Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

[Billo_Really]

The terrorism and genocide started in 632 C.E. that is how long the "Palestinians" have been hating and attacking the Jews.

What happened 2000 years ago, doesn't give you the right to treat them like garbage now.

 

[SAYIT]

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spit of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube

I guess you don't know what renouncing terrorism and ending all belligerency against Israel means.
Your video did not prove anything. A truce is not what I asked for and neither is a 9 minute video.
Another fail.

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.

No they didn't. They simply ran out of half-wits dim enough to kill themselves while murdering Israel's bubbies and babies just to satisfy your bloodlust.

 

[Phoenall]

No you negotiate a settlement that includes mutually agreed borders, see UN res 242 for the details. Even that does not tell the Israelis to leave the occupied land until the negotiations have been concluded.

It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that at all.

This is what it says...

1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;​

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;​

It tells Israel to get the hell out of the OPT and to end their state of belligerency.

It never says "until a settlement can be reached". That's a bunch of BS!
Not that part of the land. The legal land owners didn't give Israel the West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza or East Jerusalem.

It is the Palestinians that are there illegally.

Then why is it, there isn't one UN resolution stating that, but over 100 stating the Israeli's are illegally occupying land that isn't theirs?

It was as the maps from the period show

Unlike your map, this one shows the partition plan.

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-242.pdf

From the authors of 242 to explain what was meant

So although Arab officials claim Resolution 242 requires Israel to withdraw from all territory it captured in June 1967, nowhere in the resolution is that demand delineated. Nor did those involved in the negotiations and drafting of the resolution want such a requirement. Instead, they say Resolution 242 explicitly and intentionally omitted the terms ‘the territories’ or ‘all territories.’

Professor Eugene Rostow, then U.S. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, went on record in 1991 to make this clear:
“Resolution 242, which as undersecretary of state for political affairs between 1966 and 1969 I helped produce, calls on the parties to make peace and allows Israel to administer the territories it occupied in 1967 until ‘a just and lasting peace in the Middle East’ is achieved. When such a peace is made, Israel is required to withdraw its armed forces ‘from territories’ it occupied during the Six-Day War

Referring to Resolution 242, Lord Caradon added:

“It would have been wrong to demand that Israel return to its positions of 4 June 1967. … That's why we didn't demand that the Israelis return to them and I think we were right not to.”

Arthur J. Goldberg,8 the U.S. Ambassador to the UN in 1967 and a key draftee of Resolution 242, stated:
“The notable omissions in language used to refer to withdrawal are the words the, all, and the June 5, 1967 lines. I refer to the English text of the resolution. The French and Soviet texts differ from the English in this respect, but the English text was voted on by the Security Council, and thus it is determinative. In other words, there is lacking a declaration requiring Israel to withdraw from the (or all the) territories occupied by it on and after June 5, 1967. Instead, the resolution stipulates withdrawal from occupied territories without defining the extent of withdrawal. And it can be inferred from the incorporation of the words secure and recognized boundaries that the territorial adjustments to be made by the parties in their peace settlements could encompass less than a complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from occupied territories.


And the second part applies as much to the Palestinians as it does to Israel.


The legal land owners did as they were the LoN who were given land title by the Ottomans who had owned the land for 600 years. The Palestinians were recent migrants to the area

Because the ISLAMONAZI UNSC has not drafted one, but has drafted those 100 that have all been defeated in the UNGC

That was actually illegal as it breached the terms of the mandate and the treaties signed by the arab leaders. The maps I have produced show the agreed homeland for the Jews that was entrenched in INTERNATIONAL LAW at the time. What you have produced is the UN partition plan that was forced through by the grand mufti with threats of violence and terrorist activity.

You should really read some proper history books.

 

[Phoenall]

The terrorism and genocide started in 632 C.E. that is how long the "Palestinians" have been hating and attacking the Jews.

What happened 2000 years ago, doesn't give you the right to treat them like garbage now.

That is how long the attacks on the Jews have been going on, not the paltry 67 years you claim the Jews have been attacking the Palestinians. The Israelis are defending against constant attacks and have been since may 1948

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

They did more than that, they unilaterally honored a ceasefire (that the Israeli's would not commit to) for 4 months, that didn't end until Israel launched a commando raid into Gaza.

CNN Finally Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

Massive fail on your part as this is the result of your link

This video does not exist.

Sorry about that.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWOy4g7l2c]CNN Finally Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First and NOT HAMAS - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

If the Palestinians wanted peace, they would renounce terrorism and end ALL BELLIGERENCY against Israel.

They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

Must have been when they were on the moon as in 2006 the numbers of attacks increased .

Oh really?

Remember These Children 2006 Memorial

 

[IlarMeilyr]

**** Palestine.

It is effectively impossible (and totally irrational, anyway) to sit down for "negotiations" at a peace talk meeting with an opposing party who denies your right to even exist.

Why on Earth our dumbfuck flop of a Secretary of State, John F'n Kerry, and his idiot boss, the sub-cretin level stupid President Barack Hussein Obumbler are busy giving shit to Israel under such circumstances is inexplicable in a rational world.

**** Palestine and **** the pressure put on Israel by the U.S. government.

 

[aris2chat]

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

They did more than that, they unilaterally honored a ceasefire (that the Israeli's would not commit to) for 4 months, that didn't end until Israel launched a commando raid into Gaza.

CNN Finally Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

6 gunmen that fired on the Israels as they targeted an illegal tunnel that was a threat to IDF soldiers. Israel killed one and wounded five in the gun battle.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Psst. CNN REPORTING something is NOT the same thing as CNN "confirming" anything.

CNN.

Pfft.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spite of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGx3-1gAnQ]Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube[/ame]

Here we go the figures that show hamas never stopped attacking Israel

2006[edit]

1,777 rockets were fired at Israel in 2006.[1]





Rocket attack on Mitzpe Hila, 2006February 3, 2006A Qassam rocket struck a family's house in the western Negev village of Karmia, moderately injuring four people, including a 7-month-old baby.[16]March 28, 2006Islamic Jihad fired a 122 mm Katyusha rocket from the Gaza Strip into Israel.[17] Near the Kibbutz Nachal Oz two Israeli-Arabs (Salam Ziadin and Khalid, 16, a Bedouin father and son) are killed when a dormant Qassam rocket they find in the Nahal Oz area explodes. Katyushas, frequently used by Hezbollah in Lebanon, had never before been fired from Gaza. Larger numbers of Qassam rockets began landing in the Western Negev in March 2006: 49 in March, 64 in April, 46 in May, and over 83 by the end of June. Most of the rocket launches prior to 2006 were carried out by Islamic Jihad but following Hamas's election victory, other groups such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement have been claimed to take over the firings.March 30, 2006Two Qassam rockets landed in kibbutz Karmia, south of Ashkelon, one of them in a football field, where children played only hours earlier, and injured one person.[18]June 11, 2006Three people are wounded, one critically when a Qassam landed near the Sapir Academic College near the Negev town of Sderot.[19] 14 Qassams are fired throughout the day.[20]July 4, 2006A Qassam rocket hits a High school at the Israeli city Ashkelon. The rocket was launched by Hamas militants from the town of Beit Hanun in the northern Gaza strip.[21]July 6, 200610 Qassam rockets are launched at Israeli towns from the northern Gaza Strip, inflicting damage but no casualties.[22]July 7, 2006Three Israeli civilians are wounded when a Qassam rocket lands in a basketball court in Sderot.[23][24]July 9, 2006An Israeli civilian is moderately wounded as a Qassam rocket strikes his private car in Sderot. Another rocket directly hits a house in Sderot, causing severe damage but no casualties.[25][26]July 27, 2006A Qassam rocket landed next to a kindergarten in a community south of Ashkelon at 10:45 a.m. Friday. Two children were lightly wounded and eight more people suffered shock. Additionally, the kindergarten building was damaged.[27]September 20, 2006Two teenage Israeli Arab shepherds were moderately wounded by two Qassam rockets fired from Gaza.[28]November 15, 2006Twelve rockets in four separate attacks hit Sderot, killing Faina Slutzker, 57, and seriously wounding two others. One of the wounded, Maor Peretz, a security guard, lost both legs in the attack.[29]November 21, 2006A Qassam rocket struck a factory and hit 43 year-old Yaakov Yaakobov, fatally wounding him.[30]

You only need to watch between 1:42:00 to about 1:50
Of course the whole talk is very informative.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTpXBeyClM]Ali Abunimah in ABQ. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[proudveteran06]

They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

Must have been when they were on the moon as in 2006 the numbers of attacks increased .

Oh really?

Remember These Children 2006 Memorial

Yawn ..... The Palestinian Hypocrite . If these kids were Israeli the Palestinians would be handing out Candy . One of the many reasons I couldn't give a SHIT

 

[montelatici]

So when will you force the Palestinians to obey the law as you seem to think only Israel is at fault.

As soon as they break it; right now, it's Israel.




Enforcing UNSC Resolution 242, is not against the Charter.

There is only one option on the table and that is for Palestine to abide by its commitments and negotiate a mutual agreement.

Why ask commitments from others, when the Israeli's don't keep theirs?

Terrorism, targeting children, targeting civilians, blood libels and illegal weapons are all breaches of International law and are carried out by the Palestinians. So enforce International Law

Which aspect of 242 would that be then, as you have been shown that 242 does not demand Israel do anything but negotiate.

Israel has always asked for peace talks with no conditions, they offered Arafat more than the Palestinians are demanding now after signing away 60% of the west bank.

No international law states that occupied peoples can't resist with or without weapons.

The Israelis are the ones that target children and civilians. The IDF have killed thousands of Palestinian children, women and civilians in general, 10-20 times more than the few Israeli Jews killed.

 

[aris2chat]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

 

[Hossfly]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

Aris, haven't you been told that Mensa...er... Montelatici is the second smartest person in the world?

 

[Hossfly]

As soon as they break it; right now, it's Israel.




Enforcing UNSC Resolution 242, is not against the Charter.

Why ask commitments from others, when the Israeli's don't keep theirs?

Terrorism, targeting children, targeting civilians, blood libels and illegal weapons are all breaches of International law and are carried out by the Palestinians. So enforce International Law

Which aspect of 242 would that be then, as you have been shown that 242 does not demand Israel do anything but negotiate.

Israel has always asked for peace talks with no conditions, they offered Arafat more than the Palestinians are demanding now after signing away 60% of the west bank.

No international law states that occupied peoples can't resist with or without weapons.

The Israelis are the ones that target children and civilians. The IDF have killed thousands of Palestinian children, women and civilians in general, 10-20 times more than the few Israeli Jews killed.

Where do you come up with all this BS?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

 

[montelatici]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

Israelis never complied with Oslo.

 

[Hossfly]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

And are you aware that weapons in Palestinian hands are Hellfire magnets? Just thought I'd remind you.

 

[jillian]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

as soon as they stop being terrorists, no doubt someone other than terrorist supporters will care.

 

[montelatici]

Weapons by palestinians are prohibited under the Oslo accord. Palestinians have never complied with Oslo.
Yes, armed struggle against Israel under the circumstances is a violation. The formation and training of a police force was to be approved by Israel.

When Oslo expired the Palestinians passed laws stating that it was legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. Also that the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

And are you aware that weapons in Palestinian hands are Hellfire magnets? Just thought I'd remind you.

Yes, the anti-Nazi partisans had the same problem. But in the end, the Nazis were defeated. It takes time, it is a war of attrition.