Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

[aris2chat]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

Aris, haven't you been told that Mensa...er... Montelatici is the second smartest person in the world?

Mensa is only the 98th percentile. I doubt Monty is above a high average or superior which would not even qualify. Even Prometheus wouldn't mean he is knowledgeable on a subject. You are not born with knowledge, you have to acquire it.

 

[Billo_Really]

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-242.pdf

From the authors of 242 to explain what was meant

So although Arab officials claim Resolution 242 requires Israel to withdraw from all territory it captured in June 1967, nowhere in the resolution is that demand delineated.

Take those bullshit talking points and shove them up your ******* ass!

242 doesn't say what you claim it does.

de·lin·e·ate

describe or portray (something) precisely

This describes precisely what the Israeli's needed to do...

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

Nor did those involved in the negotiations and drafting of the resolution want such a requirement. Instead, they say Resolution 242 explicitly and intentionally omitted the terms ‘the territories’ or ‘all territories.’

Because there is no need to include them.

Professor Eugene Rostow, then U.S. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, went on record in 1991 to make this clear:
“Resolution 242, which as undersecretary of state for political affairs between 1966 and 1969 I helped produce, calls on the parties to make peace and allows Israel to administer the territories it occupied in 1967 until ‘a just and lasting peace in the Middle East’ is achieved. When such a peace is made, Israel is required to withdraw its armed forces ‘from territories’ it occupied during the Six-Day War

Now THAT, is not in the resolution.

Referring to Resolution 242, Lord Caradon added:

“It would have been wrong to demand that Israel return to its positions of 4 June 1967. … That's why we didn't demand that the Israelis return to them and I think we were right not to.”

242 didn't give a shit where Israel went, as long as it got the **** off land it seized in the war.

Arthur J. Goldberg,8 the U.S. Ambassador to the UN in 1967 and a key draftee of Resolution 242, stated:
“The notable omissions in language used to refer to withdrawal are the words the, all, and the June 5, 1967 lines. I refer to the English text of the resolution. The French and Soviet texts differ from the English in this respect, but the English text was voted on by the Security Council, and thus it is determinative. In other words, there is lacking a declaration requiring Israel to withdraw from the (or all the) territories occupied by it on and after June 5, 1967. Instead, the resolution stipulates withdrawal from occupied territories without defining the extent of withdrawal. And it can be inferred from the incorporation of the words secure and recognized boundaries that the territorial adjustments to be made by the parties in their peace settlements could encompass less than a complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from occupied territories.

**** your talking points and **** you!

That dog doesn't hunt!

And the second part applies as much to the Palestinians as it does to Israel.


The legal land owners did as they were the LoN who were given land title by the Ottomans who had owned the land for 600 years. The Palestinians were recent migrants to the area

The entire free world says you're a fuckin' liar!

Because the ISLAMONAZI UNSC has not drafted one, but has drafted those 100 that have all been defeated in the UNGC

Oh, shut-up!

That was actually illegal as it breached the terms of the mandate and the treaties signed by the arab leaders. The maps I have produced show the agreed homeland for the Jews that was entrenched in INTERNATIONAL LAW at the time. What you have produced is the UN partition plan that was forced through by the grand mufti with threats of violence and terrorist activity.

You should really read some proper history books.

Go **** yourself!

 

[Billo_Really]

That is how long the attacks on the Jews have been going on, not the paltry 67 years you claim the Jews have been attacking the Palestinians. The Israelis are defending against constant attacks and have been since may 1948

Those attacks were in response to Zionist aggression.

You fuckers fired the first shot!

 

[Billo_Really]

**** Palestine.

It is effectively impossible (and totally irrational, anyway) to sit down for "negotiations" at a peace talk meeting with an opposing party who denies your right to even exist.

Why on Earth our dumbfuck flop of a Secretary of State, John F'n Kerry, and his idiot boss, the sub-cretin level stupid President Barack Hussein Obumbler are busy giving shit to Israel under such circumstances is inexplicable in a rational world.

**** Palestine and **** the pressure put on Israel by the U.S. government.

States don't have rights, dumbass, people do.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

Israelis never complied with Oslo.

And besides that, Oslo is invalid.

The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed
by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power
and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent
national authorities from being put under pressure to make conces-
sions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken
its legal rights.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

 

[aris2chat]

And besides that, Oslo is invalid.

Oslo is dead. There is a difference.

Palestinians did not implement their obligation in the accord.

 

[Phoenall]

Must have been when they were on the moon as in 2006 the numbers of attacks increased .

Oh really?

Remember These Children 2006 Memorial

Yawn ..... The Palestinian Hypocrite . If these kids were Israeli the Palestinians would be handing out Candy . One of the many reasons I couldn't give a SHIT

Under INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS those children were murdered by the Palestinians because they forced them to live on the front line and made them into human shields. The UN should be making examples of the Palestinian leaders and charging them with crimes against humanity and hauling them up before the ICJ

 

[Phoenall]

As soon as they break it; right now, it's Israel.




Enforcing UNSC Resolution 242, is not against the Charter.

Why ask commitments from others, when the Israeli's don't keep theirs?

Terrorism, targeting children, targeting civilians, blood libels and illegal weapons are all breaches of International law and are carried out by the Palestinians. So enforce International Law

Which aspect of 242 would that be then, as you have been shown that 242 does not demand Israel do anything but negotiate.

Israel has always asked for peace talks with no conditions, they offered Arafat more than the Palestinians are demanding now after signing away 60% of the west bank.

No international law states that occupied peoples can't resist with or without weapons.

The Israelis are the ones that target children and civilians. The IDF have killed thousands of Palestinian children, women and civilians in general, 10-20 times more than the few Israeli Jews killed.

Yes it does if the act was an illegal one when the land was occupied, and it also states that fighting from hiding is illegal. The Israelis do not target civilians and children they are placed on the front line by cowardly Palestinian muslims. In fact under International Law in the Geneva conventions the Palestinians are the ones that murdered those women and children. Another fact hamas would rather build tunnels to smuggle in weapons and to kidnap Israelis than to build shelters for their people.

But then brainwashed ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS don't understand that the law works for Israel and against the Palestinian terrorists.

 

[Phoenall]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

 

[toastman]

That is how long the attacks on the Jews have been going on, not the paltry 67 years you claim the Jews have been attacking the Palestinians. The Israelis are defending against constant attacks and have been since may 1948

Those attacks were in response to Zionist aggression.

You fuckers fired the first shot!

Bullshit!! Israeli attacks were a result of Arab aggression.


In fact, Arab aggression is responsible for every war fought with Israel.

 

[toastman]

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

What did you find in that article to be untrue??

 

[toastman]

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-242.pdf

From the authors of 242 to explain what was meant

So although Arab officials claim Resolution 242 requires Israel to withdraw from all territory it captured in June 1967, nowhere in the resolution is that demand delineated.

Take those bullshit talking points and shove them up your ******* ass!

242 doesn't say what you claim it does.

de·lin·e·ate

describe or portray (something) precisely

This describes precisely what the Israeli's needed to do...



Because there is no need to include them.
Now THAT, is not in the resolution.
242 didn't give a shit where Israel went, as long as it got the **** off land it seized in the war.
**** your talking points and **** you!

That dog doesn't hunt!

The entire free world says you're a fuckin' liar!

Because the ISLAMONAZI UNSC has not drafted one, but has drafted those 100 that have all been defeated in the UNGC

Oh, shut-up!

That was actually illegal as it breached the terms of the mandate and the treaties signed by the arab leaders. The maps I have produced show the agreed homeland for the Jews that was entrenched in INTERNATIONAL LAW at the time. What you have produced is the UN partition plan that was forced through by the grand mufti with threats of violence and terrorist activity.

You should really read some proper history books.

Go **** yourself!

Billo PMS ALERT! BILLO PMS ALERT!

 

[P F Tinmore]

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

What did you find in that article to be untrue??

First line out the gate.

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad published a plan in August 2009 to unilaterally declare statehood after a two-year state-building process. -

Fayyad has never been the prime minister of Palestine.

 

[toastman]

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

What did you find in that article to be untrue??

First line out the gate.

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad published a plan in August 2009 to unilaterally declare statehood after a two-year state-building process. -

Fayyad has never been the prime minister of Palestine.

Salam Fayyad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, he was.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What did you find in that article to be untrue??

First line out the gate.

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad published a plan in August 2009 to unilaterally declare statehood after a two-year state-building process. -

Fayyad has never been the prime minister of Palestine.

Salam Fayyad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, he was.

From your link. Thank you.

His first, appointment on 15 June 2007, which was justified by the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas on the basis of "national emergency", was not confirmed by the Palestinian Legislative Council.[1]

Article 79

4. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of the Ministers shall assume their duties until they have obtained the confidence of the Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

Next paragraph.

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. - See more at: A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed
by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power
and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent
national authorities from being put under pressure to make conces-
sions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken
its legal rights.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

Shall I continue?

 

[Phoenall]

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

People who know a lot more that you do and are not afraid to repeat it.

The fact remains that Oslo is still in existence and one more the Palestinians are in breach of International Law. Time for some UN resolutions to curb their illegal behaviour.

 

[Billo_Really]

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

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There isn't any international law that supports your fucked up brain!

The Jordan Valley in the Palestinian West Bank is under active annexation to Israel – in breach of the 4th Geneva Convention.

Anytime one party to an "agreement" doesn't live up to their obligations under that "agreement", they are found to be in breach of said "agreement". And when one party is in breach of an "agreement", that "agreement", is no longer enforceable.

Israel was found in breach of Oslo years ago.

Oslo hopes betrayed

Much of the Jordan Valley was designated in Oslo 2 as Area C – the 60% of the West Bank where Israel has complete control, and has used it systematically to force Palestinians out in the 20 years since the false hope of the first Oslo Accords in 1993.

In Area C construction is prohibited, no water or electricity connection allowed, schools and water pumps put up by aid agencies are destroyed, health care is almost absent. Israeli settlements, outposts and military bases proliferate.

Five thousand Palestinians live in 38 communities in parts of Area C like these designated as ‘firing zones’ for military training. An occasional crump of artillery could be heard in the distance, and twice we saw soldiers in the hills or on the road.

That is not what Oslo promised.

You are a god-damn cancer to this planet and all of humanity.

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[Billo_Really]

Billo PMS ALERT! BILLO PMS ALERT!

You're saying "I" have PMS, when you're too ***** to criticize Israel's failure to negotiate in good faith?

Maybe it's because you live in a fascist, fucked up country, that criminalizes dissent and its citizens don't have the stones to change things?

Criminalizing Criticism of Israel in Canada

Bill C-13, A “Digital Trojan Horse for the Surveillance State”

Have a nice day!

 

[toastman]

First line out the gate.



Fayyad has never been the prime minister of Palestine.

Salam Fayyad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, he was.

From your link. Thank you.





Next paragraph.

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. - See more at: A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed
by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power
and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent
national authorities from being put under pressure to make conces-
sions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken
its legal rights.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

Shall I continue?

You said be was NEVER Prime Minister of Palestine.
The FIRST line in that link:

Salam Fayyad (Arabic: سلام فياض*, Salām Fayāḍ; born 2 April 1952) is a Palestinian politician and former Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority and briefly the first Prime Minister of the State of Palestine (January to June 2013)

What does all the drivel you posted have to do with you claim that the previous article lied about Fayyad ever being Prime Minister of Palestine????