Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

[aris2chat]

Bullshit!! Israeli attacks were a result of Arab aggression.


In fact, Arab aggression is responsible for every war fought with Israel.

Arabs were not the ones who moved to Palestine, Zionists were.





And you can verify all the numbers from this link.

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so...

try
Palestine: Report on Immigration, Land Settlement and Development.
By SIR JOHN HOPE SIMPSON, C.I.E.
Presented by the Secretary of State for the Colonies to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
October, 1930

also
British White Papers 1939

 

[aris2chat]

I just proved two lies and backed it up with legal documents.

I am not the one spewing propaganda.

What did you prove liar??

I proved that you were wrong, once again, by showing you that Fayyad WAS Prime Minister of Palestine a while ago.

You didn't prove me wrong.

The liars called Fayyad prime minister.

The law said he was not.

Apr 13, 2013 - Salam Fayyad has resigned as Palestinian Prime Minister
Apr 17, 2013 - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas accepts the resignation of Prime Minister Salam Fayyad

He was PM for 5 yrs.

 

[toastman]

And that's not the inly reason they went in there. Even before Israel became a state, they threatened to "push the Jews to the sea if the Jewish state became a fact"

Because that would immediately disenfranchise the majority of non-Jewish residents.

In fact, the day after Israel declared independence, they attacked, like they said they would.

And Zionists declared independence when they had no legal jurisdiction to do so and against the request by the UN not to.

Actually, they had every jurisdiction to do so. And if the UN was against it, why were they one of the first organizations to recognize Israel??
Not to mention they were the ones behind the partition plan.

 

[toastman]

You posted nothing that said Fayyad was not PM .

His first, appointment on 15 June 2007, which was justified by the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas on the basis of "national emergency", was not confirmed by the Palestinian Legislative Council.[1]

Article 79

4. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of the Ministers shall assume their duties until they have obtained the confidence of the Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

What conclusion can you draw from those two statements?

Again, he was still the acting Prime Minister. He assumed the duties the PM .

That contradicts your original claim that he was never PM. Then once I probed you wrong, you changed your claim to 'he was never legally the PM of Palestine.

 

[member]

"Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts. (The " Palestinian State" is DOA !!!!!! )"

“Peace remains elusive and the latest Israeli-Palestinian peace talks are in disarray."

"… the hope that peace will one day be achieved and in the vision of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security."

"The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide."

Seems like they (the gang) the Palestinians, hamass, abass …are...busy with other things.

CASH-STRAPPED HAMASS TURNS TO E-BULLETS



GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - In a long hallway that looks more like a videogame arcade than a military base,
Hamas security forces (“Hamas security forces” –-- oh that sounds better instead of: ‘terrorist’)
"hamass Security Forces" are holding target practice using assault rifles fitted with lasers - all without firing a bullet."


"For the cash-strapped Hamas government, (ha, "Government").........




....the system is a much-needed money saver that eliminates the need to train with live ammunition, which is in short supply in Gaza."



“Hamas also says the quiet, indoor facility
is less likely to attract the attention of the Israeli military than the open-air firing ranges that are frequently targeted in airstrikes.”



"Our training centers are targeted all the time by the occupation, so we have a closed-door shooting range that is hidden from the occupation," said Abdallah Karmot, the deputy director of training at Hamas' Interior Ministry, which oversees security in the seaside strip of land. "We also save money and the time it takes to move officers to training camps for live shooting."



Karmot said Hamas developed the electronic shooting range with homegrown technology. The modified Kalashnikovs, powered by software developed by Hamas programmers, fire green laser beams at their targets, which mimic the sound of real rifle fire when there is a direct hit.



“The move indoors () is the latest sign of the deep financial crisis plaguing Hamas, which is suffering its worst money woes and ammunition shortage since taking power. Israel and Egypt have maintained a blockade of the seaside strip since Hamas seized power from the rival forces of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in 2007.”



"Israel considers Hamas a terrorist organization responsible for killing hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombings and other attacks. Israel and Hamas have engaged in heavy fighting over the years, most recently an eight-day battle in 2012 in which Hamas fired hundreds of rockets into Israel."



Under the blockade, Egypt looked the other way for years as cement, fuel and weapons were smuggled into Gaza through a network of tunnels running under the border with Egypt.




That changed last summer after the Egyptian military overthrew the country's Islamist president, Mohammed Morsi. Egypt's new military government cracked down on Hamas, the local offshoot of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood movement, and destroyed nearly all of the tunnels. With the tunnels out of operation, Hamas lost a key source of tax revenue and a main conduit for weapons.



"Due to the Egyptian crackdown on the tunnels, we can talk about some sort of arms crisis facing all the armed groups in Gaza, as well as the security forces that used smuggled supplies in the past," said Adnan Abu Amer, an expert on Palestinian militant groups at Gaza's Al Ummah University.



………..said Adnan Abu Amer, an expert on Palestinian militant groups at Gaza's Al Ummah University.”




“He said the prices of some weapons have nearly doubled in recent months, and the price of ammunition has tripled. "The most significant result of the tunnel demolitions has been the scarcity of weapons, ammunition and explosives," he said.”



The indoor shooting range is roughly 45 yards (40 meters) long and is located in the headquarters of the training department of the Interior Ministry. It can only handle two officers at a time. Karmot said a total of 1,700 men have used the site, and Hamas is considering the establishment of additional locations.



"This is great for me” (says Mohammed) ………………..

(Mohammed)​

". . . I can have more time in training and shoot as much as I want without worrying about a limit on bullets," said Mohammed Debo, a 22-year-old police officer."



Debo took a rifle, which was linked to a computer system by a cable, and aimed at a target posted on a wooden stand. As he pulled the trigger, green flashes of light could be seen on the target. The weapon crackled and popped with the sound of gunfire as he pulled the trigger. A trainer sitting to the side tracked the accuracy of his shots on a laptop.



Debo said the gun felt almost like the real thing, though he felt a "slight difference" in the recoil.



"The good thing is that you can walk to the hall any time, take your gun and start training," Debo said. "In live shooting, you need to move locations and make sure that there is no threat from the occupation side."

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​

 

[toastman]

Good to have you back member

 

[member]

Good to have you back member

hi.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You posted nothing that said Fayyad was not PM .

Article 79

4. Neither the Prime Minister nor any of the Ministers shall assume their duties until they have obtained the confidence of the Legislative Council.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

What conclusion can you draw from those two statements?

Again, he was still the acting Prime Minister. He assumed the duties the PM .

That contradicts your original claim that he was never PM. Then once I probed you wrong, you changed your claim to 'he was never legally the PM of Palestine.

Fayyad acted like the prime minister but he never was the prime minister.

In fact his actions exceeded the function of prime minister. He created policies that were outside the authority of that position. One example (there are more) was that he controlled the budget and spent the Palestinian's money. That is the function of the legislature not the executive.

Fayyad was illegal from top to bottom.

And that phony organization in your link called him the prime minister. They are stupid or liars.

 

[toastman]

What conclusion can you draw from those two statements?

Again, he was still the acting Prime Minister. He assumed the duties the PM .

That contradicts your original claim that he was never PM. Then once I probed you wrong, you changed your claim to 'he was never legally the PM of Palestine.

Fayyad acted like the prime minister but he never was the prime minister.

In fact his actions exceeded the function of prime minister. He created policies that were outside the authority of that position. One example (there are more) was that he controlled the budget and spent the Palestinian's money. That is the function of the legislature not the executive.

Fayyad was illegal from top to bottom.

And that phony organization in your link called him the prime minister. They are stupid or liars.

Still no link that says exactly what you do...
Everything you said is your opinion. You have nothing to back up your claim.

BTW, if he wasn't PM, then who was during that time??

 

[Billo_Really]

PMS Billo, none if the crap you just posted has anything to do with the fact that the 5 Arab states absolutely without doubt started the war.
And who in invited ti restore law and order.

And your statement about me not being able to deal with the events leading up to the war is extremely ironic when it is YOU , who cannot deal with the events leading up to the 6 day war that lead to Israels pre emptive strike.

If you admit the Israeli's started the '67 war, I'll admit the arabs started the '48 war.

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you seeing as you use biased sources all the time.

Ad hominems are not valid rebuttals.

 

[Billo_Really]

Its not PMS it is the batteries that have gone dead in his rampant rabbit

Like I don't have a battery charger?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Again, he was still the acting Prime Minister. He assumed the duties the PM .

That contradicts your original claim that he was never PM. Then once I probed you wrong, you changed your claim to 'he was never legally the PM of Palestine.

Fayyad acted like the prime minister but he never was the prime minister.

In fact his actions exceeded the function of prime minister. He created policies that were outside the authority of that position. One example (there are more) was that he controlled the budget and spent the Palestinian's money. That is the function of the legislature not the executive.

Fayyad was illegal from top to bottom.

And that phony organization in your link called him the prime minister. They are stupid or liars.

Still no link that says exactly what you do...
Everything you said is your opinion. You have nothing to back up your claim.

BTW, if he wasn't PM, then who was during that time??

Ismail Haneyia

Edit:

Anis al-Qasem, a constitutional lawyer who drafted the Basic Law, is among those who publicly declared the appointment of Fayyad to be illegal.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salam_Fayyad

 

[aris2chat]

What conclusion can you draw from those two statements?

Again, he was still the acting Prime Minister. He assumed the duties the PM .

That contradicts your original claim that he was never PM. Then once I probed you wrong, you changed your claim to 'he was never legally the PM of Palestine.

Fayyad acted like the prime minister but he never was the prime minister.

In fact his actions exceeded the function of prime minister. He created policies that were outside the authority of that position. One example (there are more) was that he controlled the budget and spent the Palestinian's money. That is the function of the legislature not the executive.

Fayyad was illegal from top to bottom.

And that phony organization in your link called him the prime minister. They are stupid or liars.

OMG! He was PM for five years till he resigned. That is not acting as PM, that is being the PM.

Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't know what you are talking about, stay quiet or ask for information. Current PM is Rami Hamdallah.
I can't see that it is at all difficult to do a simple search and actually see a list of the PMs.
If Wiki is not sufficent, try the offical palestinian site
?????? ?????????? ????? ???????
It takes seconds to find facts from a million sites.

Tin, take the time before posting to do the research instead of making a joke of yourself.

How many times are you going to keep shaming yourself? How many people have to explain it to you?

Older does not mean senile, but if you are having a problem go speak to your doctor. There are medicines and therapy that does help.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Again, he was still the acting Prime Minister. He assumed the duties the PM .

That contradicts your original claim that he was never PM. Then once I probed you wrong, you changed your claim to 'he was never legally the PM of Palestine.

Fayyad acted like the prime minister but he never was the prime minister.

In fact his actions exceeded the function of prime minister. He created policies that were outside the authority of that position. One example (there are more) was that he controlled the budget and spent the Palestinian's money. That is the function of the legislature not the executive.

Fayyad was illegal from top to bottom.

And that phony organization in your link called him the prime minister. They are stupid or liars.

OMG! He was PM for five years till he resigned. That is not acting as PM, that is being the PM.

Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't know what you are talking about, stay quiet or ask for information. Current PM is Rami Hamdallah.
I can't see that it is at all difficult to do a simple search and actually see a list of the PMs.
If Wiki is not sufficent, try the offical palestinian site
?????? ?????????? ????? ???????
It takes seconds to find facts from a million sites.

Tin, take the time before posting to do the research instead of making a joke of yourself.

How many times are you going to keep shaming yourself? How many people have to explain it to you?

Older does not mean senile, but if you are having a problem go speak to your doctor. There are medicines and therapy that does help.

The last legally constituted government in Palestine was the unity government of March 2007. There is no term limit. That government serves until legally replaced.

"It is clear from (Basic Law) Article 45 that the president has the power to dismiss the prime minister. However, under Article 78(3), the dismissed government continues to run the affairs of government temporarily as a caretaker government until the formation of the new government in the manner provided by the Basic Law.

"Under Article 79(4) of Chapter 5 (on executive authority), neither the prime minister nor any minister shall assume his office except after a vote of confidence from the Legislative Council (parliament)...

"Conclusion: The president has the power to dismiss the prime minister and to start the process of the formation of a new government. The basic ingredients of this process that give legitimacy to the new government are a vote of confidence by the Legislative Council and the oath of office.

"Until the formation of the new government in accordance with the procedure laid down in Chapter 5 of the Basic Law, the dismissed government continues to act as a caretaker government. The Basic Law contains no special provisions for what is sometimes called 'emergency government'."

TEXT-Opinion of lawyer who drafted Palestinian law | Reuters

 

[toastman]

Again Tinmore, he was PM for 5 years!! Nothing you posted can change that.

It's like saying the sky is not blue!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Again Tinmore, he was PM for 5 years!! Nothing you posted can change that.

It's like saying the sky is not blue!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[aris2chat]

Fayyad acted like the prime minister but he never was the prime minister.

In fact his actions exceeded the function of prime minister. He created policies that were outside the authority of that position. One example (there are more) was that he controlled the budget and spent the Palestinian's money. That is the function of the legislature not the executive.

Fayyad was illegal from top to bottom.

And that phony organization in your link called him the prime minister. They are stupid or liars.

OMG! He was PM for five years till he resigned. That is not acting as PM, that is being the PM.

Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't know what you are talking about, stay quiet or ask for information. Current PM is Rami Hamdallah.
I can't see that it is at all difficult to do a simple search and actually see a list of the PMs.
If Wiki is not sufficent, try the offical palestinian site
?????? ?????????? ????? ???????
It takes seconds to find facts from a million sites.

Tin, take the time before posting to do the research instead of making a joke of yourself.

How many times are you going to keep shaming yourself? How many people have to explain it to you?

Older does not mean senile, but if you are having a problem go speak to your doctor. There are medicines and therapy that does help.

The last legally constituted government in Palestine was the unity government of March 2007. There is no term limit. That government serves until legally replaced.

"It is clear from (Basic Law) Article 45 that the president has the power to dismiss the prime minister. However, under Article 78(3), the dismissed government continues to run the affairs of government temporarily as a caretaker government until the formation of the new government in the manner provided by the Basic Law.

"Under Article 79(4) of Chapter 5 (on executive authority), neither the prime minister nor any minister shall assume his office except after a vote of confidence from the Legislative Council (parliament)...

"Conclusion: The president has the power to dismiss the prime minister and to start the process of the formation of a new government. The basic ingredients of this process that give legitimacy to the new government are a vote of confidence by the Legislative Council and the oath of office.

"Until the formation of the new government in accordance with the procedure laid down in Chapter 5 of the Basic Law, the dismissed government continues to act as a caretaker government. The Basic Law contains no special provisions for what is sometimes called 'emergency government'."

TEXT-Opinion of lawyer who drafted Palestinian law | Reuters

both Arafat and Abbas have call for emergency governments. How is the PA to function, you want them all to just go home an let the PA fall to pieces? This is what happens. Fayyad was appointed and served at the pleasure of Abbas till his resignation was accepted. The government must still function and cabinet or not Fayyad served as PM for five years. That is how he is listed by the PA government sites. That is what he was.
Are you going to take the matter to palestinian court? How is that going to serve the people? PA is not the US, things don't work the same. What of the war and emergency powers act? You think the US has not found a way to function under a state of national emergency?

 

[P F Tinmore]

OMG! He was PM for five years till he resigned. That is not acting as PM, that is being the PM.

Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't know what you are talking about, stay quiet or ask for information. Current PM is Rami Hamdallah.
I can't see that it is at all difficult to do a simple search and actually see a list of the PMs.
If Wiki is not sufficent, try the offical palestinian site
?????? ?????????? ????? ???????
It takes seconds to find facts from a million sites.

Tin, take the time before posting to do the research instead of making a joke of yourself.

How many times are you going to keep shaming yourself? How many people have to explain it to you?

Older does not mean senile, but if you are having a problem go speak to your doctor. There are medicines and therapy that does help.

The last legally constituted government in Palestine was the unity government of March 2007. There is no term limit. That government serves until legally replaced.

"It is clear from (Basic Law) Article 45 that the president has the power to dismiss the prime minister. However, under Article 78(3), the dismissed government continues to run the affairs of government temporarily as a caretaker government until the formation of the new government in the manner provided by the Basic Law.

"Under Article 79(4) of Chapter 5 (on executive authority), neither the prime minister nor any minister shall assume his office except after a vote of confidence from the Legislative Council (parliament)...

"Conclusion: The president has the power to dismiss the prime minister and to start the process of the formation of a new government. The basic ingredients of this process that give legitimacy to the new government are a vote of confidence by the Legislative Council and the oath of office.

"Until the formation of the new government in accordance with the procedure laid down in Chapter 5 of the Basic Law, the dismissed government continues to act as a caretaker government. The Basic Law contains no special provisions for what is sometimes called 'emergency government'."

TEXT-Opinion of lawyer who drafted Palestinian law | Reuters

both Arafat and Abbas have call for emergency governments. How is the PA to function, you want them all to just go home an let the PA fall to pieces? This is what happens. Fayyad was appointed and served at the pleasure of Abbas till his resignation was accepted. The government must still function and cabinet or not Fayyad served as PM for five years. That is how he is listed by the PA government sites. That is what he was.
Are you going to take the matter to palestinian court? How is that going to serve the people? PA is not the US, things don't work the same. What of the war and emergency powers act? You think the US has not found a way to function under a state of national emergency?

How is the PA to function, you want them all to just go home an let the PA fall to pieces?

Not at all. Their constitution was written to prevent a power vacuum.

If they lose the president the speaker of the PLC temporarily assumes the office of the president and calls for an election within 60 days.

The government (the prime minister and his cabinet) cannot be removed it can only be replaced. The constitution lays out the procedure to do that. Abbas never followed that procedure. Abbas swore in the new government without the PLC approval that the constitution requires.

 

[MrMax]

Peace talks? What they need is to talk about the arab surrender. Peace talks are when you have a stalemate, not when you're getting the crap beaten out of you, over and over and over again, like the arabs are.

It is Israel who is worried about its legitimacy.

Says the guy who refuses to give his own land back to the indian.

hyp·o·crite [hip-uh-krit] noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

synonyms: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint; informalphony, fraud, sham, fake.