Jason Crow's salient point is a lesson for us all.

[Seymour Flops]

Where in post #71 did you make mention of anything R's need to do in the way of reform? I have yet to see any congressional Repub give the kind of thoughtful, retrospective answers about the Repub party Crow gave about Dems in his interview. Probably because the entire Repub congressional caucus lives in fear of being targeted by trump if they say anything he considers to be disloyal to him.

Post # 29, I discuss two separate issues on which I hold the type of seemingly contridictory ideas you talk about in the OP, including one harshly critical of Trump.

Of course, you knew that, which is why you dpecifiy only post # 71.

 

[martybegan]

Crow appeared on a recent episode of Bill Maher's show.

ICYMI: Congressman Crow on Real Time with Bill Maher

LOS ANGELES — Congressman Jason Crow joined Real Time with Bill Maher for a wide-ranging discussion on his work to lower costs for Coloradans, what the Democratic Party needs to do differently, and the importance of holding Donald Trump accountable.

crow.house.gov

In the closing moments of the interview with him and the other guest he said something that resonated with me. To paraphrase, it was we all need to learn to be able to hold two truths about nuanced issues in our heads simultaneously. He made the remark in the context of a discussion about Israel's actions in Gaza. Defending his position as someone who does not support Hamas while being capable of recognizing the intentional starvation of children in Gaza is inhumane.

It's not a novel concept but one we could all benefit from implementing.

For example, I can acknowledge the reduction of illegal immigration at the southern border is a good thing for the country, while at the same time rejecting many of the policies creating that result.

I can agree in principle with Biden's efforts to make immigration policy more humane following trump 1.0, while seeing how it gave hope to people desperate to escape the conditions they lived under in their native countries. Causing more immigrants to come to the border. Putting more stress on an under funded, inefficient system for processing people.

I can agree, conceptually, with the desire for greater government efficiency, while disagreeing with the way the DOGE team conducted itself.

I can agree the $500M fine imposed on trump in the civil fraud case was excessive, at the same time as concurring with the finding of his guilt based on the evidence.

I can agree targeted tariffs are an effective tool in protecting US industries being harmed by the unfair practices of foreign countries, while observing blanket tariffs, both indiscriminately and illegally applied, are harmful to the country in multiple ways.

We could all benefit from less binary thinking and more nuance. Less polarization, more search for the middle ground.

Would any trump supporters like to provide an example of their own?

So what he is advocating is doublethink?

Very Orwellian.

 

[Rogue AI]

What is the effect of arresting immigrants when they appear at their hearings? The ones trumples claim they never appear at.

The effect is one less criminal alien clogging up our system. If they fail to show up it's a guaranteed deportation order. Win/win.

Keep supporting illegal aliens over US citizens, it seems to be working great for you loons.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Those going to their hearings are NOT here illegally.

The overwheming majority are. Most crossed illegally and only claimed assylum when caught.

They were given temporary release until their hearing. That did not somehow legalize them.

 

[berg80]

Post # 29, I discuss two separate issues on which I hold the type of seemingly contridictory ideas you talk about in the OP, including one harshly critical of Trump.

Of course, you knew that, which is why you dpecifiy only post # 71.

"I can recognize that electric cars produce far less polution that gasoline cars, and that if they are charged using electricty generated by wind, solar, nuclear, or other basically unlimited power sources, humans are better off. At the same time I understand that government subsidies of such projects are a far worse way to fund them than allowing the free market to provide such innovation as it always has."

If it takes tax credits and loan guarantees from the government to fill a gap caused by a lack of investment from private venture capitalists or privately owned companies in order to accelerate the transition to renewable sources of energy then that is exactly what we should be doing. I don't recall anyone complaining about trump putting up government money to help develop the COVID vaccine. Nor do I see a lot of protests from Repubs over government subsidies of all kinds of industries including oil and gas companies.

As for post #71, my observation remains unchallenged.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If it takes tax credits and loan guarantees from the government to fill a gap caused by a lack of investment from private venture capitalists or privately owned companies in order to accelerate the transition to renewable sources of energy then that is exactly what we should be doing.

Alright, I disagree, but that is not the point of the thread.

I don't recall anyone complaining about trump putting up government money to help develop the COVID vaccine. Nor do I see a lot of protests from Repubs over government subsidies of all kinds of industries including oil and gas companies.

Maybe not, but if you are intellectually honest enough, you will recognize that I myself said that I disagree with government subsidies of oil and gas.

As for post #71, my observation remains unchallenged.

Your observation was completely false, except about post number seventy one specifically.

I voted for trump because most of his policies are better then nearly all of his opponent's policies, not because he is a perfect human being who could never be criticized.

I voted for Trump in the even though most of the other republicans have been espousing his same policies for many years. the difference is, Trump has actually been carrying them out. Most of those other Republicans talk a good game to win an election and then join the democrats in supposedly "bipartisan" bills.

A factually incorrect belief that is almost universally held by trumples as a consequence of a deluge of misinformation from trump and right wing media.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/17/us-mexico-border-open-borders-myth

So I am supposed to read one article in axios, and then disregard all I saw with my own eyes during the four years of Biden?

I suspect a wild goose chase. So could you tell me the most important a bit of evidence that Biden kept the borders closed and secure? Or that in some other way, he prevented thousands of people from crossing per day?

EDIT:Never mind. i took a look at the axio's article and it was mercifully short. it would have to be to describe all the things that Biden did to close the border. Apparently, he authorized some wall to be built and other "trump-like policies." Too little too late obviously, even if that were true. I certainly don't remember Biden building any wall, but maybe that was a desperate October surprise?

The border was so wide open that even some RINDs were willing to compromise. So that "only" five thousand per day would come across.

Is this an example of your duality of mind? insisting that it is inhumane to stop people from illegally coming to the US but also insisting that people were not illegally coming to the U.S?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say​

 

[fncceo]

And to the point of the OP, they do not support grabbing and arresting those showing up to their hearings.

Breaking the law isn’t Freeze Tag. There is no safe zone.

If you’re evading a warrant, police can arrest you wherever they find you.

 

[pknopp]

Breaking the law isn’t Freeze Tag. There is no safe zone.

If you’re evading a warrant, police can arrest you wherever they find you.

Please stay on topic. Those showing up to their hearings arent avoiding a warrant.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please stay on topic. Those showing up to their hearings arent avoiding a warrant.

And they aren't citizens and can be deported.

 

[pknopp]

And they aren't citizens and can be deported.

If a court rules so.

 

[berg80]

I voted for trump because most of his policies are better then nearly all of his opponent's policies

Wow, did you ever get that wrong.

 

[berg80]

When you post social media content from someone with the handle "Jews Fight Back" you know it has zero credibility, right?

The assessment about Hamas not being guilty of stealing UN aid came from members of the Israeli military.

 

[22lcidw]

Wow, did you ever get that wrong.

When the Republican legislation passed starts, I will appreciate the saving in taxes as compared to what the Progs do.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Wow, did you ever get that wrong.

A bizare thing to say, given your admissions in the OP about the benefits of Trump's border and immigration policies.