First the people had to own the property to begin with.
Which they didn't.
2nd I was not commenting at all on the controversy over the land in Israel, I was talking about here in America.

Oh! Now you insist that the victims didn't have or honor the thieves paperwork. How convenient! You are almost certainly living on stolen land and have benefited from the theft of these lands natural resources. Theft is theft regardless of the scale.

Christians and Jews are thieves plain and simple. BTW the Mormans are the worst religious thieving organizations of them all. That and child molesters.


There is a very big difference between theft of land and winning Wars over it.
We all are living on stolen land throughout history.

Never mind that certain Native American tribes went to war over the land of other tribes.
Aztec's actually took other tribes and made them prisoners to sacrifice to their Gods, then they took over their lands.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.

First the people had to own the property to begin with.
Which they didn't.
2nd I was not commenting at all on the controversy over the land in Israel, I was talking about here in America.

Oh! Now you insist that the victims didn't have or honor the thieves paperwork. How convenient! You are almost certainly living on stolen land and have benefited from the theft of these lands natural resources. Theft is theft regardless of the scale.

Christians and Jews are thieves plain and simple. BTW the Mormans are the worst religious thieving organizations of them all. That and child molesters.


There is a very big difference between theft of land and winning Wars over it.
We all are living on stolen land throughout history.

Never mind that certain Native American tribes went to war over the land of other tribes.
Aztec's actually took other tribes and made them prisoners to sacrifice to their Gods, then they took over their lands.

all true----but lets face facts HERNAN CORTEZ was a bastard and ISABELLA was a *****------the Aztecs did have a barbaric culture----but-----it did not justify
Hernan and Isabella. however----it's over
 
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

During the days of Jesus more Jews lived in Alexandria Egypt and Babylon than Jerusalem. The Jews in Jerusalem had zealous groups, the Jesus kind were non physical, but the physical ones really pissed the Romans off. As such Herods temple got destroyed. I see some Jews and Christians who care about the Palestinians , but not most.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.

First the people had to own the property to begin with.
Which they didn't.
2nd I was not commenting at all on the controversy over the land in Israel, I was talking about here in America.

Oh! Now you insist that the victims didn't have or honor the thieves paperwork. How convenient! You are almost certainly living on stolen land and have benefited from the theft of these lands natural resources. Theft is theft regardless of the scale.

Christians and Jews are thieves plain and simple. BTW the Mormans are the worst religious thieving organizations of them all. That and child molesters.


There is a very big difference between theft of land and winning Wars over it.
We all are living on stolen land throughout history.

Never mind that certain Native American tribes went to war over the land of other tribes.
Aztec's actually took other tribes and made them prisoners to sacrifice to their Gods, then they took over their lands.

Unfortunately yes, and well I sometimes think the Palestinians should maybe quit fighting and live among the Israelites, take PM bibi up on his word before the vote. They are his problem now, I wonder how long that would last. The Israelites there don't even like the Orthodox Jews, or Christians that much.
 
Why do Christians get mad at us atheists for calling bullshit on the entire new testament story but Jews seem to be so chummy with Christians. Why is that? As an atheist I believe a man named Jesus may have lived 2015 years ago too.

What are the differences between what Jews and atheists believe about Christianity?

The entire new testament is made up. Didn't happen. Jews are still waiting for the prophecy to happen. He hasn't come yet. No?

Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

whatever you "are" huggy----one thing you are NOT is an historian. BTW--who in your view are the REAL VICTIMS?

I am only concerned with my own society and what we have done and/or are continuing to do to rob other people of what was theirs. It would take many pages on this MB to fully indite the perpetrators and their heirs.

For the obvious reasons I choose to pick away at the heaping pile of instances. For my own relief of guilt I can state that my mothers father owned 5,000 acres in Kansas which he sold back to the Native Americans for a dollar.

Wow that was nice of him.
When I was a young child we packed up in our Ford station wagon and drove back from Seattle to the huge wheat and corn and hog farm. Gramps initial intention was to offer it to my parents if they would become active farmers. We inspected the houses barns and gain storage facilities. All I can remember was that it was suffocating hot and I hated it. No mountains, No Pacific ocean. The land was flat..for hundreds of miles. We were not cut out to be instant mega farmers. My parents decline was not as generous as my grandfather's resolution to the matter. Instead he bought my family 162 acres on Orcas Island in the American San Juans near Deer Harbor Washington. Below is a partial arial view of my childhood home. Thanks Gramps!

2707371771_b32658e330_z.jpg
 
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Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

During the days of Jesus more Jews lived in Alexandria Egypt and Babylon than Jerusalem. The Jews in Jerusalem had zealous groups, the Jesus kind were non physical, but the physical ones really pissed the Romans off. As such Herods temple got destroyed. I see some Jews and Christians who care about the Palestinians , but not most.

your idiot comment on demographics is a non sequitor. I think the concept that you are struggling to convey is that MOST JEWS did not live in Jerusalem-----you
are right----Jerusalem is kinda small. Jerusalem is not all of Israel/Judea.
There were far more jews in Israel/Judea at that time than in either Babylon or
Alexandria. Another concept that you are struggling to convey is that by
the time of the life of Jesus----there was ALREADY a kind of diaspora----
all true. SO??? there are americans in Paris. There were romans in
Jerusalem back then too. SO? Today there are muslims in New Jersey and
Hindus in Queens, New York. -------and Chinese people in Manhattan.

I forgot to mention----there were greeks in Alexandria too -----and Cleopatra
is thought to have been born in Assyria-----with greek ancestry --she learned the
Egyptian language as an adult
 
Jews and Christians have the philosophy of we agree to disagree, especially about Jesus, but we can still work together.
Something that the activists Atheists have forgotten and are trying to force their views on everybody.

Christians and Jews have worked together to claim other peoples property????

Who'd a thunk it??? You could knock me over with a feather! :lol:

That's sort of correct Sunshine. We will be here suggesting that people stop wasting time and resources chasing myths and ridiculous guarantees you claim insisting you are special and have rights to land and property based only on your self serving myths.

Yes, we find institutionalizing you personal beliefs into others lives to be intrusive. There is no Mythical mandates YOU insist on that we must honor.

You have done enough damage. You have destroyed many pockets of indigenous societies. You have murdered many hundreds of thousands of native Americans and stolen THEIR land fueled by Manifest Destiny.

The Jews believe THEY have some mythical ownership of land in the Mid East and some FOOLS and self serving A-Holes GAVE them a foothold now called Israel. This was not a natural endeavor. It was wholly contrived by the winners of WWII, which by the way was CLEARLY NOT the Jews. This "gift", not by their god, was of politicians who because of their own guilt shit on the people that actually survived the Germans occupation proving THEIR title to the area.

And YOU talk of MY force. Hypocrites extraordinaire.
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

whatever you "are" huggy----one thing you are NOT is an historian. BTW--who in your view are the REAL VICTIMS?

I am only concerned with my own society and what we have done and/or are continuing to do to rob other people of what was theirs. It would take many pages on this MB to fully indite the perpetrators and their heirs.

For the obvious reasons I choose to pick away at the heaping pile of instances. For my own relief of guilt I can state that my mothers father owned 5,000 acres in Kansas which he sold back to the Native Americans for a dollar.

Wow that was nice of him.
When I was a young child we packed up in our Ford station wagon and drove back from Seattle to the huge wheat and corn and hog farm. Gramps initial intention was to offer it to my parents if they would become active farmers. We inspected the houses barns and gain storage facilities. All I can remember was that it was suffocating hot and I hated it. No mountains, No Pacific ocean. The land was flat..for hundreds of miles. We were not cut out to be instant mega farmers. My parents decline was not as generous as my grandfather's resolution to the matter. Instead he bought my family 162 acres on Orcas Island in the American San Juans near Deer Harbor Washington. Below is a partial arial view of my childhood home. Thanks Gramps!

2707371771_b32658e330_z.jpg

hugs----you forgot to mention the tornados
 
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

During the days of Jesus more Jews lived in Alexandria Egypt and Babylon than Jerusalem. The Jews in Jerusalem had zealous groups, the Jesus kind were non physical, but the physical ones really pissed the Romans off. As such Herods temple got destroyed. I see some Jews and Christians who care about the Palestinians , but not most.

your idiot comment on demographics is a non sequitor. I think the concept that you are struggling to convey is that MOST JEWS did not live in Jerusalem-----you
are right----Jerusalem is kinda small. Jerusalem is not all of Israel/Judea.
There were far more jews in Israel/Judea at that time than in either Babylon or
Alexandria. Another concept that you are struggling to convey is that by
the time of the life of Jesus----there was ALREADY a kind of diaspora----
all true. SO??? there are americans in Paris. There were romans in
Jerusalem back then too. SO? Today there are muslims in New Jersey and
Hindus in Queens, New York. -------and Chinese people in Manhattan.

I forgot to mention----there were greeks in Alexandria too -----and Cleopatra
is thought to have been born in Assyria-----with greek ancestry --she learned the
Egyptian language as an adult

Goodness, one would think that Rome sacked Herod's temple and they all scurried. Poor Israelites had to become nomads again. heck they loved the city of Babylon and Alexander. City life is the place for me, they loved NY , called it the New Jerusalem .
 
Pharisee had all the extra oral laws and Sadducees followed the torah. The Pharisees came after the Babylon exile and were the Rabbis who begun the Babylon Talmud. They both obeyed the Romans and didn't want any problems, which men like John and Jesus , among others caused.

The Romans served the interests of Rome. They tolerated that which made their control more absolute without wasting too many resources. The Jews capitulated and for a while that cow-towing allowed them to exist. They were run off by later nations and armies and scattered to the winds. When push came to shove they were no more successful in keeping title to the land than the Native Americans here on our continent. Obviously if Israel has legitimate title then so do the tribes of American Indians. But Christians and Jews are not just peoples. They are purely self serving.

If we dissolve all mythical titles and redistrict based only by justice Israel would not exist and neither would Christianity. Who speaks for the REAL victims on this planet. Certainly not Christians or Jews.

During the days of Jesus more Jews lived in Alexandria Egypt and Babylon than Jerusalem. The Jews in Jerusalem had zealous groups, the Jesus kind were non physical, but the physical ones really pissed the Romans off. As such Herods temple got destroyed. I see some Jews and Christians who care about the Palestinians , but not most.

your idiot comment on demographics is a non sequitor. I think the concept that you are struggling to convey is that MOST JEWS did not live in Jerusalem-----you
are right----Jerusalem is kinda small. Jerusalem is not all of Israel/Judea.
There were far more jews in Israel/Judea at that time than in either Babylon or
Alexandria. Another concept that you are struggling to convey is that by
the time of the life of Jesus----there was ALREADY a kind of diaspora----
all true. SO??? there are americans in Paris. There were romans in
Jerusalem back then too. SO? Today there are muslims in New Jersey and
Hindus in Queens, New York. -------and Chinese people in Manhattan.

I forgot to mention----there were greeks in Alexandria too -----and Cleopatra
is thought to have been born in Assyria-----with greek ancestry --she learned the
Egyptian language as an adult

Clearly we came from an imperfect society. War, greed, power grabs all contributed to the chaos that has raised up and settled many times over human existence. Religion or it's use as an excuse to enslave, murder and steal has had a heavy hand in the ceremonies. Now here we are supposedly wiser and more fair and honest. OR are we?
 

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