Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

[aris2chat]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

Israelis never complied with Oslo.

And besides that, Oslo is invalid.

The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed
by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power
and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent
national authorities from being put under pressure to make conces-
sions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken
its legal rights.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

The very existence of the PA was part of the Oslo accord. If you claim Oslo invalid the so is the PA, which puts leadership back to the PLO, of which Hamas is not a member. It then makes Hamas's "election" and control of gaza illegal....etc., etc., putting Israel as the "authority" in both the WB and gaza.

Every agreement is a process, each side gives a little, small steps up but moving in the right direction. Remove a step, it all falls down.
You can't go from the 13rd floor to the 100th without building a good foundation, well planned floor and the step leading to the top. Negotiation is not an express elevator.

Israel has been trying but for Abbas to make an outrageous demand instead of what was already agreed, of course Israel would say no.

 

[toastman]

Billo PMS ALERT! BILLO PMS ALERT!

You're saying "I" have PMS, when you're too ***** to criticize Israel's failure to negotiate in good faith?

Maybe it's because you live in a fascist, fucked up country, that criminalizes dissent and its citizens don't have the stones to change things?

Criminalizing Criticism of Israel in Canada

Bill C-13, A “Digital Trojan Horse for the Surveillance State”

Have a nice day!

As I was saying, Billo PMS alert!!

And what does Canada have to do with the fact that you cannot contain yourself when someone says something you disagree with?
What does Canada have to do with you constantly telling people :"**** you! Go **** yourself!!" or calling female posters 'dishrag whores' like you did the other day.

You are one angry, miserable person Billo !

 

[Billo_Really]

Bullshit!! Israeli attacks were a result of Arab aggression.


In fact, Arab aggression is responsible for every war fought with Israel.

Arabs were not the ones who moved to Palestine, Zionists were.





And you can verify all the numbers from this link.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israelis never complied with Oslo.

And besides that, Oslo is invalid.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

The very existence of the PA was part of the Oslo accord. If you claim Oslo invalid the so is the PA, which puts leadership back to the PLO, of which Hamas is not a member. It then makes Hamas's "election" and control of gaza illegal....etc., etc., putting Israel as the "authority" in both the WB and gaza.

Every agreement is a process, each side gives a little, small steps up but moving in the right direction. Remove a step, it all falls down.
You can't go from the 13rd floor to the 100th without building a good foundation, well planned floor and the step leading to the top. Negotiation is not an express elevator.

Israel has been trying but for Abbas to make an outrageous demand instead of what was already agreed, of course Israel would say no.

The very existence of the PA was part of the Oslo accord. If you claim Oslo invalid the so is the PA,...

The PA was originally created and Arafat was appointed by foreign powers.

However, the Palestinians created a new government with the Palestinian basic law (constitution) of 2002 and amended in 2003. This amendment created the position of prime minister. The cabinet and almost all executive power was moved away from the president.

The unity government of March 2007 was the last legally constituted government in Palestine. Remnants of that legal government are still in Gaza while the government in the West Bank is based on lies.

 

[Billo_Really]

As I was saying, Billo PMS alert!!

And what does Canada have to do with the fact that you cannot contain yourself when someone says something you disagree with?
What does Canada have to do with you constantly telling people :"**** you! Go **** yourself!!" or calling female posters 'dishrag whores' like you did the other day.

You are one angry, miserable person Billo !

That was harsh!

And I never said "dishrag".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bullshit!! Israeli attacks were a result of Arab aggression.


In fact, Arab aggression is responsible for every war fought with Israel.

Arabs were not the ones who moved to Palestine, Zionists were.





And you can verify all the numbers from this link.

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

 

[toastman]

Bullshit!! Israeli attacks were a result of Arab aggression.


In fact, Arab aggression is responsible for every war fought with Israel.

Arabs were not the ones who moved to Palestine, Zionists were.





And you can verify all the numbers from this link.

Wow! You just proved...... Nothing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

According to International law Oslo has not expired and is still in existence, unless of course you want to dismantle the Palestinian framework of recognition in the UN, observer status at the UN and the signing of 15 conventions. All part of the framework of the Oslo Accords

A Paradox of Peacemaking: How Fayyad?s Unilateral Statehood Plan Undermines the Legal Foundations of Israeli-Palestinian Diplomacy

The only valid legal framework between the Israelis and the Palestinians remains the 1995 Interim Agreement, which represents the source of authority for the existence of the Palestinian governance and its component institutions. The Interim Agreement established that: “Neither side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations.”

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

People who know a lot more that you do and are not afraid to repeat it.

The fact remains that Oslo is still in existence and one more the Palestinians are in breach of International Law. Time for some UN resolutions to curb their illegal behaviour.

That may be true but they are still lying sacks of crap propagandists.

 

[toastman]

Bullshit!! Israeli attacks were a result of Arab aggression.


In fact, Arab aggression is responsible for every war fought with Israel.

Arabs were not the ones who moved to Palestine, Zionists were.





And you can verify all the numbers from this link.

BTW, it wasn't Israel that attacked those 5 Arab States in 1948 and called for its annihilation , it was the other way around.
And that war was the one that paved the way for the other ones.

 

[toastman]

Load of crap site. Who are these clowns anyway.

People who know a lot more that you do and are not afraid to repeat it.

The fact remains that Oslo is still in existence and one more the Palestinians are in breach of International Law. Time for some UN resolutions to curb their illegal behaviour.

That may be true but they are still lying sacks of crap propagandists.

Oh please Tinmore! You say that about all people who don't kiss Palestinian ass!
Not to mention, you are an expert Palestinian propagandist

 

[P F Tinmore]

People who know a lot more that you do and are not afraid to repeat it.

The fact remains that Oslo is still in existence and one more the Palestinians are in breach of International Law. Time for some UN resolutions to curb their illegal behaviour.

That may be true but they are still lying sacks of crap propagandists.

Oh please Tinmore! You say that about all people who don't kiss Palestinian ass!
Not to mention, you are an expert Palestinian propagandist

I just proved two lies and backed it up with legal documents.

I am not the one spewing propaganda.

 

[MrMax]

Peace talks? What they need is to talk about the arab surrender. Peace talks are when you have a stalemate, not when you're getting the crap beaten out of you, over and over and over again, like the arabs are.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Peace talks? What they need is to talk about the arab surrender. Peace talks are when you have a stalemate, not when you're getting the crap beaten out of you, over and over and over again, like the arabs are.

It is Israel who is worried about its legitimacy.

 

[Billo_Really]

BTW, it wasn't Israel that attacked those 5 Arab States in 1948 and called for its annihilation , it was the other way around.
And that war was the one that paved the way for the other ones.

The only reason those arab states went in there, was to ensure law and order for the indigenous, non-Jewish population, that was being terrorized and murdered on a daily basis, after British authorities vacated the area.

If Zionists hadn't of been so racist and violent with arab residents, there would've never been an arab invasion.

 

[Billo_Really]

Wow! You just proved...... Nothing.

Not true.

I proved you're not willing to discuss this issue honestly.

 

[Billo_Really]

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

No need to.

Just know I got your back and this liberal don't run!

 

[toastman]

That may be true but they are still lying sacks of crap propagandists.

Oh please Tinmore! You say that about all people who don't kiss Palestinian ass!
Not to mention, you are an expert Palestinian propagandist

I just proved two lies and backed it up with legal documents.

I am not the one spewing propaganda.

What did you prove liar??

I proved that you were wrong, once again, by showing you that Fayyad WAS Prime Minister of Palestine a while ago.

 

[toastman]

Wow! You just proved...... Nothing.

Not true.

I proved you're not willing to discuss this issue honestly.

Sure I am. Problem with you is that you get too emotional and start cursing at everyone.
And you know very well that I almost always address your points and refute them. So you're not fooling anyone PMS Billo.

 

[toastman]

BTW, it wasn't Israel that attacked those 5 Arab States in 1948 and called for its annihilation , it was the other way around.
And that war was the one that paved the way for the other ones.

The only reason those arab states went in there, was to ensure law and order for the indigenous, non-Jewish population, that was being terrorized and murdered on a daily basis, after British authorities vacated the area.

If Zionists hadn't of been so racist and violent with arab residents, there would've never been an arab invasion.

Again, those 5 Arab states had nothing to do with Israel Palestine. They had no right to attack Israel from all sides. They attacked Israel' not the other way around.
And if they went in to help the Palestinians, why did the Palestinians end up losing 50% of the land allotted to them in the partition plan and still not have a state?? Not to mention the 700 000 refugees that were the end result of the war!
Ya, some help.

Funny, you always whine about how Israel attacked first in 1967, but when 5 Arab states attacked Israel first, you find some bullshit way to justify it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Sure I am. Problem with you is that you get too emotional and start cursing at everyone.

Have I cursed at you these last few posts?

BTW, whatever problems I do have, doesn't justify you deliberately being dishonest.

And you know very well that I almost always address your points and refute them. So you're not fooling anyone PMS Billo.

You don't "always address" my points, but I will give you credit you address them more than others.

As for refuting them, you try to up to a point, but then fall back into personal attacks and innuendo's, when I present evidence that leave you with no valid argument with which to rebut.