JD Vance's 'Hillbilly Elegy'

[jc456]

Why would any honest decent person want to work for him, knowing his history.

Posters in this forum used to make a big deal about the notion that Barack Obama wasn’t properly “vetted” before his election and the public knew little about him.

But neither of the Republican Party, nor the media on either side of the political spectrum said anything about Trump’s criminal history, or his record of business failures and lawsuits, and they knew because everything Trump has ever done has been publicized, and reported for decades.

The state of New York has been trying to file charges against him since the 90s while Trump went around the city publicly bragging about how many politicians he bribed to get his buildings built.

His 4000+ lawsuits are a matter of public record as are his delay tactics and abuse of legal proceedings to attack his enemies.

As always, Trump accuses others of “lawfare” against him, when in fact, Trump invented the concept of attacking your enemies through the courts, appealling every order, dragging out the process until the other side gives up or runs out of money.

WTF are you babbling over and over about canadian cuck

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's basically saying that hillbillies make a fantasy version of the world and live in that. It kind of makes sense that they'd vote for MAGA which is, in effect, a fantasy world created to make people feel like they're in control of their lives.

True.

It also explains why Trump voters vote against their own interests.

 

[jc456]

True.

It also explains why Trump voters vote against their own interests.

2.25 dollar a gallon gas is against my own interests over 4.50 a gallon gas? In what math world did you evolve out of?

 

[Roy C]

I found I had JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy on my Kindle so I started to read it. It's a good book, readable and interesting from both a family view, a hillbilly view and a political view.

Bullshit. You're not reading that book. You pulled out a few choice quotes and made a fake thread.

You're like the phonies who pretend they are all pro-gun, but then do a 180. These phonies will say, "Oh, I grew up in the country with firearms, but then moved to the city and saw the error of all that." Those fake firearms stories were going around big time five years ago. You just used that fake template and applied it to Vance.

 

[Dragonlady]

2.25 dollar a gallon gas is against my own interests over 4.50 a gallon gas? In what math world did you evolve out of?

You were perfectly willing to vote for Trump who gave you $2.80 gas over the Democrats who gave you $1.80 gas. And then you kiss Trump shoes and told him how much you loved him for doing that to you.

There is nothing so gullible and stupid as a Russian, pretending to be an American voter

 

[frigidweirdo]

I've never seen so many people sell their soul like this, and to this degree.

From politicians to pastors to pundits.

The ship is sinking and everyone is trying to enrich themselves before the gravy train stops.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Bullshit. You're not reading that book. You pulled out a few choice quotes and made a fake thread.

You're like the phonies who pretend they are all pro-gun, but then do a 180. These phonies will say, "Oh, I grew up in the country with firearms, but then moved to the city and saw the error of all that." Those fake firearms stories were going around big time five years ago. You just used that fake template and applied it to Vance.

You're right, I'm not reading that book. I finished it yesterday.

Apart from that, fuck you.

 

[Roy C]

You're right, I'm not reading that book. I finished it yesterday.

Apart from that, fuck you.

You never read it. You're on here 24-7-365 with countless alter egos.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You never read it. You're on here 24-7-365 with countless alter egos.

Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

2.25 dollar a gallon gas is against my own interests over 4.50 a gallon gas? In what math world did you evolve out of?

Poor white conservatives who live in a fantasy world created to make them feel like they're in control of their lives is the perfect explanation as to why Trump voters vote against their own interests.

 

[Missourian]

He's talking here about misinformation, that most of the "misinformation" comes, not because people are lying, but because people just don't bother to accept what they're told, but also don't bother to find out the truth.

You mean like Russian Collision?

Or do you mean like 61 intelligence agencies agree Hunter's laptop is Russian Disinformation?

Or do you mean when Ashley Biden's diary is continuously reported as "unconfirmed"?

Or that Kamala wasn't appointed the Border Czar by Biden?


Or do you mean the Mother of all lies... Biden is sharp and focused and these videos of him looking and sounding like a dementia patient are "cheap fakes"?

And those are just off the top of my head.

We don't believe the media because...

...wait for it...


... THEY KEEP GETTING CAUGHT LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH.

 

[Missourian]

So, the think that stops the US being like.... just about every other country in the Americans (except Canada) is the TRUST people have in the system.

You must be living in a Fallout Vault.

 

[jc456]

You were perfectly willing to vote for Trump who gave you $2.80 gas over the Democrats who gave you $1.80 gas.

When?

 

[krichton]

I found I had JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy on my Kindle so I started to read it. It's a good book, readable and interesting from both a family view, a hillbilly view and a political view.

At times I wonder how the person who wrote this book could end up becoming Trump's VP candidate.

"The paper suggests that hillbillies learn from an early age to deal with uncomfortable truths by avoiding them, or by pretending better truths exist"

It's basically saying that hillbillies make a fantasy version of the world and live in that. It kind of makes sense that they'd vote for MAGA which is, in effect, a fantasy world created to make people feel like they're in control of their lives.

So, how does someone go from identify this fantasy world created, saying it's a problem, saying it leads to people making bad choices, to going out there and taking advantage of these people making bad choices?

"Instead of encouraging engagement, conservatives increasingly foment the kind of detachment that has sapped the ambition of so many of my peers"

Here he's talking about how people just don't care to work hard any more. He spoke about a friend who quit his job because he didn't want to get up early any more, but then claimed the "Obama economy" effected his life, in a negative way. But Vance is saying it was because of the individual, and not the "Obama economy" (which was part of the recession that started before Obama became President.

"Many try to blame the anger and cynicism of working-class whites on misinformation. Admittedly, there is an industry of conspiracy-mongers and fringe lunatics writing about all manner of idiocy, from Obama’s alleged religious leanings to his ancestry. But every major news organization, even the oft-maligned Fox News, has always told the truth about Obama’s citizenship status and religious views. The people I know are well aware of what the major news organizations have to say about the issue; they simply don’t believe them. "

He's talking here about misinformation, that most of the "misinformation" comes, not because people are lying, but because people just don't bother to accept what they're told, but also don't bother to find out the truth.

Trump lies, and the people believe because they want to believe him. Vance has started doing the same. He's said things, like about the UK, that simply wasn't true. A country with 6% Muslims is not a Muslim state, especially when the Monarch and head of state is a white man, and the PM is a white man.

So when reading this book I wondered how a guy like, a guy who can look at the issues and see them for what they are, can then turn around and say things like 'I'm a hillbilly and this is what I think, stuff everything else' and then became a MAGA person, a person who ignores reality and replaces it with his fantasy, like the UK is a Muslim country.

Power is as addicting as physical drugs, apparently. Vance is someone seemingly willing to abandon all his principles for it.

 

[FA_Q2]

The ship is sinking and everyone is trying to enrich themselves before the gravy train stops.

That is a nice sentiment but I do not see the evidence of it.

The ship is NOT sinking, it remains very politically powerful. Everyone on the right is jumping on board because they have no choice, the electorate is demanding it. If you do not you become irrelevant very fast. I fear the end of the fantasy era we live in will not look very pleasant.

 

[Mac1958]

WTF are you babbling over and over about cuck?

I'm not posting to you, Einstein. Your opinion means nothing to me.

Now, get on your little scooter and go play with the other children.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I found I had JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy on my Kindle so I started to read it. It's a good book, readable and interesting from both a family view, a hillbilly view and a political view.

At times I wonder how the person who wrote this book could end up becoming Trump's VP candidate.

"The paper suggests that hillbillies learn from an early age to deal with uncomfortable truths by avoiding them, or by pretending better truths exist"

It's basically saying that hillbillies make a fantasy version of the world and live in that. It kind of makes sense that they'd vote for MAGA which is, in effect, a fantasy world created to make people feel like they're in control of their lives.

So, how does someone go from identify this fantasy world created, saying it's a problem, saying it leads to people making bad choices, to going out there and taking advantage of these people making bad choices?

"Instead of encouraging engagement, conservatives increasingly foment the kind of detachment that has sapped the ambition of so many of my peers"

Here he's talking about how people just don't care to work hard any more. He spoke about a friend who quit his job because he didn't want to get up early any more, but then claimed the "Obama economy" effected his life, in a negative way. But Vance is saying it was because of the individual, and not the "Obama economy" (which was part of the recession that started before Obama became President.

"Many try to blame the anger and cynicism of working-class whites on misinformation. Admittedly, there is an industry of conspiracy-mongers and fringe lunatics writing about all manner of idiocy, from Obama’s alleged religious leanings to his ancestry. But every major news organization, even the oft-maligned Fox News, has always told the truth about Obama’s citizenship status and religious views. The people I know are well aware of what the major news organizations have to say about the issue; they simply don’t believe them. "

He's talking here about misinformation, that most of the "misinformation" comes, not because people are lying, but because people just don't bother to accept what they're told, but also don't bother to find out the truth.

Trump lies, and the people believe because they want to believe him. Vance has started doing the same. He's said things, like about the UK, that simply wasn't true. A country with 6% Muslims is not a Muslim state, especially when the Monarch and head of state is a white man, and the PM is a white man.

So when reading this book I wondered how a guy like, a guy who can look at the issues and see them for what they are, can then turn around and say things like 'I'm a hillbilly and this is what I think, stuff everything else' and then became a MAGA person, a person who ignores reality and replaces it with his fantasy, like the UK is a Muslim country.

 

[FA_Q2]

I'm not posting to you, Einstein. Your opinion means nothing to me.

Now, get on your little scooter and go play with the other children.

You are advocating for child endangerment here, stop.

 

[Mac1958]

Why would any honest decent person want to work for him, knowing his history.

I've thought about this so much. What is the draw? Why would someone go near this?

The best answer I can conjure is that some people are just drawn to power and drama and celebrity. When you combine that with the raw ego and craven ambition that push folks into politics in the first place, you'll have people who will do and risk absolutely anything if they think it gives them a chance to be in the game.

 

[Mac1958]

Power is as addicting as physical drugs, apparently. Vance is someone seemingly willing to abandon all his principles for it.

And it's entirely blatant and completely forgiven, IF you're joining the orange orbit. That's the amazing thing.

These people should be insulted by so much of this, not excited. And yet....