It is about OIL...but not like you think

[boss13]

Our president messed up his message with the WMD argument. Hingsight being 20-20.
The reason for the attack on Afghanistan, Iraq, and then anyother OPEC nation is very simply when you tie 911 with mideast terrorism, at all points back to oil.
Oil is the reason any of the terrorist has an avenue into our country to do what they did. Whether directly tied to a terrorist group or not, all are indirectly tethered. From EVERY dollar of mideast oil a piece of that dollar finds its way into a terrorist organization. Either from directly funding them (Jordan) or as a means of protection (Saudi) from the terrorist group itself.
But it is all about oil.
What we began to do in Iraq is turn off the spigot. Without oil revenues, there are no means for these acts. It takes money to do what they did. Without oil revenues, our borders are suddenly safer 1000 times over.
THIS is the message we should be preaching (for the benefit of other OPEC nations). This is the case the American people will understand, accept and support because 911 was so close to us.

Without oil revenues, the peoples of the mideast, kings, princes, paupers would soon return to sheep herding and bedoins. They have no other natural resources. It would be as biblical times once again.

Friends, its all about oil. It is the lifeblood of terrorism of this type. Remove it, and it dies.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

If we really were the evil empire the libs say we are, we'd just go in and take it. But we don't. We pay for it. And yes, those fuckers spend some of the profit to energize hatred against us. It's called playing two sides against each other for your own benefit. That's why libs support the terrorist so much, they admire their destructvie tactics.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by boss13
Friends, its all about oil. It is the lifeblood of terrorism of this type. Remove it, and it dies.

WRONG.

Remove Islam, and it dies.

Oil is a far second. Islam is the issue as illustrated anywhere in the world according to the history of it.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by NewGuy
WRONG.

Remove Islam, and it dies.

Oil is a far second. Islam is the issue as illustrated anywhere in the world according to the history of it.

But radicals with no money aren't nearly as dangerous. That's really the main point here.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
But radicals with no money aren't nearly as dangerous. That's really the main point here.

1. "Radicals" is not an applicable term. By this, all people following a rulebook as in sports would be "radicals".

2. Rocks and hand-to-hand weapons are free, basic explosives components and firearms components can cost you less than you think, and history books are repleat with examples of how Islam spreads without resources.

3. The main point is to mention oil as being the prime motivator. It is not such in the mideast. Oil is a moneymaker, not their primary war maker. Anyone reading the koran would know that.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by NewGuy
1. "Radicals" is not an applicable term. By this, all people following a rulebook as in sports would be "radicals".

2. Rocks and hand-to-hand weapons are free, basic explosives components and firearms components can cost you less than you think, and history books are repleat with examples of how Islam spreads without resources.

3. The main point is to mention oil as being the prime motivator. It is not such in the mideast. Oil is a moneymaker, not their primary war maker. Anyone reading the koran would know that.

But still. If they had less money. They'd be less of a threat. That's just true.

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by NewGuy
3. The main point is to mention oil as being the prime motivator.

I don't believe it is the prime motivator but the prime finiancial supporter.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

Remove Islam, and it dies.

Removing Islam would work, but thats IMPOSSIBLE. Removing the oil supply is feasible though and a much better idea.

 

[boss13]

Look back at the pre -1950's mideast. You still had internal terrorism, but it was very confined to that area. In that respect, it is as Islamic thing. But the territory hadnt advanced much beyond there bedoin days, and most still havent.
Take away the oil, and they would be right back there. If we had gone in and dismantled Syria, Lebanon and Jordan would have fallen in line and kicked Al Quaedia out or turned them in. Saudi would be shaking in their boots (sandals).

Want to drive DOWN the price of oil? Threaten, repeat THREATEN to drill in Anwar. Create studies to show the US will cut oil imports by up to 25-30%, maybe more.
OPEC will almost immediately attempt to make it economically disadvantageous to drill there. How? Either raising the oil output or cutting the per barrel price of oil. That will also create instability in the cartel as the smaller OPEC nations couldnt survive long at their current standard of living without the US market.

Every now and then, we publish pictures in the USA Today showing oil freighters heading toward the north in the Pacific ocean.

Reagan essentially bankrupted the Soviets with such a hand.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

How about instead of drilling in ANWAR which only has one global year supply of oil, we start on renewable resources.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
How about instead of drilling in ANWAR which only has one global year supply of oil, we start on renewable resources.

Let's do both.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

Let's do both.

If the gov't was actually willing to committ to renewable resources, I wouldn't care if the gov't wiped out every animal in the ANWAR region.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
If the gov't was actually willing to committ to renewable resources, I wouldn't care if the gov't wiped out every animal in the ANWAR region.

Commit to what? Allowing the economy(and humans) to just suffer until our needs can be met through renewable means? What do you want a commitment to?

 

[Palestinian Jew]

I want a commitment to a Hydrogen economy. It would cost billions, yes, but so does a war against terrorists who get their money from oil.

 

[boss13]

I dont know much about hydrogen power, but would like the discussion.

I had a friend recently suggest to me a hydrogen cell for running our automobiles.

Our friend here has suggested a Hydrogen Economy, and its expense.

<Shakes head>

This should be turned over to private enterprise and the reality will follow: Due to environmental reasons, the United States government lets the major auto manufacturers in a an evolving plan. The US market will only allow hydrogen fuel celled cars to be sold after 2010 in the United States.

<There is one major problem (political) with this.>

The way the government here "helps" is to offer outstanding incentives (tax and proprietary) to the industry. The bigger and better the pricing brought to market, the better the incentives. All can compete and be rewarded as long as certain market standards are met. (this would lower OPEC oil as well)

The US doesnt flex its sizable economic muscle often enough. We ARE the worlds market, buy (pun intended) a huge margin. Americans spend money like no others.

Then all the plants and animals will be safe. The smart money will invest in insecticides and pest controls by the year 2020.

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
If we really were the evil empire the libs say we are, we'd just go in and take it. But we don't. We pay for it. And yes, those fuckers spend some of the profit to energize hatred against us. It's called playing two sides against each other for your own benefit. That's why libs support the terrorist so much, they admire their destructvie tactics.

Yes!

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by NewGuy
WRONG.

Remove Islam, and it dies.

Oil is a far second. Islam is the issue as illustrated anywhere in the world according to the history of it.

Remove RADICAL ISLAM. It is hard to believe, but there are some real Muslims out there.

 

[igor]

it is about oil, but USA cannot tolerate terrorism forever.
Also USA has moral obligations to the world as the only superpower to insure order and to stop states that are exporting violence over their borders by all means.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Gop guy
Remove RADICAL ISLAM. It is hard to believe, but there are some real Muslims out there.

Believe what you want. Read the koran. There is no such thing as a radical when they are following the text. You are spewing soundbites with no facts.

 

[jimnyc]

Welcome to the board, igor