Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

[toastman]

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spit of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube

I guess you don't know what renouncing terrorism and ending all belligerency against Israel means.
Your video did not prove anything. A truce is not what I asked for and neither is a 9 minute video.
Another fail.

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.

Of course Hamas made it seem like it was them who stopped suicide bombings, when in reality, it was the wall and tighter security that stopped suicide bombings.

 

[toastman]

And that STILL doesnt show how the Palestinians renounced terrorism and ended all belligerency against Israel.

But I applaud you for at least trying

 

[P F Tinmore]

I guess you don't know what renouncing terrorism and ending all belligerency against Israel means.
Your video did not prove anything. A truce is not what I asked for and neither is a 9 minute video.
Another fail.

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.

Of course Hamas made it seem like it was them who stopped suicide bombings, when in reality, it was the wall and tighter security that stopped suicide bombings.

You can believe that lie if you like. The wall was far from complete in 2006 and it is still not complete.

 

[toastman]

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.

Of course Hamas made it seem like it was them who stopped suicide bombings, when in reality, it was the wall and tighter security that stopped suicide bombings.

You can believe that lie if you like. The wall was far from complete in 2006 and it is still not complete.

And you can believe are your lies, including the one that Hamas is the one that stopped suicide bombings, because they said so LOL .

Tell us, why did Hamas decide to stop them when they were still in a state of war with Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course Hamas made it seem like it was them who stopped suicide bombings, when in reality, it was the wall and tighter security that stopped suicide bombings.

You can believe that lie if you like. The wall was far from complete in 2006 and it is still not complete.

And you can believe are your lies, including the one that Hamas is the one that stopped suicide bombings, because they said so LOL .

Tell us, why did Hamas decide to stop them when they were still in a state of war with Israel?

Hamas in call to end suicide bombings | World news | The Observer

 

[proudveteran06]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=30

Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

Michele Chabin, Special for USA TODAY 1:41 p.m. EDT April 11, 2014

JERUSALEM — The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide.

What a stupid demand! Can you get any more arrogant and narcissistic?

Israel is a state. It exists. There. There's your recognition. Now move on to the next item, you little baby's.
Tell us why there should be a " Palestinian state" but not a Jewish State, You racist

Public sentiment and the positions of political leaders for the Israelis and the Palestinians indicate that neither side will bend on the issue Israel says is critical, which means peace talks pursued by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had little chance of working from the start.

It had little chance of working, because Israel never wanted peace in the first place.

As long as the occupation continues, there's no reason to do anything "for" Israel.
You mean accept Borders that until now the Arabs rejected? That will never happen. Please tell us why those Borders were rejected in the first place

Israel has in the past offered compromises on hurdles such as settlements on disputed land. But the refusal by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to concede that Israel is a Jewish state is a deal-breaker, says Steinberg.

It's not "disputed" land; it's "occupied" land and Israel needs to get the **** off it!


Never happen : You ****** ! That land was not " Palestinian" before 67 and isn't now. It was part of Jordan and Egypt. !!!

The refusal means Israel has no confidence that a Palestinian state on its border will end the decades-long attempt by Arab nations to destroy it, so there is no reason to agree to a two-state solution, he says.

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation.

That is the first step.

The " first step?" What is the " second step?" Tell us exactly what the Palestinians are doing to promote " peace" There will. E no response.

Israel's most religious sites are in E. Jerusalem . Israel will never be deprived of them again or allow " Right of Return" which in time would annex Israel to the Palestinian State.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel's most religious sites are in E. Jerusalem . Israel will never be deprived of them again or allow " Right of Return" which in time would annex Israel to the Palestinian State.

Israel has no other choice.

Either it does so voluntarily, or it will be forced to.

Just like we did in WWII.

You either obey the law, or be forced to obey the law.

Those are the only two options on the table.

 

[Billo_Really]

Btw, why would Abbas agree on a treaty with Israel when he knows he will likely get assassinated by a religious extremist who is opposed to any kind of peace with Israel?
Why would Abbas agree on a treaty with Israel when he and the Palestinians are in their eternal victim position where they are receiving hundreds of millions in aid?

I dunno...

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel's most religious sites are in E. Jerusalem . Israel will never be deprived of them again or allow " Right of Return" which in time would annex Israel to the Palestinian State.

Israel has no other choice.

Either it does so voluntarily, or it will be forced to.

Just like we did in WWII.

You either obey the law, or be forced to obey the law.

Those are the only two options on the table.

Another stupid example by a stupid Pro Palestinian . Borders were recognized BEFORE Hitler invaded . Hitler was the agressor. The Arabs did not accept those Borders and they were the agressor . Israel will never be deprived of their religious sites again or allow " Right of Return ".

 

[Phoenall]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=30

Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

Michele Chabin, Special for USA TODAY 1:41 p.m. EDT April 11, 2014

JERUSALEM — The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide.

What a stupid demand! Can you get any more arrogant and narcissistic?

Israel is a state. It exists. There. There's your recognition. Now move on to the next item, you little baby's.

Public sentiment and the positions of political leaders for the Israelis and the Palestinians indicate that neither side will bend on the issue Israel says is critical, which means peace talks pursued by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had little chance of working from the start.

It had little chance of working, because Israel never wanted peace in the first place.

As long as the occupation continues, there's no reason to do anything "for" Israel.

Israel has in the past offered compromises on hurdles such as settlements on disputed land. But the refusal by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to concede that Israel is a Jewish state is a deal-breaker, says Steinberg.

It's not "disputed" land; it's "occupied" land and Israel needs to get the **** off it!

The refusal means Israel has no confidence that a Palestinian state on its border will end the decades-long attempt by Arab nations to destroy it, so there is no reason to agree to a two-state solution, he says.

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation.

That is the first step.

Palestine is a state, it exists and it is still being belligerent so International law keeps it occupied and sanctioned.

As long as the Palestinians are in breach of the UN charter and International law the occupation and sanctions will remain.

according to International law Israel occupying disputed land and they do not need to leave

If the West Bank and Gaza were indeed occupied territory – belonging to someone else and unjustly seized by force – there could be no grounds for negotiating new borders


If the Palestinians wanted peace they would abide by International law and the UN charter

 

[jillian]

Btw, why would Abbas agree on a treaty with Israel when he knows he will likely get assassinated by a religious extremist who is opposed to any kind of peace with Israel?
Why would Abbas agree on a treaty with Israel when he and the Palestinians are in their eternal victim position where they are receiving hundreds of millions in aid?

I dunno...

of course you don't. reality doesn't make it's way into jew hating minds.

when arafat had 98% of what he wanted he refused to make a deal because he would be "drinking tea with rabin".

so go whine elsewhere

 

[Phoenall]

This comment truly shows how much knowledge you lack about this conflict.
Let me ask you, what have the Palestinians done that proves to Israel that they can be trusted if Israel demolishes the wall, takes down all checkpoints and remove all forces from the territory?

They waited 37 years before shooting rockets.

That's pretty patient, if you ask me.

Also, you're forgetting that Israel already made offers to end the 'occupation', like the one that Arafart the aids ridden thief rejected. Or the one that Abbas rejected.
It's not only about ending the 'occupation' you moron, Abbas wants right of return , the releasing of thousands of Palestinian murderers AND full sovereignty over E. Jerusalem where the most holy sites for Jews are located.
None of that is ever going to take place. Ever. Never ever. Get it? Got it? Good Billo!

You don't "offer" to end an occupation, you just end it.

If jews have the right to return after 2000 years, why can't indigenous arabs return after 70 years? They were driven from their homes against their will by jewish terrorist groups, international law is on their side, not yours.

I don't see how you can call "thousands of Palestinian's murderers", when most of them are being held without charges?

East Jerusalem is not Israel's. Was never given to Israel. And will never be Israel's.

Que pasa, mutha?

They have never stopped attacking the Jews since 632C.E. so it is Israel that has been patient.

No you negotiate a settlement that includes mutually agreed borders, see UN res 242 for the details. Even that does not tell the Israelis to leave the occupied land until the negotiations have been concluded.

It is not a right of return but a re-birth on land that is sacred to the Jews bequeathed by the lands legal owners. It is the Palestinians that are there illegally.

It was as the maps from the period show

 

[Phoenall]

If the Palestinians wanted peace, they would renounce terrorism and end ALL BELLIGERENCY against Israel.

They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

Must have been when they were on the moon as in 2006 the numbers of attacks increased .

 

[jillian]

If the Palestinians wanted peace, they would renounce terrorism and end ALL BELLIGERENCY against Israel.

They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

1. that's a lie. they never have.

2. as for their leaders? you men the terrorists of hamas who lobbed a thousand missiles into israel before israel retaliated?

d'uh

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

They did more than that, they unilaterally honored a ceasefire (that the Israeli's would not commit to) for 4 months, that didn't end until Israel launched a commando raid into Gaza.

CNN Finally Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

Massive fail on your part as this is the result of your link

This video does not exist.

Sorry about that.

 

[Phoenall]

Ah, there the billo-blobbo goes again, spouting whatever nonsense has been wandering through his booze-soaked brain........ No citations, no links, just more billo-babble.

I know he hasn't really gotten started on tonight's bender - but it's late here in the East and I'm not feeling all that wonderful, so I don't think I'll stick around for the second act, etc......

Another hit and run personal attack.

Why is it non-sense?

Because everyone saw the Palestinians firing rockets from the very begining

 

[jillian]

Ah, there the billo-blobbo goes again, spouting whatever nonsense has been wandering through his booze-soaked brain........ No citations, no links, just more billo-babble.

I know he hasn't really gotten started on tonight's bender - but it's late here in the East and I'm not feeling all that wonderful, so I don't think I'll stick around for the second act, etc......

Another hit and run personal attack.

Why is it non-sense?

you think jew-haters deserve politeness?

i'd get over that if i were you. people don't generally like people who want them dead.

 

[Phoenall]

They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spite of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGx3-1gAnQ]Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube[/ame]

Here we go the figures that show hamas never stopped attacking Israel

2006[edit]

1,777 rockets were fired at Israel in 2006.[1]





Rocket attack on Mitzpe Hila, 2006February 3, 2006A Qassam rocket struck a family's house in the western Negev village of Karmia, moderately injuring four people, including a 7-month-old baby.[16]March 28, 2006Islamic Jihad fired a 122 mm Katyusha rocket from the Gaza Strip into Israel.[17] Near the Kibbutz Nachal Oz two Israeli-Arabs (Salam Ziadin and Khalid, 16, a Bedouin father and son) are killed when a dormant Qassam rocket they find in the Nahal Oz area explodes. Katyushas, frequently used by Hezbollah in Lebanon, had never before been fired from Gaza. Larger numbers of Qassam rockets began landing in the Western Negev in March 2006: 49 in March, 64 in April, 46 in May, and over 83 by the end of June. Most of the rocket launches prior to 2006 were carried out by Islamic Jihad but following Hamas's election victory, other groups such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement have been claimed to take over the firings.March 30, 2006Two Qassam rockets landed in kibbutz Karmia, south of Ashkelon, one of them in a football field, where children played only hours earlier, and injured one person.[18]June 11, 2006Three people are wounded, one critically when a Qassam landed near the Sapir Academic College near the Negev town of Sderot.[19] 14 Qassams are fired throughout the day.[20]July 4, 2006A Qassam rocket hits a High school at the Israeli city Ashkelon. The rocket was launched by Hamas militants from the town of Beit Hanun in the northern Gaza strip.[21]July 6, 200610 Qassam rockets are launched at Israeli towns from the northern Gaza Strip, inflicting damage but no casualties.[22]July 7, 2006Three Israeli civilians are wounded when a Qassam rocket lands in a basketball court in Sderot.[23][24]July 9, 2006An Israeli civilian is moderately wounded as a Qassam rocket strikes his private car in Sderot. Another rocket directly hits a house in Sderot, causing severe damage but no casualties.[25][26]July 27, 2006A Qassam rocket landed next to a kindergarten in a community south of Ashkelon at 10:45 a.m. Friday. Two children were lightly wounded and eight more people suffered shock. Additionally, the kindergarten building was damaged.[27]September 20, 2006Two teenage Israeli Arab shepherds were moderately wounded by two Qassam rockets fired from Gaza.[28]November 15, 2006Twelve rockets in four separate attacks hit Sderot, killing Faina Slutzker, 57, and seriously wounding two others. One of the wounded, Maor Peretz, a security guard, lost both legs in the attack.[29]November 21, 2006A Qassam rocket struck a factory and hit 43 year-old Yaakov Yaakobov, fatally wounding him.[30]

 

[Phoenall]

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spit of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube

I guess you don't know what renouncing terrorism and ending all belligerency against Israel means.
Your video did not prove anything. A truce is not what I asked for and neither is a 9 minute video.
Another fail.

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.

After they realised that they could no longer get into Israel and target children, it took them a long time to understand they were being turned back at the border.

 

[Phoenall]

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.

Of course Hamas made it seem like it was them who stopped suicide bombings, when in reality, it was the wall and tighter security that stopped suicide bombings.

You can believe that lie if you like. The wall was far from complete in 2006 and it is still not complete.

Complete enough to bring a halt to suicide bombings as the parts not covered by the fence are patrolled and have a shoot to kill policy on anyone trying to get in.