Jason Crow's salient point is a lesson for us all.

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

I'm afraid you've been misinformed.

New Israeli rules stopping critical aid getting into Gaza, charities says

More than 100 aid organisations say they are increasingly being told they are "not authorised" to deliver supplies.

www.bbc.com

Why would any country at war allow supplies through when the enemy steals them to feed its soldiers?

 

[Rawley]

And to the point of the OP, they do not support grabbing and arresting those showing up to their hearings.

?? They've had their hearing, they lost, they get deported. Who doesn't support that?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Those going to their hearings are NOT here illegally.

Feelings.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It depends. Sheesh. Do I have to note millions of cases or could you simply quit trolling?

If they are going to hearings to get permission to remain, now they have the answer.

Permission denied.

 

[berg80]

Why would any country at war allow supplies through when the enemy steals them to feed its soldiers?

See post #50. I so wish I could have a fact based discussion with one of you folks without spending time batting away misinformation.

 

[Rogue AI]

And to the point of the OP, they do not support grabbing and arresting those showing up to their hearings.

Why wouldn't they want the government to use safe and effective methods to deport illegal aliens? It is only those who hate this country that would rather use inefficient and more dangerous situations to capture criminal aliens.

 

[Mac1958]

We could all benefit from less binary thinking and more nuance. Less polarization, more search for the middle ground.

Our Constitution was/is the product of communication, collaboration, and the innovation that is often the result. We're so far from that now that I don't know how we get back there from here.

The Founders specifically warned against the dangerous, counterproductive and destructive nature of party politics. Yet here we are, absolutely paralyzed and failing because of that very thing.

When we collaborate and innovate, we all have skin in the game. When one side only gets its way, it creates incentives to muck up the plan. I don't know how we have not learned that yet.

I'll keep hoping, but I don't see a way back at the moment.

 

[struth]

The issue is "fight back". Neither side will ever get what they ultimately want so one would think cooler heads would do something so people won't continue to die.

But most likely in 50 years they will still be killing each other.

Well the cooler heads recognize that Hamas is a terrorist organization and won’t stop the killing

One can understand that, and realize you can’t suooort anyone or group that gives any aid and comfort to Hamas, such as the Dem party

 

[Mack The Finger]

I am no great fan of Trump but I love the way he pushes LIBs buttons and how he speaks his mind.

Thank you and God bless.

 

[struth]

Given a choice between believing the BBC, and other news outlets reporting how Israel has blocked food aid, and shot Palestinians trying to access what is available, or whoever the eff Liza Rosen is, I'm going with the news outlets.

No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say​

For nearly two years, Israel has accused Hamas of stealing aid provided by the United Nations and other international organizations. The government has used that claim as its main rationale for restricting food from entering Gaza.

But the Israeli military never found proof that the Palestinian militant group had systematically stolen aid from the United Nations, the biggest supplier of emergency assistance to Gaza for most of the war, according to two senior Israeli military officials and two other Israelis involved in the matter.

In fact, the Israeli military officials said, the U.N. aid delivery system, which Israel derided and undermined, was largely effective in providing food to Gaza’s desperate and hungry population.

Now, with hunger at crisis levels in the territory, Israel is coming under increased international pressure over its conduct of the war in Gaza and the humanitarian suffering it has brought. Doctors in the territory say that an increasing number of their patients are suffering from — and dying of — starvation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

That’s an outdated report by an outlet known to spread propaganda and disinformation.

Here’s a more up to date one from the AP

Gangs and merchants sell food aid in Gaza, where Israel’s offensive has shattered security

Since Israel’s offensive led to a security breakdown in Gaza that has made it nearly impossible to safely deliver food to starving Palestinians, much of the limited aid entering is being hoarded by gangs and merchants and sold at exorbitant prices.

apnews.com

I don’t believe you want to kill Jews, but I think your methods of pushing Hamas propaganda isn’t the best way to not kill Jews

 

[Seymour Flops]

The point underlying berg80's point is a good one: Democrats (and "not Democrats") will have to change if they want to win any future elections, other than secure seats in overwhelmingly blue areas.

The difficult part will be changing without ever admitting that a change was needed. Admitting to error is something that has always been an absolute taboo with Democrats and "not Democrats." berg80 comes close, but he is anonymous on the internet, not a prominent leader of the Party. When one of them can come forward and say "yes, that was not a good policy," then there will be hope for the DNC as a national party.

 

[berg80]

Why wouldn't they want the government to use safe and effective methods to deport illegal aliens?

What is the effect of arresting immigrants when they appear at their hearings? The ones trumples claim they never appear at.

 

[berg80]

Our Constitution was/is the product of communication, collaboration, and the innovation that is often the result. We're so far from that now that I don't know how we get back there from here.

The Founders specifically warned against the dangerous, counterproductive and destructive nature of party politics. Yet here we are, absolutely paralyzed and failing because of that very thing.

When we collaborate and innovate, we all have skin in the game. When one side only gets its way, it creates incentives to muck up the plan. I don't know how we have not learned that yet.

I'll keep hoping, but I don't see a way back at the moment.

The subtext of Crow's comment is we need to get back to negotiated compromise between the parties. However, to do so there needs to be agreement on a factual baseline regarding the issue being negotiated. And then there's Dotard, who sees compromise as weakness.............as all autocrats do.

 

[berg80]

The point underlying berg80's point is a good one: Democrats (and "not Democrats") will have to change if they want to win any future elections, other than secure seats in overwhelmingly blue areas.

The difficult part will be changing without ever admitting that a change was needed. Admitting to error is something that has always been an absolute taboo with Democrats and "not Democrats." berg80 comes close, but he is anonymous on the internet, not a prominent leader of the Party. When one of them can come forward and say "yes, that was not a good policy," then there will be hope for the DNC as a national party.

The thinking leading one to believe the Dem party is the only one in need of a different approach is part of the problem.

 

[Mac1958]

The subtext of Crow's comment is we need to get back to negotiated compromise between the parties. However, to do so there needs to be agreement on a factual baseline regarding the issue being negotiated. And then there's Dotard, who sees compromise as weakness.............as all autocrats do.

I'm seeing two layers here: First, the tribalism has reached a point at which collaboration is all but impossible. But second, to your point and probably even more destructive, the country now exists in two separate universes. One is led by a literal autocrat.

I spent a freakin' career doing problem-solving, and none of what's happening makes any sense to me. This thing is just smashed, broken beyond recognition. I don't think there's enough duct tape on the planet for this one. And it's a self-inflicted wound, as usual.

 

[berg80]

I'm seeing two layers here: First, the tribalism has reached a point at which collaboration is all but impossible. But second, to your point and probably even more destructive, the country now exists in two separate universes. One is led by a literal autocrat.

I spent a freakin' career doing problem-solving, and none of what's happening makes any sense to me. This thing is just smashed, broken beyond recognition. I don't think there's enough duct tape on the planet for this one. And it's a self-inflicted wound, as usual.

Day after day I hope for thoughtful replies from fellow Americans with whom I used to share a common purpose. Day after day I'm disappointed. The first reply to the thread after asking for a trump fan to give an example of a more nuanced approach to the issues we face as a nation was.........."In other words, you agree with many of Trump's policies, but you have a need to justify your hatred."

It's increasingly difficult to remain hopeful.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The thinking leading one to believe the Dem party is the only one in need of a different approach is part of the problem.

Who said the Dems are the only ones in need of changing?

Are you trying to make this thread into yet another Trump bash fest?

 

[berg80]

Who said the Dems are the only ones in need of changing?

Are you trying to make this thread into yet another Trump bash fest?

Where in post #71 did you make mention of anything R's need to do in the way of reform? I have yet to see any congressional Repub give the kind of thoughtful, retrospective answers about the Repub party Crow gave about Dems in his interview. Probably because the entire Repub congressional caucus lives in fear of being targeted by trump if they say anything he considers to be disloyal to him.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is the effect of arresting immigrants when they appear at their hearings? The ones trumples claim they never appear at.

The effect is fewer illegal aliens remaining here and fewer trying to come here.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Where in post #71 did you make mention of anything R's need to do in the way of reform?

Nowhere, because thats not what the post was about.

I have yet to see any congressional Repub give the kind of thoughtful, retrospective answers about the Repub party Crow gave about Dems in his interview. Probably because the entire Repub congressional caucus lives in fear of being targeted by trump if they say anything he considers to be disloyal to him.

So you DO want to derail your own thread and make it another Trump-bashing opportunity.

Just what we need . . .