Israel violates international law

[Victory67]

Wrong Jordan did as part of the original British partition plan

Jordan didn't annex the West Bank in 1949.

They annexed it in 1950. This annexation was illegal.

Just as Israel's annexation of West Bank land and calling it "Greater Jerusalem" in 1970, was illegal.

However the United States did recognize Jordanian sovereignty over the West Bank.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

Quote the passages from San Remo that mention Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive Jewish rights to that land.

Watch the video. I already showed you proof there that the land is for the Jewish people. The arabs were given other lands and the Jews the land of Israel.

I recommend this book as it will explain it for you.

I asked for San Remo, not that lying sack of crap again.

 

[Phoenall]

Well then produce the links that support your view and there won't be a need for the present peace discussions.

Just have to say one thing the Palestinian people declared their state in 1988, until then there was no Palestinian state or people. You admitted this on another thread.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

We have been through this before and you have been shown that the treaty of Lausanne does not mention Palestine by name. And your source is a bigoted muslim who twists the words of other treaties to make it look like they refer to Palestine as a nation.

As the above shows the residents took on British or French nationality and this has been explained to you in detail.

Your link and post are invalid to the subject matter as there is no corroborative evidence to support the muslim authors claims

 

[Victory67]

Still waiting for your proof that they had lived there for generations when the only way a nomadic culture could breed so quickly would be to have multiple births every 9 months. Every link you provide shows that the muslim population kept at double the population of Jew and Christian combined. The only way they could achieve this was to migrate into the area. Even the UN rules for claiming Palestinian nationality show this to be self evident, when they allow for a 2 years residency of Palestine to qualify for Palestinian nationality.

There is the one argument that does take them away

British research performed during the Mandate period proves that the growth of the Arab population from 1922 to 1949 was natural and not due to immigration.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Just have to say one thing the Palestinian people declared their state in 1988, until then there was no Palestinian state or people. You admitted this on another thread.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

We have been through this before and you have been shown that the treaty of Lausanne does not mention Palestine by name. And your source is a bigoted muslim who twists the words of other treaties to make it look like they refer to Palestine as a nation.

As the above shows the residents took on British or French nationality and this has been explained to you in detail.

Your link and post are invalid to the subject matter as there is no corroborative evidence to support the muslim authors claims

Irrelevant deflection. That was not the purpose of the treaty.

 

[Phoenall]

read moshe dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

in 1967 they were massing forces against israel preparing to attack and drive israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack israel..................they were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy israel...............

The idf turned most of them into scrap metal.

hahahaha.. Actually nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

proof and evidence

 

[Victory67]

Calling for Israel to pull out of the West Bank is illegal according to International Law.

It has been a few weeks since I posted this but considering we have some rather uninformed people on this forum it would be worthwhile them getting educated.

Howard Grief - EC4I middle east conflict documentary: Give Peace A Chance - YouTube

Israel is the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank.

They are obligated under the 4th Geneva Convention to continue their military occupation of the West Bank until both parties agree on a final settlement.

However, all Israeli settlements and settlement infrastructure built in the West Bank on confiscated private Arab land and "State land", are illegal.

 

[pbel]

Still waiting for your proof that they had lived there for generations when the only way a nomadic culture could breed so quickly would be to have multiple births every 9 months. Every link you provide shows that the muslim population kept at double the population of Jew and Christian combined. The only way they could achieve this was to migrate into the area. Even the UN rules for claiming Palestinian nationality show this to be self evident, when they allow for a 2 years residency of Palestine to qualify for Palestinian nationality.

There is the one argument that does take them away

British research performed during the Mandate period proves that the growth of the Arab population from 1922 to 1949 was natural and not due to immigration.

So what's little lie for Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Just have to say one thing the Palestinian people declared their state in 1988, until then there was no Palestinian state or people. You admitted this on another thread.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

We have been through this before and you have been shown that the treaty of Lausanne does not mention Palestine by name. And your source is a bigoted muslim who twists the words of other treaties to make it look like they refer to Palestine as a nation.

As the above shows the residents took on British or French nationality and this has been explained to you in detail.

Your link and post are invalid to the subject matter as there is no corroborative evidence to support the muslim authors claims

Where does it say that?

With regard to nationality of the inhabitants of mandated territories, in general, the Council of the League of Nations adopted the following resolution on 23 April 1923:

“(1) The status of the native inhabitants of a Mandated territory is distinct from that of the nationals of the Mandatory Power....
(2) The native inhabitants of a Mandated territory are not invested with the nationality of the Mandatory Power by means of the protection extended to them…”92​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

There is nothing sweet about a position that denies the reality of the UN position when it comes to International Law. The UN recently recognized an Observer Palestinian State to the 67 borders...All attempts by people who hold this position are dooming the Israeli State with constant war-fare that she cannot win in the long ruin.

I guess you didn't watch the video. Another one together with tinhat who denies Israel's legitimate right to the land together with countries' rights to protect the Jewish people's right to the land. Must be hard for you on the losing side of the argument, eh?

I guess you got me...I didn't watch the video...probably because a you tube production is hardly a source of proof that would make me think you're not an airhead religious fanatic which is dooming peace on both sides...provide an unbiased link, and I'll be glad to read it!

That Youtube production is one that explains the facts clearly, which is advantageous with some of the airheads on here. Here is an unbiased link that you want.

San Remo's Mandate: Israel's 'Magna Carta' - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

I guess you didn't watch the video. Another one together with tinhat who denies Israel's legitimate right to the land together with countries' rights to protect the Jewish people's right to the land. Must be hard for you on the losing side of the argument, eh?

I guess you got me...I didn't watch the video...probably because a you tube production is hardly a source of proof that would make me think you're not an airhead religious fanatic which is dooming peace on both sides...provide an unbiased link, and I'll be glad to read it!

That Youtube production is one that explains the facts clearly, which is advantageous with some of the airheads on here. Here is an unbiased link that you want.

San Remo's Mandate: Israel's 'Magna Carta' - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Still ducking those San Remo quotes, I see.

 

[Victory67]

That Youtube production is one that explains the facts clearly, which is advantageous with some of the airheads on here. Here is an unbiased link that you want.

San Remo's Mandate: Israel's 'Magna Carta' - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

The San Remo Conference, along with the Balfour Declaration and Mandate for Palestine, all made Jewish settlement in Palestine for the purposes of creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine conditional upon the full respect and protection of non-Jewish civil and religious rights in Palestine.

Israel has been violating these conditions since 1949 and therefore has no business citing these international agreements as proof of anything.

 

[pbel]

I guess you didn't watch the video. Another one together with tinhat who denies Israel's legitimate right to the land together with countries' rights to protect the Jewish people's right to the land. Must be hard for you on the losing side of the argument, eh?

I guess you got me...I didn't watch the video...probably because a you tube production is hardly a source of proof that would make me think you're not an airhead religious fanatic which is dooming peace on both sides...provide an unbiased link, and I'll be glad to read it!

That Youtube production is one that explains the facts clearly, which is advantageous with some of the airheads on here. Here is an unbiased link that you want.

San Remo's Mandate: Israel's 'Magna Carta' - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

You just proved my point, that you have no unbiased source aside from a commentary airhead production of a pro-Israeli news-cast.

Pathetic indeed, destroying people's lives over stupid religious writings.

 

[Victory67]

You just proved my point, that you have no unbiased source aside from a commentary airhead production of a pro-Israeli news-cast.

Pathetic indeed, destroying people's lives over stupid religious writings.

Does that video actually cite Bibilical scriptures as applicable law? That would be pretty sad.

The Israel & Palestine situation is one that is governed by recent international law and not 3,000 year old fairy tales.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Please read this about the San Remo Mandate which protects Jewish rights to the land and countries' obligations to encourage Jewish settlement.

Mandate For Palestine - The Legal Aspects of Jewish Rights

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I guess you got me...I didn't watch the video...probably because a you tube production is hardly a source of proof that would make me think you're not an airhead religious fanatic which is dooming peace on both sides...provide an unbiased link, and I'll be glad to read it!

That Youtube production is one that explains the facts clearly, which is advantageous with some of the airheads on here. Here is an unbiased link that you want.

San Remo's Mandate: Israel's 'Magna Carta' - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

You just proved my point, that you have no unbiased source aside from a commentary airhead production of a pro-Israeli news-cast.

Pathetic indeed, destroying people's lives over stupid religious writings.

Read this then

Mandate For Palestine - The Legal Aspects of Jewish Rights

 

[Victory67]

Read this then

Mandate For Palestine - The Legal Aspects of Jewish Rights

Are you not aware that the Mandate for Palestine expired in 1948 when the British ended the Mandate and the State of Israel was declared? Plus the fact that the United Nations voted to recognize the State of Israel as a legal and full member of their international body, concluding and fufilling the Mandate's aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine.

Furthermore, the Mandate for Palestine made the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine conditional upon the full and total respect and protection of all civil and religious rights for non-Jews in Palestine, a condition that Israel has been flagrantly violating since 1949.

If the Jewish settlement rights stipiulated in the Mandate are still active than so are the protection for non-Jewish rights, and Israel is in clear and acute violation of those rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Please read this about the San Remo Mandate which protects Jewish rights to the land and countries' obligations to encourage Jewish settlement.

Mandate For Palestine - The Legal Aspects of Jewish Rights

From your link:

The “Mandate for Palestine,” an historical League of Nations document, laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an entitlement unaltered in international law.

The mandate was to assist immigrating Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship.

As citizens of Palestine, they could live anywhere in Palestine that they wish.

The current constitution of Palestine says the same thing.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Read this then

Mandate For Palestine - The Legal Aspects of Jewish Rights

Are you not aware that the Mandate for Palestine expired in 1948 when the British ended the Mandate and the State of Israel was declared? Plus the fact that the United Nations voted to recognize the State of Israel as a legal and full member of their international body, concluding and fufilling the Mandate's aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine.

Furthermore, the Mandate for Palestine made the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine conditional upon the full and total respect and protection of all civil and religious rights for non-Jews in Palestine, a condition that Israel has been flagrantly violating since 1949.

If the Jewish settlement rights stipiulated in the Mandate are still active than so are the protection for non-Jewish rights, and Israel is in clear and acute violation of those rights.

Are you not aware that the UN has to honor the obligations from the Mandate which you would have seen when you saw the video, with proof of that fact. And of course Israel gives the arabs full rights if they are citizens of Israel, but if not then of course they do not have the rights of the arab Israeli citizens.

P.S. I still can't get over how apt your username is!

 

[Victory67]

British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country

San Remo conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country