It is time to end our relationship with Israel

[teddyearp]

^^^ translation: don’t point out the double standards I apply where Da Joos are concerned.

You're catching on . . .

 

[Shusha]

... and a occupier doesn't have a right of defence anymore than the Nazis did in occupied Europe.

This is a cute little soundbyte that has made its way into popular discourse, but is absolute legal hogwash.

UN CHARTER
51. Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations...

Note that it is not the UN Charter, nor Article 51, which gives rise to this right of self-defense -- it is an INHERENT right.

ICJ ADVISORY OPINION
141. The fact remains that Israel has to face numerous indiscriminate and deadly acts of violence against its civilian population. It has the right, and indeed the duty, to respond in order to protect the life of its citizens.

There is a great deal of legal discussion about self-defense against States and self-defense against nonstate actors; and whether Gaza and/or Hamas is the former or the latter. It is an extremely nuanced and detailed legal discussion whose outcome has not yet been determined in customary law.

HOWEVER, making the simplistic argument that Israel is not permitted to take military action to protect and defend her citizens because "occupation" is not even remotely a legally viable opinion.

 

[JBG]

You mean just allow the Zionist Colonialists to go about their business? Israel actually funded Hamas against the PLO.

Somehow that temporary and tactical funding justifies a brutal rampage of murder and rape?

 

[JBG]

Just when I thought that paid, trained and scripted Zionist shills couldn't get any dumber.

Go figure...

Do you have any evidence that Stann, or for that matter myself, are being paid/

 

[JBG]

It was ******* wrong how Israel was created.

It's wrong how Israel has been treating the Palestinians ever since.

It's ******* wrong what they've been doing to the Palestinian people after October 7.

Do you disagree?

Was China wrong to brutalize and occupy Tibet? Was the USSR wrong to occupy the Kurile Islands? Was Czechoslovakia wrong to exile the Sudeten Germans?

 

[Lisa558]

Do you have any evidence that Stann, or for that matter myself, are being paid/

The antisemites accuse everyone who supports Israel as being “paid” in order to delegitimize their position.

Ironically, delegitimization is one of the three Ds of Israel, the other too being double standards and demonization.

 

[Lisa558]

Was China wrong to brutalize and occupy Tibet? Was the USSR wrong to occupy the Kurile Islands? Was Czechoslovakia wrong to exile the Sudeten Germans?

Is it wrong for the Muslims to intentionally target and kill Christians in Nigeria?

And here we see the second of the three D’s of antisemitism - double standards. The antisemites spreading lies about Israel ignore all these other situations because….well….no way to blame the Jews for the others.

 

[JBG]

Is it wrong for the Muslims to intentionally target and kill Christians in Nigeria?

And here we see the second of the three D’s of antisemitism - double standards. The antisemites spreading lies about Israel ignore all these other situations because….well….no way to blame the Jews for the others.

I included that example here, What weight do you believe that "world opinion" or the views of the "international community"? .

 

[MarcATL]

Was China wrong to brutalize and occupy Tibet? Was the USSR wrong to occupy the Kurile Islands? Was Czechoslovakia wrong to exile the Sudeten Germans?

Start a thread about China.

This thread is about Israel.

Do you have anything to say about Israel?

 

[JBG]

Start a thread about China.

This thread is about Israel.

Do you have anything to say about Israel?

Lots. See What weight do you believe that "world opinion" or the views of the "international community"? And I was pointing out the obvious double-standard.

 

[Lisa558]

Start a thread about China.

This thread is about Israel.

Do you have anything to say about Israel?

That’s the point. Why do you and millions like you not have anything to say about the atrocities committed by non-Jewish countries, and by non-Jews, yet focus your rage solely on your perceived wrongs by Jews?

This is the double standard which reveals hostility toward Jews. Charles Krauthammer had an excellent chapter on it in his book, in case you are up for an intellectual read.

 

[MarcATL]

That’s the point. Why do you and millions like you not have anything to say about the atrocities committed by non-Jewish countries, and by non-Jews, yet focus your rage solely on your perceived wrongs by Jews?

This is the double standard which reveals hostility toward Jews. Charles Krauthammer had an excellent chapter on it in his book, in case you are up for an intellectual read.

Why are you so ******* dishonest that you intentionally conflate "Israel" w/"Jews?"

We're talking about the modern state of Israel here. You know this.

And you're even more ******* dishonest by asking that stupid question in the first place, Israel is the country our tax dollars are going to. That's the whole point of the contention, stop giving these warmongers and genocidists are *******. tax. dollars.

It's really. *******. simple.

 

[Shusha]

Start a thread about China.

This thread is about Israel.

Well, no. This thread is about whether you (yes, you in particular, as well as others) are able to apply the SAME standards to Israel as you do to other states and whether you have an objective set of criteria by which to measure those standards.

 

[MarcATL]

Well, no. This thread is about whether you (yes, you in particular, as well as others) are able to apply the SAME standards to Israel as you do to other states and whether you have an objective set of criteria by which to measure those standards.

Post in thread 'It is time to end our relationship with Israel'

Nov 9, 2025

That’s the point. Why do you and millions like you not have anything to say about the atrocities committed by non-Jewish countries, and by non-Jews, yet focus your rage solely on your perceived wrongs by Jews?

This is the double standard which reveals hostility toward Jews. Charles Krauthammer had an excellent chapter on it in his book, in case you are up for an intellectual read.

Why are you so ******* dishonest that you intentionally conflate "Israel" w/"Jews?"

We're talking about the modern state of Israel here. You know this.

And you're even more ******* dishonest by asking...

• MarcATL

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You're the one who's not able to apply the same standards to Israel as everyone else.

Snap out of it!

 

[Shusha]

Why are you so ******* dishonest that you intentionally conflate "Israel" w/"Jews?"

We're talking about the modern state of Israel here. You know this.

Its mostly because you (you, in particular, and others) are unable to (or refuse to) articulate and provide critique for the specific actions of Israel's government and then evaluate them honestly. Instead you rely on slurs, false accusations, demonization, and blood libels.

This is evident from your own posts where you claim Israel is "wrong" and "******* wrong".

 

[Shusha]

You're the one who's not able to apply the same standards to Israel as everyone else.

Example?

 

[Deadstick]

Somehow that temporary and tactical funding justifies a brutal rampage of murder and rape?

No it doesn't, i am just telling you how double dealing and hypocritical Israel is, they backed Hamas because they didn't want to deal with the more moderate and secular PLO.

 

[Deadstick]

Was China wrong to brutalize and occupy Tibet? Was the USSR wrong to occupy the Kurile Islands? Was Czechoslovakia wrong to exile the Sudeten Germans?

What makes you think Tibet was ever a different Country to China?, the Japs lost the war and paid the price, same with the Sudeten Germans who chose the wrong side and backed Hitler.

 

[Lisa558]

Why are you so ******* dishonest that you intentionally conflate "Israel" w/"Jews?"

We're talking about the modern state of Israel here. You know this.

And you're even more ******* dishonest by asking that stupid question in the first place, Israel is the country our tax dollars are going to. That's the whole point of the contention, stop giving these warmongers and genocidists are *******. tax. dollars.

It's really. *******. simple.

Because you are focused solely on criticizing Israel, which is a Jewish country, with lies about genocide - while not saying a word about the countries that ARE committing genocide. The only difference? The latter aren’t Jews.

So don’t think you can focus your hate on Israel, which is driven by your attitude toward Jews, and think for minute you’re fooling anyone.

Answer me this: why are you focusing on lying about Israel - and ignoring the countries that are actually doing what you claim?

 

[Lisa558]

Its mostly because you (you, in particular, and others) are unable to (or refuse to) articulate and provide critique for the specific actions of Israel's government and then evaluate them honestly. Instead you rely on slurs, false accusations, demonization, and blood libels.

This is evident from your own posts where you claim Israel is "wrong" and "******* wrong".

These antisemites love to claim their hate for Israel has nothing to do with their hate for Jews, but why then are leftists marching around chanting “Death to Jews!” and setting up “No Jew Zones!” on liberal campuses?

Or, to bring it back to this site, why did one of the antisemites here insist that his hate for Israel had nothing to do with their fact that it’s a Jewish country, and then - in the same post - say America won’t be “pushed around by a JEWiSH bully”?