Israel violates international law

[toastman]

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

Such a load of crap. And I mean MASSIVE LOAD. You always find excuses whenever someone, or in this case a whole country. has positive views about Israel lol !

Why do you think you are smarter than everyone ?

 

[Victory67]

Such a load of crap. And I mean MASSIVE LOAD. You always find excuses whenever someone, or in this case a whole country. has positive views about Israel lol !

Why do you think you are smarter than everyone ?

Why does America think they are smarter than everyone else?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is nonsense.

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

(COMMENT)

The facts are clear. And certainly the history shows that while no active player in this drama, now nearly a century in the making, has acted perfectly (the human factor), the moral fiber of the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that opened war, used terrorism, and constantly thwarted the prospects for peace, is anything if not a danger to regional security and the principle obstacle to the development of region prosperity.

Yes, no player has been perfect in their actions, yet none have been so detrimental by many factors of 10 than that of the Palestinians. They must recreate a history that save face and shows themselves to be the honorable victim in order to sustain momentum. But no nation, that bases it entire struggle and war-like character on the use of terrorism by any means, can claim even the foothills of honor and integrity as a culture and people.

No matter what any other player has done, no people can justify in any way, their actions, exhibit themselves as the victim, or lay claim the moral high ground that has made this pledge in public - then opened hostilities.

The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

“The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​

Yes, such a people have lost their honesty, integrity, good character and morale fortitude, and replaced it with the call for Jihad. And who in the world supports jihad and the armed struggle of the fedayeen?

Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts.

• Why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

No matter how many mistakes the State of Israel has made, and will make, there is no greater evil in the world today, than the Fundamentalist call for Jihad and Armed Struggle; by a people who believe they have an inherent right to reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of the former territory under the Mandate of Palestine and rejects all proposals aimed at the a peaceful settlement. They are a people that believe the 1947 Partition Plan, and the establishment of the State of Israel are entirely illegal - and - there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. They are a people that see Jihad as the individual duty of every Moslem.

"The Palestinian resistance may find at a certain stage that the path of martyrdom operations is more effective, and it must not rule out the use of any method that can inflict pain on the enemy and deter it. Friendly nations and countries must support the action of the resistance and must condemn the occupation. The resistance may find itself at a certain stage forced to damage the interests of the [Israeli] occupation's allies, and the parties that provide it with funds, arms, and media support. It is the resistance that will decide when to adopt this path, and how, when, and where."

If the Hostile Arab Palestinian People want to threaten the People of the United States, just because we want to help preserve the Jewish State and their culture --- WELL! go ahead. But don't turn around with tears in your eyes and ask for sympathy. In the US, we don't play that game.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

 

[Victory67]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

181 gave the Arabs their own state in Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

181 gave the Arabs their own state in Palestine.

It prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews in what is now Israel, who were subsequently ethnically cleansed. Illegal.

 

[toastman]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

False, Israels declaration of independence was perfectly legal. For ***** sake, even the U.N recognized and approved of them.


Easy Guide to International Humanitarian Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory

"After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan. By entering into the Armistice Agreement with Egypt in 1949, Israel, demonstrated a sufficient level of stable and effective government of the territory to be recognised as a state by other states and the UN. Israel was effectively and lawfully established as a state, on the armistice territory, by secession from the Mandate of Palestine. A state for the Palestinians living in the Mandate of Palestine was never created and this unrealised goal still constitutes one of the core issues of the conflict."

http://www.diakonia.se/Documents/Di...ia-position-paper-on-Israel-and-Palestine.pdf

 

[montelatici]

The Mandatory did not insure that the rights of the non-Jews were not prejudiced. They were prejudiced de facto regardless of what the UN did. ILLEGAL.

 

[MHunterB]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

181 gave the Arabs their own state in Palestine.

It prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews in what is now Israel, who were subsequently ethnically cleansed. Illegal.

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

 

[Victory67]

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

Israel used to have 1.2 million Arabs. This was reduced to 200,000 by the end of the 1948 War. They were kicked out by the Israeli armies and terror groups.

 

[montelatici]

181 gave the Arabs their own state in Palestine.

It prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews in what is now Israel, who were subsequently ethnically cleansed. Illegal.

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

This thread is about Israel and Palestine. The dispossessed non-Jews of Palestine don't really give a flying ____ about what happened in Morocco. They had nothing to do with it. Just as they did not want to be punished because of what the Germans did to the Jews, the non-Jewish Palestinians had nothing to do with it.

 

[Kondor3]

Such a load of crap. And I mean MASSIVE LOAD. You always find excuses whenever someone, or in this case a whole country. has positive views about Israel lol !

Why do you think you are smarter than everyone ?

Why does America think they are smarter than everyone else?

America does not think they are smarter than everyone else.

Merely more powerful than most or all.

Why do you deprecate your own country like that?

Unless, of course, you're not actually an American - literally, or metaphorically.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici,

You say that as if you actually know what that means.

The Mandatory did not insure that the rights of the non-Jews were not prejudiced. They were prejudiced de facto regardless of what the UN did. ILLEGAL.

(COMMENT)

And I think you left out some serious verbage>

"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"​

• What are civil rights?
  • basic rights: rights that all citizens of a society are supposed to have, e.g. the right to vote or to receive fair treatment from the law.
• What are religious rights?
  • freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance;

What is the grievance? It certainly cannot be the right to self-determination because under Israeli Occupation the PLO was able to Declare Independence "pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Victory67]

America does not think they are smarter than everyone else.

Merely more powerful than most or all.

So you're saying the USA simply throws its mindless weight around?

 

[montelatici]

montelatici,

You say that as if you actually know what that means.

The Mandatory did not insure that the rights of the non-Jews were not prejudiced. They were prejudiced de facto regardless of what the UN did. ILLEGAL.

(COMMENT)

And I think you left out some serious verbage>

"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"​

• What are civil rights?
  • basic rights: rights that all citizens of a society are supposed to have, e.g. the right to vote or to receive fair treatment from the law.
• What are religious rights?
  • freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance;

What is the grievance? It certainly cannot be the right to self-determination because under Israeli Occupation the PLO was able to Declare Independence "pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947."

Most Respectfully,
R

One civil right is the right to not to be ethnically cleansed. What nonsense.

 

[Kondor3]

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

Israel used to have 1.2 million Arabs. This was reduced to 200,000 by the end of the 1948 War. They were kicked out by the Israeli armies and terror groups.

More like they participated in the Grand Skeddadle of 1948.

Excerpt from a 1948 Tel-Aviv newspaper ad...

"For Sale:

10,000 Palestinian militia rifles.

Bargain-basement priced to go.

Prime condition.

Never fired, and only dropped once."​

 

[toastman]

montelatici,

You say that as if you actually know what that means.

The Mandatory did not insure that the rights of the non-Jews were not prejudiced. They were prejudiced de facto regardless of what the UN did. ILLEGAL.

(COMMENT)

And I think you left out some serious verbage>

"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"​

• What are civil rights?
  • basic rights: rights that all citizens of a society are supposed to have, e.g. the right to vote or to receive fair treatment from the law.
• What are religious rights?
  • freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance;

What is the grievance? It certainly cannot be the right to self-determination because under Israeli Occupation the PLO was able to Declare Independence "pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947."

Most Respectfully,
R

One civil right is the right to not to be ethnically cleansed. What nonsense.

LOL You couldn't even answer his questions.

Big fail for you, btw

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is nonsense.

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

(COMMENT)

The facts are clear. And certainly the history shows that while no active player in this drama, now nearly a century in the making, has acted perfectly (the human factor), the moral fiber of the Hostile Arab Palestinian, that opened war, used terrorism, and constantly thwarted the prospects for peace, is anything if not a danger to regional security and the principle obstacle to the development of region prosperity.

Yes, no player has been perfect in their actions, yet none have been so detrimental by many factors of 10 than that of the Palestinians. They must recreate a history that save face and shows themselves to be the honorable victim in order to sustain momentum. But no nation, that bases it entire struggle and war-like character on the use of terrorism by any means, can claim even the foothills of honor and integrity as a culture and people.

No matter what any other player has done, no people can justify in any way, their actions, exhibit themselves as the victim, or lay claim the moral high ground that has made this pledge in public - then opened hostilities.

The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

“The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."​

Yes, such a people have lost their honesty, integrity, good character and morale fortitude, and replaced it with the call for Jihad. And who in the world supports jihad and the armed struggle of the fedayeen?

Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts.

• Why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

No matter how many mistakes the State of Israel has made, and will make, there is no greater evil in the world today, than the Fundamentalist call for Jihad and Armed Struggle; by a people who believe they have an inherent right to reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of the former territory under the Mandate of Palestine and rejects all proposals aimed at the a peaceful settlement. They are a people that believe the 1947 Partition Plan, and the establishment of the State of Israel are entirely illegal - and - there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. They are a people that see Jihad as the individual duty of every Moslem.

"The Palestinian resistance may find at a certain stage that the path of martyrdom operations is more effective, and it must not rule out the use of any method that can inflict pain on the enemy and deter it. Friendly nations and countries must support the action of the resistance and must condemn the occupation. The resistance may find itself at a certain stage forced to damage the interests of the [Israeli] occupation's allies, and the parties that provide it with funds, arms, and media support. It is the resistance that will decide when to adopt this path, and how, when, and where."

If the Hostile Arab Palestinian People want to threaten the People of the United States, just because we want to help preserve the Jewish State and their culture --- WELL! go ahead. But don't turn around with tears in your eyes and ask for sympathy. In the US, we don't play that game.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is nonsense.

Indeed it is.

But you posted it anyway.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici,

You say that as if you actually know what that means.


(COMMENT)

And I think you left out some serious verbage>

"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"​

• What are civil rights?
  • basic rights: rights that all citizens of a society are supposed to have, e.g. the right to vote or to receive fair treatment from the law.
• What are religious rights?
  • freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance;

What is the grievance? It certainly cannot be the right to self-determination because under Israeli Occupation the PLO was able to Declare Independence "pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947."

Most Respectfully,
R

One civil right is the right to not to be ethnically cleansed. What nonsense.

LOL You couldn't even answer his questions.

Big fail for you, btw

Actually, it is a big fail for you. The question was answered concisely. That's why there is no response.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

The removal of fifth columnist that made the open threat of genocide is not "ethnic cleansing."

One civil right is the right to not to be ethnically cleansed. What nonsense.

LOL You couldn't even answer his questions.

Big fail for you, btw

Actually, it is a big fail for you. The question was answered concisely. That's why there is no response.

(COMMENT)

In every war there is a refugee problem.

If the hostile Arab Palestinian had not initiated open war, there would have been no refugee problem. But the removal of a hostile population that has given a solemn oath to kill ever jew, man women and child, is a prudent security measure.

Most Respectfully,
R