Israel violates international law

[Phoenall]

What would happen to Israel if they were brought before The Hague for their violations of international law?

NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, NIET as there is no evidence of them violating International Law. If there was then the Hague would have already issued warrants for the crimes. Everything they have done has been within the framework of the Geneva conventions and the UN resolutions. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary that the UN is not aware of.

 

[Phoenall]

Depends upon the court, and its competency (jurisdictional right to hear the case) and the particulars of the charges, of course.

Perhaps somebody should file some, and find out.

Or has that been tried before?

Yes it has and the charges were thrown out as there was no evidence of any wrongdoing. So they issued a private summons on the unspecified charge of war crimes against an Israeli officer that was never served as he never set foot in the nation the private summons was issued. We have since changed the law to stop the muslims from doing this again and refused to pay the legal aid bill

 

[Phoenall]

He was trying to stop Jewish immigration.. The population had doubled in less than 15 years with European Jews.

So what about the arab muslims that contributed more to the population increase. If ir was as you claim above then the muslims would have been outnumbered by Jews, and that was never the case was it ?

But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers.

It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country. This is partly due to the fear that the result of such immigration would be an overcrowding of the industrial and agricultural market; but a number of the more respectable older settlers have been disgusted by the recent arrivals in Palestine of their coreligionists, unhappy individuals from Russia and Roumania brought in under the auspices of the Zionist Commission from the cities of Southeastern Europe, and neither able nor willing to work at agriculture or fruit-farming.



The old colonists believe that what is required to help the country is the immigration of a moderate number of persons, who should be in possession of some capital to invest in agriculture, or have technical knowledge of farming; not, as proposed by the Zionist Commission, an unlimited immigration of poor and ignorant people from the cities of Europe, who, if they are unable to make a living in Western cities, would most certainly starve in an Eastern agricultural country.

The presence in Palestine of such agricultural experts as the late Mr. Aaronsohn, and Mr. Moses Levine of the Jewish Farm at Ben Shamer, near Ludd, both American Jews of great talent, is of the greatest advantage to the country, and is generally acknowledged so to be by all classes of the population. The arrival of more such colonists would be welcome to all but the whole population will resist the Zionist Commission's plan of wholesale immigration of Jews into Palestine at the rate of one hundred thousand a year, until a total of three millions has been reached, which number they claim the country can support if cultivated to its utmost.



Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

hardly an unbiased source of information is it, and it does not answer the question of what part arab migration played in the population increase. Wasn't it the case right through the 20C that arab muslim population of Palestine always stayed at least double that of the Jewish and Christian populations combined. Detailed in the many census counts taken over a 150 year period and is still the same today.

 

[Shaarona]

So what about the arab muslims that contributed more to the population increase. If ir was as you claim above then the muslims would have been outnumbered by Jews, and that was never the case was it ?

But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers.

It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country. This is partly due to the fear that the result of such immigration would be an overcrowding of the industrial and agricultural market; but a number of the more respectable older settlers have been disgusted by the recent arrivals in Palestine of their coreligionists, unhappy individuals from Russia and Roumania brought in under the auspices of the Zionist Commission from the cities of Southeastern Europe, and neither able nor willing to work at agriculture or fruit-farming.



The old colonists believe that what is required to help the country is the immigration of a moderate number of persons, who should be in possession of some capital to invest in agriculture, or have technical knowledge of farming; not, as proposed by the Zionist Commission, an unlimited immigration of poor and ignorant people from the cities of Europe, who, if they are unable to make a living in Western cities, would most certainly starve in an Eastern agricultural country.

The presence in Palestine of such agricultural experts as the late Mr. Aaronsohn, and Mr. Moses Levine of the Jewish Farm at Ben Shamer, near Ludd, both American Jews of great talent, is of the greatest advantage to the country, and is generally acknowledged so to be by all classes of the population. The arrival of more such colonists would be welcome to all but the whole population will resist the Zionist Commission's plan of wholesale immigration of Jews into Palestine at the rate of one hundred thousand a year, until a total of three millions has been reached, which number they claim the country can support if cultivated to its utmost.



Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

hardly an unbiased source of information is it, and it does not answer the question of what part arab migration played in the population increase. Wasn't it the case right through the 20C that arab muslim population of Palestine always stayed at least double that of the Jewish and Christian populations combined. Detailed in the many census counts taken over a 150 year period and is still the same today.

600,000 European Jews migrated to Palestine between 1920 and 1935.

 

[Victory67]

Yep.

Life isn't always fair.

Shit happens.

Like I said, the Palestinians are in the way, and need to be moved.

Perhaps The UN should help the Palestinians resettle elsewhere, if it really wants to be helpful, eh?[/SIZE]

Its interesting that I am accused of being a Nazi and an anti-Semite simply for criticizing Israel and accusing them of violating international law, meanwhile the same people ignore your racist call for ethnic cleansing. Why do you think that is?

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]

[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Yep.

Life isn't always fair.

Shit happens.

Like I said, the Palestinians are in the way, and need to be moved.

Perhaps The UN should help the Palestinians resettle elsewhere, if it really wants to be helpful, eh?[/SIZE]

Its interesting that I am accused of being a Nazi and an anti-Semite simply for criticizing Israel and accusing them of violating international law, meanwhile the same people ignore your racist call for ethnic cleansing. Why do you think that is?

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]

[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]

There is no need to 'mention' me in every thread as I do subscribe and reply to all of them.

 

[Victory67]

There is no need to 'mention' me in every thread as I do subscribe and reply to all of them.

I would like for you to respond to my question.

Why do you accuse me of anti-Semitism while ignoring racist calls for ethnic cleansing in the West Bank? Why do you complain about my ignoring of crimes by Arabs in Syria, Egypt, and Iraq when you refuse to condemn racism by your own side?

Why is my criticism of Israel's violation of international law bad while others calling for international law to be violated acceptable to you?

 

[Kondor3]

Yep.

Life isn't always fair.

Shit happens.

Like I said, the Palestinians are in the way, and need to be moved.

Perhaps The UN should help the Palestinians resettle elsewhere, if it really wants to be helpful, eh?[/SIZE]

Its interesting that I am accused of being a Nazi and an anti-Semite simply for criticizing Israel and accusing them of violating international law, meanwhile the same people ignore your racist call for ethnic cleansing. Why do you think that is?

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]

[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]

It's not 'racist' ethnic cleansing.

It's 'religious' cleansing.

It's 'hostile population' cleansing.

Such 'cleansing' can be done one of two ways...

1. slaughter the subject population

2. relocate the subject population

I suspect that if the Israelis DO end-up evicting and expelling their embedded 'hostile population', that they will not slaughter (it's not in their nature, and it would cause other problems, besides) but that they will resort to Population Transfer, instead...

Much akin to what the Czechs and Russians did in 1945 with the ethnic Germans in the Sudentenland.

Much akin to what the Poles and Russians did in 1945 with the ethnic Germans in East Prussia.

Much akin to what the Indians did to the Muslims living in India, in 1947.

Much akin to what the Pakistanis did to the Hindus living in Pakistan, in 1947.

Much akin to what the Euro-Americans and the United States did to the Native Americans in the period 1492 - 1900 or so.

And, I'm sure, other large-scale adn notable Population Transfers in modern times, that escape me at the moment.

Populations get in the way of other populations all the time or get on their nerves and are expelled.

Just ask any of the million or so Jews expelled from Muslim-Arab countries in the 1948-1975 timeframe.

Shit happens.

Cheer up.

If Israel DOES end-up evicting and expelling the West Bankers and/or Gazans, and then putting Israeli Jews on their old land to fill the vacuum, at least the 'victims' will still be alive, and resettled, and probably paid-off with something to compensate them, in whole or in part.

As to why some of our colleagues - who are beginning to believe that you are a Nazi or anti-semitic type - don't speak up, you'll have to ask them...

Several possibilities come to mind...

1. the idea is too radical or too loony-tunes or too brutal for some

2. the idea seems to unrealistic or too unlikely to materialize, to some

3. the idea will trigger major relationship problems for Israel, for some time afterwards, and they'd rather not go there until they're convinced it's absolutely necessary

4. some still believe that a peaceful solution may still be possible after 66 years of trying

5. some know it's the only way to cut the Gordian Knot now but can't face the prospect

6. some would rather stay out of it for the sake of their online relationships

7. some suspect that that is what is going to unfold but would rather not make too much of it in advance until the time draws nearer

8. I'm sufficiently valuable to some as a supporter of Israel that they're willing to overlook a 'radical idea' outburst from time to time, so long as it doesn't involve slaughter

9. they really DO think you're a Nazi or anti-semite

10. they're reasonably confident that I'm neither

...and, I'm sure, a dozen other possibilities that I've missed.

Like I said, they can speak for themselves.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

There is no need to 'mention' me in every thread as I do subscribe and reply to all of them.

I would like for you to respond to my question.

Why do you accuse me of anti-Semitism while ignoring racist calls for ethnic cleansing in the West Bank? Why do you complain about my ignoring of crimes by Arabs in Syria, Egypt, and Iraq when you refuse to condemn racism by your own side?

Why is my criticism of Israel's violation of international law bad while others calling for international law to be violated acceptable to you?

Have I complained about you ignoring crimes in Syria etc. No, I don't think so.

You cite international law that does not apply in Israel's case. To me there is no difference between anti-semitism and someone who lies about Israel. It is evident to all. Are you one of those people who say I have nothing against Jews, it is Israel's policies I am against. Let me tell you sunshine, there is no difference between the two and we have seen your ilk on these forums before.

 

[Victory67]

It's not 'racist' ethnic cleansing.

It's 'religious' cleansing.

It's 'hostile population' cleansing.

Such goals are racist but your fellow Israelis will not dare to question them because when it comes to criticising the crimes and racist goals of Israelis, they have a LAPD-like wall of silence. They believe that Israelis are superior and cannot be accused of racism. They believe that it is anti-Semitic to accuse Israelis of racism, even when an Israeli calls for ethnic cleansing. It is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law.

When you think you are above the law, the law doesn't matter.

 

[Indeependent]

Yep.

Life isn't always fair.

Shit happens.

Like I said, the Palestinians are in the way, and need to be moved.

Perhaps The UN should help the Palestinians resettle elsewhere, if it really wants to be helpful, eh?[/SIZE]

Its interesting that I am accused of being a Nazi and an anti-Semite simply for criticizing Israel and accusing them of violating international law, meanwhile the same people ignore your racist call for ethnic cleansing. Why do you think that is?

[MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION]

[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]

It's not 'racist' ethnic cleansing.

It's 'religious' cleansing.

It's 'hostile population' cleansing.

Such 'cleansing' can be done one of two ways...

1. slaughter the subject population

2. relocate the subject population

I suspet that if the Israelis DO end-up evicting and expelling their embedded 'hostile population', that they will not slaughter (it's not in their nature, and it would cause other problems, besides) but that they will resort to Population Transfer, instead...

Much akin to what the Czechs did in 1945 with the ethnic Germans in the Sudentenland.

Much akin to what the Poles did in 1945 with the ethnic Germans in East Prussia.

Much akin to what the Indians did to the Muslims living in India, in 1947.

Much akin to what the Pakistanis did to the Hindus living in Pakistan, in 1947.

Much akin to what the Euro-Americans and the United States did to the Native Americans in the period 1492 - 1900 or so.

Populations get in the way of other populations all the time or get on their nerves adn are expelled.

Just ask any of the million or so Jews expelled from Muslim-Arab countries in the 1948-1975 timeframe.

Shit happens.

Cheer up.

If Israel DOES end-up evicting and expelling them, and then putting Israeli Jews on their old land to fill the vacuum, at least the 'victims' will still be alive, and resettled, and probably paid-off with something to compensate them, in whole or in part.

As to why they don't speak up, you'll have to ask them...

Several possibilities come to mind...

1. the idea is too radical or too loony-tunes or too brutal for some

2. the idea seems to unrealistic or too unlikely to materialize, to some

3. the idea will trigger major relationship problems for Israel, for some time afterwards

4. some still believe that a peaceful solution may still be possible after 66 years of trying

5. some know it's the only way to cut the Gordian Knot now but can't face the prospect

6. some would rather stay out of it for the sake of their online relationships

7. some suspect that that is what is going to unfold but would rather not make too much of it in advance until the time draws nearer

...and, I'm sure, a dozen other possibilities that I've missed.

Like I said, they can speak for themselves.

Wow! Love it; but it may be too REAL for some.

 

[Victory67]

Have I complained about you ignoring crimes in Syria etc. No, I don't think so.

You cite international law that does not apply in Israel's case. To me there is no difference between anti-semitism and someone who lies about Israel. It is evident to all. Are you one of those people who say I have nothing against Jews, it is Israel's policies I am against. Let me tell you sunshine, there is no difference between the two and we have seen your ilk on these forums before.

Your ally [MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION] believes the 4th Geneva Conventions does apply to the West Bank. As does [MENTION=25033]RoccoR[/MENTION]

I have yet to lie about Israel. You and others simply believe that criticism of Israel=Nazi anti-Semitism.

Is is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law. They think they are above the law.

 

[Indeependent]

It's not 'racist' ethnic cleansing.

It's 'religious' cleansing.

It's 'hostile population' cleansing.

Such goals are racist but your fellow Israelis will not dare to question them because when it comes to criticising the crimes and racist goals of Israelis, they have a LAPD-like wall of silence. They believe that Israelis are superior and cannot be accused of racism. They believe that it is anti-Semitic to accuse Israelis of racism, even when an Israeli calls for ethnic cleansing. It is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law.

When you think you are above the law, the law doesn't matter.

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

 

[Victory67]

It's not 'racist' ethnic cleansing.

It's 'religious' cleansing.

It's 'hostile population' cleansing.

Such goals are racist but your fellow Israelis will not dare to question them because when it comes to criticising the crimes and racist goals of Israelis, they have a LAPD-like wall of silence. They believe that Israelis are superior and cannot be accused of racism. They believe that it is anti-Semitic to accuse Israelis of racism, even when an Israeli calls for ethnic cleansing. It is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law.

When you think you are above the law, the law doesn't matter.

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

 

[P F Tinmore]

Such goals are racist but your fellow Israelis will not dare to question them because when it comes to criticising the crimes and racist goals of Israelis, they have a LAPD-like wall of silence. They believe that Israelis are superior and cannot be accused of racism. They believe that it is anti-Semitic to accuse Israelis of racism, even when an Israeli calls for ethnic cleansing. It is this attitude that drives Israel to violate international law.

When you think you are above the law, the law doesn't matter.

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

 

[Victory67]

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

To our credit we are also less anti-Semitic than Europe. But the flip side of that is a bit of guilt over the Holocaust than the USA certainly does not deserve. Add that with Evangelical Apocolyptic love for Israel and you have a society that is somewhat blind to Israel's misdeeds.

 

[Kondor3]

I think you've been watching 60 Minutes a bit much.
No other nation goes out of it's way to not kill or bad mouth the enemy as Israel does.

You must be joking. Anti-Palestine propaganda is all over the MSM. We in the USA are spoonfed it on an almost daily basis

That is why the support for Israel is so high in the US.

The people have been misled.

The Jews have better marketing and PR folk than you guys... always have... always will.

But I wouldn't read too much into that.

Christians tend to like Jews better than Muslims, as a general rule; there's a bond or sorts that permeates early Christian history and its literary outputs.

In-between phases of persecution of the Jews on European soil, the Euro-Christians have traditionally looked more favorably upon Jews than Muslims.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called the Forcible Expansion of Islam into Christian lands.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called The Crusades.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called taking over modern-day Turkey and driving out the Greeks and sacking Constantinople and killnig the last vestiges of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

And, of course, in recent times...

Something to do with little misunderstandings like 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings...

And, of course, and generally speaking, the United States is a secularized Christian country; boasting far more adherents to that belief-system than any other; steeped in the traditions and customs and laws and philosophy of Europe.

So, even with a long-standing and well-observed separation of church and state, and the presence of sizable numbers of practitioners of other faiths, or none at all..

You're still dealing with a stacked deck on this side of The Pond... stacked in favor of the Jews and Israel...

Americans don't need the prodding of a biased news media industry in order to take sides with Israel...

For most Americans, it just comes naturally...

For their own diverse collection of good and true reasons...

Don't delude yourself that American partiality towards Israel is a result of the MSM...

'Cause it just ain't true, fellas...

 

[Victory67]

The Jews have better marketing and PR folk than you guys... always have... always will.

But I wouldn't read too much into that.

Christians tend to like Jews better than Muslims, as a general rule; there's a bond or sorts that permeates early Christian history and its literary outputs.

In-between phases of persecution of the Jews on European soil, the Euro-Christians have traditionally looked more favorably upon Jews than Muslims.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called the Forcible Expansion of Islam into Christian lands.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called The Crusades.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called taking over modern-day Turkey and driving out the Greeks and sacking Constantinople and killnig the last vestiges of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

And, of course, in recent times...

Something to do with little misunderstandings like 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings...

And, of course, and generally speaking, the United States is a secularized Christian country; boasting far more adherents to that belief-system than any other; steeped in the traditions and customers and laws and philosophy of Europe.

So, even with a long-standing and well-observed separation of church and state, and the presence of sizable numbers of practitioners of other faiths, or none at all..

You're still dealing with a stacked deck on thsi side of The Pond... stacked in favor of the Jews and Israel...

Americans don't need the prodding of a biased news media industry in order to take sides with Israel...

For most Americans, it just comes naturally...

For their own diverse collection of good and true reasons...

Don't delude yourself that American partiality towards Israel is a result of the MSM...

'Cause it just ain't true, fellas...

If most Americans were sat down and given the simple and cold hard facts about Israel they would likely be a lot less biased towards them.

Would they hate Israel? No. But they certainly would see them in a whole different light. A slightly darker one unfortunately.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jews have better marketing and PR folk than you guys... always have... always will.

But I wouldn't read too much into that.

Christians tend to like Jews better than Muslims, as a general rule; there's a bond or sorts that permeates early Christian history and its literary outputs.

In-between phases of persecution of the Jews on European soil, the Euro-Christians have traditionally looked more favorably upon Jews than Muslims.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called the Forcible Expansion of Islam into Christian lands.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called The Crusades.

Something to do with a little misunderstanding called taking over modern-day Turkey and driving out the Greeks and sacking Constantinople and killnig the last vestiges of the Roman (Byzantine) Empire.

And, of course, in recent times...

Something to do with little misunderstandings like 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings...

And, of course, and generally speaking, the United States is a secularized Christian country; boasting far more adherents to that belief-system than any other; steeped in the traditions and customers and laws and philosophy of Europe.

So, even with a long-standing and well-observed separation of church and state, and the presence of sizable numbers of practitioners of other faiths, or none at all..

You're still dealing with a stacked deck on thsi side of The Pond... stacked in favor of the Jews and Israel...

Americans don't need the prodding of a biased news media industry in order to take sides with Israel...

For most Americans, it just comes naturally...

For their own diverse collection of good and true reasons...

Don't delude yourself that American partiality towards Israel is a result of the MSM...

'Cause it just ain't true, fellas...

If most Americans were sat down and given the simple and cold hard facts about Israel they would likely be a lot less biased towards them.

Would they hate Israel? No. But they certainly would see them in a whole different light. A slightly darker one unfortunately.

And there is a growing number of movements and organizations doing just that.

 

[Kondor3]

Looooonnnnngggg uphill climb on that one (negating American bias towards Israel) fellas... ya'll ought to hit the top of that hill within a hundred years or so... a wee bit too late to help, given the way things are going.