Israel violates international law

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are exceptional with the unresponsive one-liners.

This is nonsense.

Indeed it is.

But you posted it anyway.

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But can you actually address the salient points?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is nonsense.

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

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The facts are clear. And certainly the history shows that while no active player in this drama, now nearly a century in the making, has acted perfectly (the human factor), the moral fiber of the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that opened war, used terrorism, and constantly thwarted the prospects for peace, is anything if not a danger to regional security and the principle obstacle to the development of region prosperity.

Yes, no player has been perfect in their actions, yet none have been so detrimental by many factors of 10 than that of the Palestinians. They must recreate a history that save face and shows themselves to be the honorable victim in order to sustain momentum. But no nation, that bases it entire struggle and war-like character on the use of terrorism by any means, can claim even the foothills of honor and integrity as a culture and people.

No matter what any other player has done, no people can justify in any way, their actions, exhibit themselves as the victim, or lay claim the moral high ground that has made this pledge in public - then opened hostilities.



Yes, such a people have lost their honesty, integrity, good character and morale fortitude, and replaced it with the call for Jihad. And who in the world supports jihad and the armed struggle of the fedayeen?

• Why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

No matter how many mistakes the State of Israel has made, and will make, there is no greater evil in the world today, than the Fundamentalist call for Jihad and Armed Struggle; by a people who believe they have an inherent right to reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of the former territory under the Mandate of Palestine and rejects all proposals aimed at the a peaceful settlement. They are a people that believe the 1947 Partition Plan, and the establishment of the State of Israel are entirely illegal - and - there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. They are a people that see Jihad as the individual duty of every Moslem.



If the Hostile Arab Palestinian People want to threaten the People of the United States, just because we want to help preserve the Jewish State and their culture --- WELL! go ahead. But don't turn around with tears in your eyes and ask for sympathy. In the US, we don't play that game.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is nonsense.

Indeed it is.

But you posted it anyway.

Excellent rebuttal to Roccos post !

Specially with all the links you provided !! Great Job !!!!!

 

[Indeependent]

Such goals are racist but your fellow Israelis will not dare to question them because when it comes to criticising the crimes and racist goals of Israelis, they have a LAPD-like wall of silence. They believe that Israelis are superior and cannot be accused of racism. They believe that it is anti-Semitic to accuse Israelis of racism, even when an Israeli calls for ethnic cleansing. It is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law.

When you think you are above the law, the law doesn't matter.

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

FoxNews, FoxNews and MAYBE FoxNews.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

The removal of fifth columnist that made the open threat of genocide is not "ethnic cleansing."

LOL You couldn't even answer his questions.

Big fail for you, btw

Actually, it is a big fail for you. The question was answered concisely. That's why there is no response.

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In every war there is a refugee problem.

If the hostile Arab Palestinian had not initiated open war, there would have been no refugee problem. But the removal of a hostile population that has given a solemn oath to kill ever jew, man women and child, is a prudent security measure.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine initiated nothing, they had no military. The Jews, with the Israeli radio broadcasts threatening to kill all non-Jews, men, women and children, caused the most of the Christians and Muslims to flee. You have the usual brainwashed alternate history. Sorry, you are a charlatan.

 

[Indeependent]

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

No idiot, it's because travel is so darned easy and relatively inexpensive and people actually VISIT Israel and see that YOUR propaganda is complete bullshit.

 

[MHunterB]

It prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews in what is now Israel, who were subsequently ethnically cleansed. Illegal.

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

This thread is about Israel and Palestine. The dispossessed non-Jews of Palestine don't really give a flying ____ about what happened in Morocco. They had nothing to do with it. Just as they did not want to be punished because of what the Germans did to the Jews, the non-Jewish Palestinians had nothing to do with it.

I sincerely hope that you were not actually elected to speak for the 'dispossessed non-Jews of "Palestine" : if you were, it means they care about nobody but themselves.

Hitler had nothing to do with the ethnic cleansing committed by the Arab League nations - and yes, that ethnic cleansing IS a factor in the search for justice in the ME. Ignoring it cannot bring about justice.

Again, you appear to be arguing that the Mandate itself was 'illegal' - if you would argue so, then referring to UN #181, etc is hypocritical.

 

[Indeependent]

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

Israel used to have 1.2 million Arabs. This was reduced to 200,000 by the end of the 1948 War. They were kicked out by the Israeli armies and terror groups.

Israel wanted to raise the IQ.

 

[RoccoR]

Indeependent, et al,

Speaking of the News, and relative to Posting #603 on thread "Israel violates international law," I saw an interesting article.

FoxNews, FoxNews and MAYBE FoxNews.

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It appears that the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) are suggesting that, if they don't get what they want (whatever that may be), they are exercising their right to self-determination in favor of another conflict; which is historically the first option of the HoAP.

The Palestinian official who headed Yasser Arafat’s security force at the start of the Second Intifada is warning that armed conflict may well follow the failure of current peace talks with Israel.

“They should expect a reaction,” Jibril Rajoub tells TIME in an interview. “We have to ring the bell. Uncle Sam should understand that there is a new fascistic doctrine among the Israelis, and this is a real threat to their interests in the Middle East, and even in the whole world.”

Rajoub, who now holds the title of minister of youth and sport in the Palestinian Authority, stops short of declaring the West Bank will erupt if U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry fails to coax a final agreement from the talks, set to end in April. But the vehemence of Rajoub’s message is clearly meant to draw attention, as was the place he first delivered it–a television studio in Tehran.

Rajoub’s Jan. 28 visit to Iran was extraordinary for a senior official of Fatah, the secular movement that dominates the Palestinian Authority led by Mahmoud Abbas. Iran has been the major sponsor of Hamas, the militant Islamist group that drove Fatah out of the Gaza Strip in 2007. Rajoub says Abbas sent him to Tehran in order to encourage Iran’s new President Hassan Rouhani in his effort toward a more moderate foreign policy (including outreach to Gulf countries that are close to Fatah) and to enlist Iran’s efforts in Fatah’s long-promised reconciliation with Hamas.

SOURCE: Time Magazine By Karl Vick / Ramallah 11 FEB 2014

As I said, "Yes, such a people have lost their honesty, integrity, good character and morale fortitude, and replaced it with the call for Jihad."

It seems they prove it everyday - more and more.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Victory67]

Israel wanted to raise the IQ.

How come its ok for Israelis to make racist statements like this, but if someone said the reason the Arabs kicked out 750,000 Jews is because they wanted to improve the smell, they would be labeled a bigot?

It is just this kind of racist hypocrisy that leads Israel to violate international law. They feel they are above the law while everyone else is below them and bound by a different moral code.

 

[RoccoR]

Victory67, et al,

You're ranting about an event that is hypothetical (hasn't happened).

Israel wanted to raise the IQ.

How come its ok for Israelis to make racist statements like this, but if someone said the reason the Arabs kicked out 750,000 Jews is because they wanted to improve the smell, they would be labeled a bigot?

It is just this kind of racist hypocrisy that leads Israel to violate international law. They feel they are above the law while everyone else is below them and bound by a different moral code.

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You guys are perpetual victims. Very thin skinned and whiny about everything. Stick to the point.

You could have asked in response, how many IQ Point did the average go up? That would have been on topic.

OK, I apologize. I just couldn't pass it up. We all have to laugh at ourselves every now and then.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Indeependent]

Israel wanted to raise the IQ.

How come its ok for Israelis to make racist statements like this, but if someone said the reason the Arabs kicked out 750,000 Jews is because they wanted to improve the smell, they would be labeled a bigot?

It is just this kind of racist hypocrisy that leads Israel to violate international law. They feel they are above the law while everyone else is below them and bound by a different moral code.

Because it wouldn't be true.
Jews are NOT above the law and we are seemingly bound by a much higher moral code than the followers of Islam.
For example...We don't blow people up in Spain because we're pissed off at people in Gaza.
The Arabs should NOT have fled in 1948.
They fled and lost their squatting rights.

Tell me, why does Jordan block them from entering?
Oh, I forgot...**** Israel!

 

[Billo_Really]

The United Nations not only allows a nation that has been attacked to destroy the attacking mechanism,

The United Nation does not consider a population under the occupation of a foreign force, "the attacker".

In addition, an occupational force cannot claim self defense.

but it blames those who hide behind innocent children for their deaths if they were using them as human shields. Israel has shot back, but with precision. That occasionally hits a human shield used callously by the original attacker, so the original attacker is given full responsibility for doing such a disgusting thing.

Israel always takes just exactly what is dished out and throws it back at the attacker with precision hits to take out weaponry foolishly used against the Israelis.

Surely even you knew that, Billo.

Then how do you explain the IDF's use of "johnny's"?

 

[Phoenall]

Such goals are racist but your fellow Israelis will not dare to question them because when it comes to criticising the crimes and racist goals of Israelis, they have a LAPD-like wall of silence. They believe that Israelis are superior and cannot be accused of racism. They believe that it is anti-Semitic to accuse Israelis of racism, even when an Israeli calls for ethnic cleansing. It is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law.

When you think you are above the law, the law doesn't matter.

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

Never seen any, but I have seen plenty of ANTI JEWISH, ANTI ISRAELI and ANTI SEMITIC propaganda all over the place. And the whole world is force fed this hatred and racism by the likes of you who are prepared to LIE to demonise the Jewish people.

 

[Phoenall]

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

Or they can see with their own eyes that the reality is the Palestinians are evil violent mass murdering scum. And that they have no intention of ever seeing peace, not even when Israel has been destroyed

 

[Phoenall]

Have I complained about you ignoring crimes in Syria etc. No, I don't think so.

You cite international law that does not apply in Israel's case. To me there is no difference between anti-semitism and someone who lies about Israel. It is evident to all. Are you one of those people who say I have nothing against Jews, it is Israel's policies I am against. Let me tell you sunshine, there is no difference between the two and we have seen your ilk on these forums before.

Your ally [MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION] believes the 4th Geneva Conventions does apply to the West Bank. As does [MENTION=25033]RoccoR[/MENTION]

I have yet to lie about Israel. You and others simply believe that criticism of Israel=Nazi anti-Semitism.

Is is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law. They think they are above the law.

You LIE all the time when you claim that Israel being in compliance with the Geneva conventions is them breaching International Law. Even after reading the relevant sections yourself you still insist that they don't stand and your version does. You employ a two tier system than has the muslims allowed to murder children and use WMD's while Israel is not allowed to defend itself or its children from attack

 

[Phoenall]

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

To our credit we are also less anti-Semitic than Europe. But the flip side of that is a bit of guilt over the Holocaust than the USA certainly does not deserve. Add that with Evangelical Apocolyptic love for Israel and you have a society that is somewhat blind to Israel's misdeeds.

Once again with your islamonazi LIES you are asked to prove your words and constantly refuse.

So once again Is Israel being an apartheid state within its own borders. ?

Is Israel in full compliance with the full terms of the Geneva conventions, and if not which aspects are they breaching that has resulted in them being censured by the UNGC. Details required of both are compulsory as that word of an islamonazi stooge is as worthless as a 7 dollar bill.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews have better marketing and PR folk than you guys... always have... always will.

But I wouldn't read too much into that.

Christians tend to like Jews better than Muslims, as a general rule; there's a bond or sorts that permeates early Christian history and its literary outputs.

In-between phases of persecution of the Jews on European soil, the Euro-Christians have traditionally looked more favorably upon Jews than Muslims.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called the Forcible Expansion of Islam into Christian lands.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called The Crusades.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called taking over modern-day Turkey and driving out the Greeks and sacking Constantinople and killnig the last vestiges of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

And, of course, in recent times...

Something to do with little misunderstandings like 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings...

And, of course, and generally speaking, the United States is a secularized Christian country; boasting far more adherents to that belief-system than any other; steeped in the traditions and customers and laws and philosophy of Europe.

So, even with a long-standing and well-observed separation of church and state, and the presence of sizable numbers of practitioners of other faiths, or none at all..

You're still dealing with a stacked deck on thsi side of The Pond... stacked in favor of the Jews and Israel...

Americans don't need the prodding of a biased news media industry in order to take sides with Israel...

For most Americans, it just comes naturally...

For their own diverse collection of good and true reasons...

Don't delude yourself that American partiality towards Israel is a result of the MSM...

'Cause it just ain't true, fellas...

If most Americans were sat down and given the simple and cold hard facts about Israel they would likely be a lot less biased towards them.

Would they hate Israel? No. But they certainly would see them in a whole different light. A slightly darker one unfortunately.

Would that be the facts as you see them or the reality of the situation. When asked leading questions would you give answers that are not related to them, and would you use biased reports that are full of glaring errors. If you did then you would see that most Americans would start demanding the US take action against neo Nazis and Palestinians for your RACISM and JEW HATRED

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews have better marketing and PR folk than you guys... always have... always will.

But I wouldn't read too much into that.

Christians tend to like Jews better than Muslims, as a general rule; there's a bond or sorts that permeates early Christian history and its literary outputs.

In-between phases of persecution of the Jews on European soil, the Euro-Christians have traditionally looked more favorably upon Jews than Muslims.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called the Forcible Expansion of Islam into Christian lands.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called The Crusades.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called taking over modern-day Turkey and driving out the Greeks and sacking Constantinople and killnig the last vestiges of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

And, of course, in recent times...

Something to do with little misunderstandings like 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings...

And, of course, and generally speaking, the United States is a secularized Christian country; boasting far more adherents to that belief-system than any other; steeped in the traditions and customers and laws and philosophy of Europe.

So, even with a long-standing and well-observed separation of church and state, and the presence of sizable numbers of practitioners of other faiths, or none at all..

You're still dealing with a stacked deck on thsi side of The Pond... stacked in favor of the Jews and Israel...

Americans don't need the prodding of a biased news media industry in order to take sides with Israel...

For most Americans, it just comes naturally...

For their own diverse collection of good and true reasons...

Don't delude yourself that American partiality towards Israel is a result of the MSM...

'Cause it just ain't true, fellas...

If most Americans were sat down and given the simple and cold hard facts about Israel they would likely be a lot less biased towards them.

Would they hate Israel? No. But they certainly would see them in a whole different light. A slightly darker one unfortunately.

And there is a growing number of movements and organizations doing just that.

That are having the wrong effect on Israel making them stronger and richer. Like the Sodastream movement that has increased sales, or the BDS which has been shown to be racist so has been hit with a legal ruling. It is only the neo Nazis and the islamonazis that are spouting the RACIST LIES and the decent people are turning against them. The 3rd intifada will end up like the other 2 as a wasted effort that only hurt the Palestinians at the end of the day. The muslims around the world were preaching the 3rd intifada 10 years ago, so you see how they know about these steps before they are put in place.

 

[Phoenall]

Such a load of crap. And I mean MASSIVE LOAD. You always find excuses whenever someone, or in this case a whole country. has positive views about Israel lol !

Why do you think you are smarter than everyone ?

Why does America think they are smarter than everyone else?

They don't but they don't believe the NAZI LIES either, and can see for themselves the truth about the Palestinian conflict. The internet has changed peoples views on Israel and they see the reality that is Palestine firing rockets at Israeli children and are sickened by it. The only ones who aren't are the islamonazis and their mouthpieces in the west, and they no longer show their glee at the death of a child because it hurts their cause too much. The videos of Palestinians celebrating the deaths of Israeli civilians are widespread and shown openly, as are the photo's of cannibalism practised in the west bank

 

[Phoenall]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

They weren't until the muslims invaded Israel and tried to wipe them out man, woman and child. So were did the muslims show that they were prepared to allow the Jews their rights and position. Because from were I stand they are to this day prejudicing the rights of the Israelis to self determination and a peaceful existence. The muslims that exist today as Israeli citizens do not want to lose their priveledged positions.

The UN and the majority of nations declared that the establishment of the Israeli state was legal and that it would be recognised as such. It was the actions of the arabs that was deemed illegal and classed as foreign interferfence. Today this act would result in the Hague issuing arrest warrants for the heads of state of the 7 muslim nations involved for war crimes as detailed in the Geneva conventions