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Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts


Michele Chabin, Special for USA TODAY 1:41 p.m. EDT April 11, 2014













JERUSALEM — The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide.

Public sentiment and the positions of political leaders for the Israelis and the Palestinians indicate that neither side will bend on the issue Israel says is critical, which means peace talks pursued by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had little chance of working from the start.

"After 65 years of Arab rejection and warfare, closure for Israelis can come in the form of acceptance of the legitimacy of the Jewish state, in Palestinian renunciation of refugee claims, or perhaps simply a statement that this is the end of the conflict," says Gerald Steinberg of Bar Ilan University.

Israel has in the past offered compromises on hurdles such as settlements on disputed land. But the refusal by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to concede that Israel is a Jewish state is a deal-breaker, says Steinberg.

The refusal means Israel has no confidence that a Palestinian state on its border will end the decades-long attempt by Arab nations to destroy it, so there is no reason to agree to a two-state solution, he says.


The " Palestinian State" is DOA !!!!!! :smiliehug:


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Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

Michele Chabin, Special for USA TODAY 1:41 p.m. EDT April 11, 2014

JERUSALEM — The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide.
What a stupid demand! Can you get any more arrogant and narcissistic?

Israel is a state. It exists. There. There's your recognition. Now move on to the next item, you little baby's.

Public sentiment and the positions of political leaders for the Israelis and the Palestinians indicate that neither side will bend on the issue Israel says is critical, which means peace talks pursued by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had little chance of working from the start.
It had little chance of working, because Israel never wanted peace in the first place.

"After 65 years of Arab rejection and warfare, closure for Israelis can come in the form of acceptance of the legitimacy of the Jewish state, in Palestinian renunciation of refugee claims, or perhaps simply a statement that this is the end of the conflict," says Gerald Steinberg of Bar Ilan University.
As long as the occupation continues, there's no reason to do anything "for" Israel.

Israel has in the past offered compromises on hurdles such as settlements on disputed land. But the refusal by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to concede that Israel is a Jewish state is a deal-breaker, says Steinberg.
It's not "disputed" land; it's "occupied" land and Israel needs to get the **** off it!

The refusal means Israel has no confidence that a Palestinian state on its border will end the decades-long attempt by Arab nations to destroy it, so there is no reason to agree to a two-state solution, he says.
If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation.

That is the first step.
 
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Israeli-Palestinian peace talks had no chance, say analysts

Michele Chabin, Special for USA TODAY 1:41 p.m. EDT April 11, 2014

JERUSALEM — The Palestinian refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is at the core of why a negotiated settlement between the two sides is all but dead, say experts on both sides of the divide.
What a stupid demand! Can you get any more arrogant and narcissistic?

Israel is a state. It exists. There. There's your recognition. Now move on to the next item, you little baby's.

Public sentiment and the positions of political leaders for the Israelis and the Palestinians indicate that neither side will bend on the issue Israel says is critical, which means peace talks pursued by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had little chance of working from the start.
It had little chance of working, because Israel never wanted peace in the first place.

As long as the occupation continues, there's no reason to do anything "for" Israel.

Israel has in the past offered compromises on hurdles such as settlements on disputed land. But the refusal by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to concede that Israel is a Jewish state is a deal-breaker, says Steinberg.
It's not "disputed" land; it's "occupied" land and Israel needs to get the **** off it!

The refusal means Israel has no confidence that a Palestinian state on its border will end the decades-long attempt by Arab nations to destroy it, so there is no reason to agree to a two-state solution, he says.
If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation.

That is the first step.

'If Israel wanted peace, they would end the occupation'

This comment truly shows how much knowledge you lack about this conflict.
Let me ask you, what have the Palestinians done that proves to Israel that they can be trusted if Israel demolishes the wall, takes down all checkpoints and remove all forces from the territory?

Also, you're forgetting that Israel already made offers to end the 'occupation', like the one that Arafart the aids ridden thief rejected. Or the one that Abbas rejected.
It's not only about ending the 'occupation' you moron, Abbas wants right of return , the releasing of thousands of Palestinian murderers AND full sovereignty over E. Jerusalem where the most holy sites for Jews are located.
None of that is ever going to take place. Ever. Never ever. Get it? Got it? Good Billo!
 
If the Palestinians wanted peace, they would renounce terrorism and end ALL BELLIGERENCY against Israel.
 
If the Palestinians wanted peace, they would renounce terrorism and end ALL BELLIGERENCY against Israel.
I posted this in the Barghouti thread but apparently most people missed it. Here is is again.




The Peace Process is Dead. Let it lay in Peace
by Jonathan Spyer

The April 29th deadline has not yet been reached, but it may be said with confidence that the initiative by Secretary of State John Kerry to revive the 'peace process' between Israelis and Palestinians has already reached its final destination: failure.

The failure of this initiative was obvious from the beginning. To everyone except, apparently, Kerry himself. This reality lent an element of low farce to the entire proceedings.

By now, it should really be obvious to any serious observer that there is no chance that the Israeli-Palestinian negotiating process will produce a comprehensive peace between the two sides.

http://www.meforum.org/3807/peace-process-fatah
 
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This comment truly shows how much knowledge you lack about this conflict.
Let me ask you, what have the Palestinians done that proves to Israel that they can be trusted if Israel demolishes the wall, takes down all checkpoints and remove all forces from the territory?
They waited 37 years before shooting rockets.

That's pretty patient, if you ask me.


Also, you're forgetting that Israel already made offers to end the 'occupation', like the one that Arafart the aids ridden thief rejected. Or the one that Abbas rejected.
It's not only about ending the 'occupation' you moron, Abbas wants right of return , the releasing of thousands of Palestinian murderers AND full sovereignty over E. Jerusalem where the most holy sites for Jews are located.
None of that is ever going to take place. Ever. Never ever. Get it? Got it? Good Billo!
You don't "offer" to end an occupation, you just end it.

If jews have the right to return after 2000 years, why can't indigenous arabs return after 70 years? They were driven from their homes against their will by jewish terrorist groups, international law is on their side, not yours.

I don't see how you can call "thousands of Palestinian's murderers", when most of them are being held without charges?

East Jerusalem is not Israel's. Was never given to Israel. And will never be Israel's.

Que pasa, mutha?
 
Ah, there the billo-blobbo goes again, spouting whatever nonsense has been wandering through his booze-soaked brain........ No citations, no links, just more billo-babble.

I know he hasn't really gotten started on tonight's bender - but it's late here in the East and I'm not feeling all that wonderful, so I don't think I'll stick around for the second act, etc......
 
Ah, there the billo-blobbo goes again, spouting whatever nonsense has been wandering through his booze-soaked brain........ No citations, no links, just more billo-babble.

I know he hasn't really gotten started on tonight's bender - but it's late here in the East and I'm not feeling all that wonderful, so I don't think I'll stick around for the second act, etc......
Another hit and run personal attack.

Why is it non-sense?
 
This comment truly shows how much knowledge you lack about this conflict.
Let me ask you, what have the Palestinians done that proves to Israel that they can be trusted if Israel demolishes the wall, takes down all checkpoints and remove all forces from the territory?
They waited 37 years before shooting rockets.

That's pretty patient, if you ask me.

You didn't answer my question. Also, are you saying there was no belligerency against Israel before 1967??

Also, you're forgetting that Israel already made offers to end the 'occupation', like the one that Arafart the aids ridden thief rejected. Or the one that Abbas rejected.
It's not only about ending the 'occupation' you moron, Abbas wants right of return , the releasing of thousands of Palestinian murderers AND full sovereignty over E. Jerusalem where the most holy sites for Jews are located.
None of that is ever going to take place. Ever. Never ever. Get it? Got it? Good Billo!
You don't "offer" to end an occupation, you just end it.

No! You don't just end it. Occupations don't end until hostilities end. Show me an example in history in which a country ended an occupation of land captured during war WITHOUT first having some sort of peace treaty. And don't give me your usual 'the occupation is the cause of hostilities', because that changes nothing in reality.


If jews have the right to return after 2000 years, why can't indigenous arabs return after 70 years? They were driven from their homes against their will by jewish terrorist groups, international law is on their side, not yours.

What has international law done for the Palestinians in the last 66 years??
Ya, that's what I thought.


I don't see how you can call "thousands of Palestinian's murderers", when most of them are being held without charges?

Obviously i'm referring to the ones convicted of crimes Billo. Common now!

East Jerusalem is not Israel's. Was never given to Israel. And will never be Israel's.


You think Israel annexed E. Jerusalem, only to allow the Palestinians to have full sovereignty over it?? LOL. Get real. Weather the world recognizes it or not, Israel will always hold on to ALL of Jerusalem? Comprende???
Que pasa, mutha?
 
Ah, there the billo-blobbo goes again, spouting whatever nonsense has been wandering through his booze-soaked brain........ No citations, no links, just more billo-babble.

I know he hasn't really gotten started on tonight's bender - but it's late here in the East and I'm not feeling all that wonderful, so I don't think I'll stick around for the second act, etc......
Another hit and run personal attack.

Why is it non-sense?

Like you never personally attack posters :rolleyes:
 
You didn't answer my question. Also, are you saying there was no belligerency against Israel before 1967??
No, I'm not saying that. I'm sure there was. I'm also sure Israel did its share of belligerent acts as well.

No! You don't just end it. Occupations don't end until hostilities end. Show me an example in history in which a country ended an occupation of land captured during war WITHOUT first having some sort of peace treaty. And don't give me your usual 'the occupation is the cause of hostilities', because that changes nothing in reality.
It doesn't change "nothing in reality"; it IS reality!

You'd be doing the same thing they did, if you were in their situation.

What has international law done for the Palestinians in the last 66 years??
Ya, that's what I thought.
It's a little hard for IHL to do anything when criminal, pariah governments like Israel, refuse to honor its treaties.

Obviously i'm referring to the ones convicted of crimes Billo. Common now!
My bad.

You think Israel annexed E. Jerusalem, only to allow the Palestinians to have full sovereignty over it?? LOL. Get real. Weather the world recognizes it or not, Israel will always hold on to ALL of Jerusalem? Comprende???
It's not Israel's decision to make.
 
Greater Israel is now the only answer.

1. Occupy the West Bank.

2. Remove Palestinians to Madagascar.

3. Jerusalem is Jewish and the capitol.

4. No right of return.

5. Gaza is ceded to Egypt.
 
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If the Palestinians wanted peace, they would renounce terrorism and end ALL BELLIGERENCY against Israel.
They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spite of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGx3-1gAnQ]Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube[/ame]
 
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They did that in 2006 for 4 months and Israel still attacked their leaders.

Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spit of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGx3-1gAnQ]Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube[/ame]

I guess you don't know what renouncing terrorism and ending all belligerency against Israel means.
Your video did not prove anything. A truce is not what I asked for and neither is a 9 minute video.
Another fail.
 
Like you never personally attack posters :rolleyes:
I can explain why I say what I say, you and your butt-buddy's don't.




Gratuitous zone 2 compliance:
Israel doesn't want peace. Ever.

Palestinians don't want peace. Ever.

Btw, why would Abbas agree on a treaty with Israel when he knows he will likely get assassinated by a religious extremist who is opposed to any kind of peace with Israel?
Why would Abbas agree on a treaty with Israel when he and the Palestinians are in their eternal victim position where they are receiving hundreds of millions in aid?
 
Palestinians renounced terrorism and all belligerency against Israel?

Link?

When Hamas was elected it did call for a truce. It honored that truce in spit of continued attacks by Israel. The unity government re offered that truce in 2007.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGx3-1gAnQ]Dr Mustafa Barghouti's address to Compass conference 2007 - YouTube[/ame]

I guess you don't know what renouncing terrorism and ending all belligerency against Israel means.
Your video did not prove anything. A truce is not what I asked for and neither is a 9 minute video.
Another fail.

In 2006 the Palestinians stopped suicide bombing at Hamas's request.
 
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