Israel violates international law

[Phoenall]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

181 gave the Arabs their own state in Palestine.

Which they turned down don't forget, the evidence of their refusal to accept 181 has been posted many times. It was not a case of if the muslims or Jews refuse then the plan is shelved, it was if EITHER accept then they get to keep the land.

Now they want to turn the clock back and start all over again because they believe they are strong enough to beat Israel, delusional fools that they are.

 

[Phoenall]

" They are a people that believe the partition of Palestine in 1947, and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal"

And they would absolutely correct. It went against the primary condition placed on the Mandatory, that "that the rights and position of other sections of the population (non Jews) are not prejudiced" Article 6 of the Mandate.

181 gave the Arabs their own state in Palestine.

It prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews in what is now Israel, who were subsequently ethnically cleansed. Illegal.

Who ethnically cleansed them and when did this take place?

Why are their arab muslims and Christians living in Israel as full citizens with all the privileges of the Jews.
Why do so many muslims want to become Istaeli citizens if they are ethnically cleansed.
The only right they don't have is the right to be conscripted into the IDF

 

[Phoenall]

The Mandatory did not insure that the rights of the non-Jews were not prejudiced. They were prejudiced de facto regardless of what the UN did. ILLEGAL.

And who was it that prejudiced their rights, as the evidence shows that Israel offered all muslims and Christians the right to Israeli citizenship.

 

[Phoenall]

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

Israel used to have 1.2 million Arabs. This was reduced to 200,000 by the end of the 1948 War. They were kicked out by the Israeli armies and terror groups.

There was not 1.2 million arabs in Israel pre 1948, as Israel did not exist. Also that is the figure for the whole of Palestine and they were told to leave by the arab commanders.

Here is an unbiased source of evidence that show you to be an ISLAMONAZI LIAR

How many Muslims, Christians and Jews were living in Palestine before 1948? - Yahoo Answers

In 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors.

The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is claimed to be around 630,000 (but where did they get this number?). Based on population census, the estimated number of Arabs who left Israel was around 460,000. They were ordered to leave by Arab leaders at the time.

 

[Billo_Really]

Or they can see with their own eyes that the reality is the Palestinians are evil violent mass murdering scum.

You've made their lives a living hell for the last 50 years, yet call them "evil" and "violent".

In Operation Cast Lead, over a 1000 Palestinian's were killed. Do you know how many Israeli's were killed during that same period? 13. So according to your logic, if you kill only 13 people...........wait, scratch that..............4 Israeli's were killed by friendly fire..........so according to your logic, if you kill 9 people, you're a mass murderer. But if you kill over a 1000, you're not.

Your sense of right and wrong is pretty fucked up.

And that they have no intention of ever seeing peace, not even when Israel has been destroyed

What kind of dumbass thing is that to say?

No one in the ME is even capable of destroying Israel, so why talk as though it's a possibility?

 

[Billo_Really]

There was not 1.2 million arabs in Israel pre 1948, as Israel did not exist. Also that is the figure for the whole of Palestine and they were told to leave by the arab commanders.

People who have been living in an area for generations, don't just get up and leave because someone "asked" them to.

It's pretty ******* stupid to think people would believe non-sense like that.

 

[Phoenall]

It prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews in what is now Israel, who were subsequently ethnically cleansed. Illegal.

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews - as opposed to just under a million people ethnically cleansed from Arab League nations after Partition *because they were Jews*

Your concern appears entirely one-sided.

This thread is about Israel and Palestine. The dispossessed non-Jews of Palestine don't really give a flying ____ about what happened in Morocco. They had nothing to do with it. Just as they did not want to be punished because of what the Germans did to the Jews, the non-Jewish Palestinians had nothing to do with it.

Over 20% of citizens in Israel are non-Jews
Whats wrong didn't you like the truth, is that why you ignored it. The fact that today 2, 017,000 citizens of Israel are non Jews. So were is your ethnic cleansing from Israel now. This means that very nearly 25% of Israel's citizens and muslim, Christian, Druze or atheist. Which by itself proves that you are another ISLAMONAZI LIAR

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici,

You say that as if you actually know what that means.

The Mandatory did not insure that the rights of the non-Jews were not prejudiced. They were prejudiced de facto regardless of what the UN did. ILLEGAL.

(COMMENT)

And I think you left out some serious verbage>

"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,"​

• What are civil rights?
  • basic rights: rights that all citizens of a society are supposed to have, e.g. the right to vote or to receive fair treatment from the law.
• What are religious rights?
  • freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance;

What is the grievance? It certainly cannot be the right to self-determination because under Israeli Occupation the PLO was able to Declare Independence "pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947."

Most Respectfully,
R

One civil right is the right to not to be ethnically cleansed. What nonsense.

So who has ethnically cleansed anyone from their nations in the M.E since 1948. And show an unbiased link that details the facts as evidence.

 

[Phoenall]

One civil right is the right to not to be ethnically cleansed. What nonsense.

LOL You couldn't even answer his questions.

Big fail for you, btw

Actually, it is a big fail for you. The question was answered concisely. That's why there is no response.

Then show were Israel has ethnically cleansed non Jews from Israel ?

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

The removal of fifth columnist that made the open threat of genocide is not "ethnic cleansing."

LOL You couldn't even answer his questions.

Big fail for you, btw

Actually, it is a big fail for you. The question was answered concisely. That's why there is no response.

(COMMENT)

In every war there is a refugee problem.

If the hostile Arab Palestinian had not initiated open war, there would have been no refugee problem. But the removal of a hostile population that has given a solemn oath to kill ever jew, man women and child, is a prudent security measure.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very much like America's actions during WW2 when many Japanese Americans were arrested and interred for the duration of hostilities

 

[Kondor3]

There was not 1.2 million arabs in Israel pre 1948, as Israel did not exist. Also that is the figure for the whole of Palestine and they were told to leave by the arab commanders.

People who have been living in an area for generations, don't just get up and leave because someone "asked" them to.

It's pretty ******* stupid to think people would believe non-sense like that.

So, you are disputing the idea that the political and military leaders of the Arab League's invading nations called upon the Palestinians to abandon their lands, to await their redemption by Arab League forces, after a League victory in 1948, and that many thousands of Palestinian Arabs complied with such calls?

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

The removal of fifth columnist that made the open threat of genocide is not "ethnic cleansing."

Actually, it is a big fail for you. The question was answered concisely. That's why there is no response.

(COMMENT)

In every war there is a refugee problem.

If the hostile Arab Palestinian had not initiated open war, there would have been no refugee problem. But the removal of a hostile population that has given a solemn oath to kill ever jew, man women and child, is a prudent security measure.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Christians and Muslims of Palestine initiated nothing, they had no military. The Jews, with the Israeli radio broadcasts threatening to kill all non-Jews, men, women and children, caused the most of the Christians and Muslims to flee. You have the usual brainwashed alternate history. Sorry, you are a charlatan.

AND YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED ISLAMONAZI LIAR
Were is your evidence from an unbiased source to prove that the Jews were told to kill all the non Jews. Were is your proof of ethnic cleansing on a scale that would be impossible to achieve with such a small population

 

[Phoenall]

Israel wanted to raise the IQ.

How come its ok for Israelis to make racist statements like this, but if someone said the reason the Arabs kicked out 750,000 Jews is because they wanted to improve the smell, they would be labeled a bigot?

It is just this kind of racist hypocrisy that leads Israel to violate international law. They feel they are above the law while everyone else is below them and bound by a different moral code.

Actually it would be Israel kicking out the muslims to improve the smell, you can tell you have not been around muslims much.
And as everyone knows the muslims are kept semi literate so saying that the Jews wanted to lift the IQ is a valid argument.

 

[Phoenall]

The United Nations not only allows a nation that has been attacked to destroy the attacking mechanism,

The United Nation does not consider a population under the occupation of a foreign force, "the attacker".

In addition, an occupational force cannot claim self defense.

but it blames those who hide behind innocent children for their deaths if they were using them as human shields. Israel has shot back, but with precision. That occasionally hits a human shield used callously by the original attacker, so the original attacker is given full responsibility for doing such a disgusting thing.

Israel always takes just exactly what is dished out and throws it back at the attacker with precision hits to take out weaponry foolishly used against the Israelis.

Surely even you knew that, Billo.

Then how do you explain the IDF's use of "johnny's"?

If you need to ask these stupid questions then you should not be given computer time at the centre

 

[Phoenall]

Or they can see with their own eyes that the reality is the Palestinians are evil violent mass murdering scum.

You've made their lives a living hell for the last 50 years, yet call them "evil" and "violent".

In Operation Cast Lead, over a 1000 Palestinian's were killed. Do you know how many Israeli's were killed during that same period? 13. So according to your logic, if you kill only 13 people...........wait, scratch that..............4 Israeli's were killed by friendly fire..........so according to your logic, if you kill 9 people, you're a mass murderer. But if you kill over a 1000, you're not.

Your sense of right and wrong is pretty fucked up.

And that they have no intention of ever seeing peace, not even when Israel has been destroyed

What kind of dumbass thing is that to say?

No one in the ME is even capable of destroying Israel, so why talk as though it's a possibility?

How have I made their lives hell for the last 50 years, it is of their own doing engaging in terrorism against my fellow Brits that has made their lives hell.

Cast lead was in reprisal for 5 years of constant rocket attacks on defenceless children, not even you would last that long before you retaliated and shot all the punks attacking your home and family. The reason for so many deaths is that the Palestinians placed women and children in the line of fire as human shields. Read the Goldstone report, and his comments made afterwards.
Your sense of right and wrong is completely missing as Israel took every precaution to minimise the casualties while the Palestinians evicted women and children from the shelter so they would be safe.

Can you not see the evidence for yourself, with Islamic civil war all over the M.E. Even the arabs have said they don't want a Palestinian nation because they are so evil and violent

 

[Phoenall]

There was not 1.2 million arabs in Israel pre 1948, as Israel did not exist. Also that is the figure for the whole of Palestine and they were told to leave by the arab commanders.

People who have been living in an area for generations, don't just get up and leave because someone "asked" them to.

It's pretty ******* stupid to think people would believe non-sense like that.

Not when they are promised they will get the pick of the Jewish loot when the Jews had all been murdered. But read these for proof.

Myth and Fact: Did Arab Leaders Encourage Palestinians to Flee in 1948?

Palestinian refugee: Jordanian army told us to leave in 1948 War - Video

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGqpFxogRg]Refugee - Arab states told Arabs to leave Israel in 1948 war - YouTube[/ame]

The Beirut Daily Telegraph (September 6, 1948) quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee:

The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously...

The London Economist (October 2, 1948) reported an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs:

There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.

Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily "al-Hoda" (June 8, 1951):

[Azzam Pasha, Arab League secretary,] assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states.

Former Prime Minister of Syria, Khaled al-Azem, wrote in his memoirs, published in 1973 in Beirut:

We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land.

The Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen") wrote in the PLO journal "Palestine a-Thaura" (March 1976):

The Arab armies, who invaded the country in '48, forced the Palestinians to emigrate and leave their homeland and forced a political and ideological siege on them.

 

[Kondor3]

"...In Operation Cast Lead, over a 1000 Palestinian's were killed. Do you know how many Israeli's were killed during that same period? 13..."

An excellent kill-ratio... that is how wars are won.

 

[Victory67]

Because it wouldn't be true.
Jews are NOT above the law and we are seemingly bound by a much higher moral code than the followers of Islam.
For example...We don't blow people up in Spain because we're pissed off at people in Gaza.
The Arabs should NOT have fled in 1948.
They fled and lost their squatting rights.

Tell me, why does Jordan block them from entering?
Oh, I forgot...**** Israel!

Jews are not above the law, but Israelis seem to think they are. That's why they violate international law with total impunity and make racist statements calling for ethnic cleansing in this forum. They think laws and morals are "for thee but not for me".

This is why Israel is not liked around the world. And perhaps it is deserved.

Reading some of the posts in this forum makes me think it is deserved.

 

[toastman]

There was not 1.2 million arabs in Israel pre 1948, as Israel did not exist. Also that is the figure for the whole of Palestine and they were told to leave by the arab commanders.

People who have been living in an area for generations, don't just get up and leave because someone "asked" them to.

It's pretty ******* stupid to think people would believe non-sense like that.

Not when they are promised they will get the pick of the Jewish loot when the Jews had all been murdered. But read these for proof.

Myth and Fact: Did Arab Leaders Encourage Palestinians to Flee in 1948?

Palestinian refugee: Jordanian army told us to leave in 1948 War - Video

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGqpFxogRg]Refugee - Arab states told Arabs to leave Israel in 1948 war - YouTube[/ame]

The Beirut Daily Telegraph (September 6, 1948) quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee:

The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously...

The London Economist (October 2, 1948) reported an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs:

There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.

Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily "al-Hoda" (June 8, 1951):

[Azzam Pasha, Arab League secretary,] assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states.

Former Prime Minister of Syria, Khaled al-Azem, wrote in his memoirs, published in 1973 in Beirut:

We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land.

The Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen") wrote in the PLO journal "Palestine a-Thaura" (March 1976):

The Arab armies, who invaded the country in '48, forced the Palestinians to emigrate and leave their homeland and forced a political and ideological siege on them.

I've been looking for that video, thanks for posting it

That video is actually a clip from an award winning documentary about the I/P conflict

 

[Victory67]

So, you are disputing the idea that the political and military leaders of the Arab League's invading nations called upon the Palestinians to abandon their lands, to await their redemption by Arab League forces, after a League victory in 1948, and that many thousands of Palestinian Arabs complied with such calls?

What about the hundreds of thousands of Arabs who were kicked out by the Haganah, Irgun, and Stern Gang?