Israel violated Lebanons territory over 3000 times in 2012

[irosie91]

I do not really think you understand me at all. I do not share any of these Islamic nations or groups Ideologies and I cannot even speak Arabic Or Farsi and talk to any of them and when they gain power they do seem to be oppressive on their own peoples human rights. But I respect each peoples rghts to choose their own leaders and governments and I oppose outsiders invasions and occupations. I see nothing in the world wrong with people or nations supporting others struggles to be free of OCCUPATIONS. And I could care less what the US governments position is, they do not own my mind and my soul!

You very much share the ideologies of islamic nations Do not worry---
some of the most militant islamicists I have known speak neither Farsi nor
Arabic. For a recitation of the first part of the hebrew alphabet, one
of them accused me of "KNOWING ARABIC"

Your support of the islamicist agenda is simply support of the islamicist
agenda and no different in FORM from the approach of your fellow
Pro-hitler propagandaists of the 1930s. You even use the same words--
" ________ have the right to self-determination" "what goes on
between austria and germany is none of our business" 'what germans
do with its population is none of our business" "those who object
are warmongers" "especially those zionist war mongers"
You seem to still hold a grudge against jews because jews were the
first people to object to your "god"----adolf abu ali who was so intent
upon giving you the world for which you long.

If your fellows of the confederate south had it your way----black americans
would still be picking cotton on your plantations----under a whip.
Your issue certainly is "conscience"-----lack thereof.
you are a facilitator of genocides----of which there have been SEVERAL
in the past 67 years.
.

 

[ima]

I do not really think you understand me at all. I do not share any of these Islamic nations or groups Ideologies and I cannot even speak Arabic Or Farsi and talk to any of them and when they gain power they do seem to be oppressive on their own peoples human rights. But I respect each peoples rghts to choose their own leaders and governments and I oppose outsiders invasions and occupations. I see nothing in the world wrong with people or nations supporting others struggles to be free of OCCUPATIONS. And I could care less what the US governments position is, they do not own my mind and my soul!

You very much share the ideologies of islamic nations Do not worry---
some of the most militant islamicists I have known speak neither Farsi nor
Arabic. For a recitation of the first part of the hebrew alphabet, one
of them accused me of "KNOWING ARABIC"

Your support of the islamicist agenda is simply support of the islamicist
agenda and no different in FORM from the approach of your fellow
Pro-hitler propagandaists of the 1930s. You even use the same words--
" ________ have the right to self-determination" "what goes on
between austria and germany is none of our business" 'what germans
do with its population is none of our business" "those who object
are warmongers" "especially those zionist war mongers"
You seem to still hold a grudge against jews because jews were the
first people to object to your "god"----adolf abu ali who was so intent
upon giving you the world for which you long.

If your fellows of the confederate south had it your way----black americans
would still be picking cotton on your plantations----under a whip.
Your issue certainly is "conscience"-----lack thereof.
you are a facilitator of genocides----of which there have been SEVERAL
in the past 67 years.
.

If my family still had slaves, I'd send the biggest one over to your house to give you a good fucking. Sounds like you need it.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

It seems to me that assuming Obama has a brain---that experts within our
government believe that HEZBOLLAH does not have as much power in
Lebanon as it -----had over the past few years and the present government
of Lebanon----might even be ANTI-HEZBOLLAH Let us all remember
----any ALLIANCE OF ARABISTS gets a bit messed up by some under-standable tensions between groups------Muhummad had a son-in-law ---that got killed-------some time ago. This killing has caused family tension
I think that the pro son-in-law group----is Iran and Hezbollah but there are lots of anti son in law people in Lebanon-----so that is how the thing goes.

then there was a problem over a non family guy HARIRI

Power is shared within Lebanon's system of government, between Christians and Sunnis And Shiites. None of them are particularly fond of Israel.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I do not really think you understand me at all. I do not share any of these Islamic nations or groups Ideologies and I cannot even speak Arabic Or Farsi and talk to any of them and when they gain power they do seem to be oppressive on their own peoples human rights. But I respect each peoples rghts to choose their own leaders and governments and I oppose outsiders invasions and occupations. I see nothing in the world wrong with people or nations supporting others struggles to be free of OCCUPATIONS. And I could care less what the US governments position is, they do not own my mind and my soul!

You very much share the ideologies of islamic nations Do not worry---
some of the most militant islamicists I have known speak neither Farsi nor
Arabic. For a recitation of the first part of the hebrew alphabet, one
of them accused me of "KNOWING ARABIC"

Your support of the islamicist agenda is simply support of the islamicist
agenda and no different in FORM from the approach of your fellow
Pro-hitler propagandaists of the 1930s. You even use the same words--
" ________ have the right to self-determination" "what goes on
between austria and germany is none of our business" 'what germans
do with its population is none of our business" "those who object
are warmongers" "especially those zionist war mongers"
You seem to still hold a grudge against jews because jews were the
first people to object to your "god"----adolf abu ali who was so intent
upon giving you the world for which you long.

If your fellows of the confederate south had it your way----black americans
would still be picking cotton on your plantations----under a whip.
Your issue certainly is "conscience"-----lack thereof.
you are a facilitator of genocides----of which there have been SEVERAL
in the past 67 years.
.

Desiring people live in freedom and free from occupations and colonialism is not an Islamic Ideology! But for ideas like that, we in America would still be a colony of Great Britian(now known as the United Kingdom). In the Civil War, some of my ancestors lived in the North and some in the South. My grandfather from Illinois, his family never owned slaves, and I am not responsinle for what anyone did before I wss born.

 

[georgephillip]

PressTV - Israel violated Lebanon?s territory over 3,000 times in 2012

In 2006 Israel invaded Lebanon allegedly in response to Hezbollah capturing Israeli solders.

"The standard Western version is that the July 2006 invasion was justified by legitimate outrage over capture of two Israeli soldiers at the border. The posture is cynical fraud.

"The US and Israel, and the West generally, have little objection to capture of soldiers, or even to the far more severe crime of kidnapping civilians (or of course to killing civilians). That had been Israeli practice in Lebanon for many years, and no one ever suggested that Israel should therefore be invaded and largely destroyed."

Israel has also routinely stopped maritime traffic in the waters between Lebanon and Cyprus and kidnapped civilians that disappear without a trace into the Zionist gulag.

"Chosen" people are just different from the rest of humanity, or are they?

On the US-Israeli Invasion of Lebanon, by Noam Chomsky

 

[PredFan]

That's just about one for every rocket that was fired on Israel in 2012. That seems very fair to me.

 

[irosie91]

It seems to me that assuming Obama has a brain---that experts within our
government believe that HEZBOLLAH does not have as much power in
Lebanon as it -----had over the past few years and the present government
of Lebanon----might even be ANTI-HEZBOLLAH Let us all remember
----any ALLIANCE OF ARABISTS gets a bit messed up by some under-standable tensions between groups------Muhummad had a son-in-law ---that got killed-------some time ago. This killing has caused family tension
I think that the pro son-in-law group----is Iran and Hezbollah but there are lots of anti son in law people in Lebanon-----so that is how the thing goes.

then there was a problem over a non family guy HARIRI

Power is shared within Lebanon's system of government, between Christians and Sunnis And Shiites. None of them are particularly fond of Israel.

sherri --your pathetic ignorance still amazes me. That model you described
regarding the politics of Lebanon half christian and half muslim-----is something
you probably learned in grammar school. It has been falling apart for decades
I come from a part of the USA that has attracted SO
MANY LEBANESE people----that as a child since they were---almost "ALL
CHRISTIANs I assumed all of Lebanon to be christian---except for the few
jews that popped up in the mix. I was still a teen, 1967---when I walked into
our local green grocer---the grocer threw up his hands and
called to me "DON'T BLAME ME---THEY DON'T LIKE
ME EITHER" Right now Lebanon is in danger of dropping into the cosmic
cesspit of islamicism. that 50:50 thing will soon be out the window.
Your style remains ---consistently nazi-ish To some extent
typical WASP-ish nazi-ish-----but I am not sure. You seem more and
more -muslim-ish every day

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

for the record----contrary to the assertions of the
board islamo nazi pigs-----Occupation by a
victorious nation following a war is not illegal
under any code of "international law"
nor is "RESISTENCE TO OCCUPATION" by ANY
MEANS
utterly LEGAL by any code of "international
law" ----the sluts and dogs are simply lying.
They are simply in compliance with SHARIAH LAW
which renders all nations invaded, pillaged
and subjugated by islamic forces ---legally
MUSLIM LAND forever and all non muslims
therein----vassals to the islamic state to which
resistence is a capital crime.

The UN Charter makes military conquest of land unlawful, Occupations are supposed to be temporary measures. Israel will never have sovereignty rights in Occupied Palestine.

 

[jillian]

That's just about one for every rocket that was fired on Israel in 2012. That seems very fair to me.

you know that doesn't count to the anti-semitic cow.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

It seems to me that assuming Obama has a brain---that experts within our
government believe that HEZBOLLAH does not have as much power in
Lebanon as it -----had over the past few years and the present government
of Lebanon----might even be ANTI-HEZBOLLAH Let us all remember
----any ALLIANCE OF ARABISTS gets a bit messed up by some under-standable tensions between groups------Muhummad had a son-in-law ---that got killed-------some time ago. This killing has caused family tension
I think that the pro son-in-law group----is Iran and Hezbollah but there are lots of anti son in law people in Lebanon-----so that is how the thing goes.

then there was a problem over a non family guy HARIRI

Power is shared within Lebanon's system of government, between Christians and Sunnis And Shiites. None of them are particularly fond of Israel.

sherri --your pathetic ignorance still amazes me. That model you described
regarding the politics of Lebanon half christian and half muslim-----is something
you probably learned in grammar school. It has been falling apart for decades
I come from a part of the USA that has attracted SO
MANY LEBANESE people----that as a child since they were---almost "ALL
CHRISTIANs I assumed all of Lebanon to be christian---except for the few
jews that popped up in the mix. I was still a teen, 1967---when I walked into
our local green grocer---the grocer threw up his hands and
called to me "DON'T BLAME ME---THEY DON'T LIKE
ME EITHER" Right now Lebanon is in danger of dropping into the cosmic
cesspit of islamicism. that 50:50 thing will soon be out the window.
Your style remains ---consistently nazi-ish To some extent
typical WASP-ish nazi-ish-----but I am not sure. You seem more and
more -muslim-ish every day

No, it is the form of government they agreed upon after brutal civil wars and it is a complicated system of power sharing among different ethnic sectarian groups.

 

[georgephillip]

PressTV - Israel violated Lebanon?s territory over 3,000 times in 2012

And I read from your article that these acts, a violation of Leabanon's sovereignty rights, also violate a UN Security Council Resolution, Resolution 1701.

These kinds of acts, flying planes into another nation's airspace are declarations of war under intl law. Can one imagine the US putting up with such acts from Mexico?

But Israel holds herself above intl law, violating intl law with impunity every single day of her close to 70 year existence.

We see a Rogue Nation, Israel, the unlawful occupier of Palestine, the baby killer nation, who killed close to 20,000 Lebanese civilians in her invasion of Lebanon in 1982, 40% or more of whom were children, who unlawfully occupied Southern Lebanon for 18 years from 1982 to 2000, who still illegally occupies part of Lebanon, Sheeba Farms, who killed over 1000 civilians in Lebanon in 2006, unlawfully targeting civilians.

How long is the world going to allow these illegalities to continue?

It is time for intl sanctions, it is time for Israel to start abiding by intl law!

Sherri

Can one imagine the US putting up with such acts from Mexico?

No, I can't imagine the US putting up with war crimes launched from Mexico.

If a neighbor launched rockets at US civilian areas, we'd have show much less restraint than Israel shows.

Does your imagination stretch far enough to encompass what will happen to Mexico when the Pentagon can no longer borrow enough money to kill hundreds (thousands?) of innocent Muslims on the opposite side of the planet?

 

[irosie91]

for the record----contrary to the assertions of the
board islamo nazi pigs-----Occupation by a
victorious nation following a war is not illegal
under any code of "international law"
nor is "RESISTENCE TO OCCUPATION" by ANY
MEANS
utterly LEGAL by any code of "international
law" ----the sluts and dogs are simply lying.
They are simply in compliance with SHARIAH LAW
which renders all nations invaded, pillaged
and subjugated by islamic forces ---legally
MUSLIM LAND forever and all non muslims
therein----vassals to the islamic state to which
resistence is a capital crime.

The UN Charter makes military conquest of land unlawful, Occupations are supposed to be temporary measures. Israel will never have sovereignty rights in Occupied Palestine.

Sherri is doing the lawyer's tango again-----she is pedaling not only BACKWARDS--
but in heels. Now try to focus There is no issue at all regarding
Military Conquest ---in the west bank since that border
was never established. I know this is a stretch---
for a "lawyer" like you----but the situation regarding
jerusalem----which was taken from an in excess of 2000
year old indigenous jewish in 1947 ----was not a "military
conquest"?? It was the jordanian army that instituted the
starvation siege and eventually TOOK east jerusalem which
was never PART of JORDAN before -----after 1967 they
did not know what to do with it so they abandoned it
Similar comments are true of Hebron etc.

As to temporary ---occupation---right----it should be
"temporary" ----time to straigten things out----not
create a CHARTER calling for the ANNHILATION of
the other side or tying bombs to the stinking asses of
your whores and daughters and other sluts As to
your incessant claim that occupied nations have the
right to slit the throats of the people in the other country---
that law exists in SHARIAH LAW and to some extent
JUSTINIAN/NUREMBERG LAW----but not in any international
code amongst HUMANS

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

There is a great difference between the US providing military assistance to a Middle Eastern countries like Lebanon and Israel --- and that --- of Iran used to support despot regimes and terrorist organizations.

The Obama administration decided to resume its military assistance to Lebanon although by Thursday there was not yet any official confirmation about the decision, As Safir daily said.

News outlets are reporting that the U.S. government has approved a startling increase of military aid to Lebanon, increasing the size of the country’s potent assault helicopter force by an unprecedented 25%.
SOURCE: Some Background Reading on U.S. Military Assistance to Lebanon « Qifa Nabki

The chairman of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Howard Berman, suspended a $100 million assistance to the Lebanese army in August 2010 over concerns that Hizbullah may have influence over the country's army and American-supplied weapons could be used to threaten Israel.
SOURCE: Report: U.S. Unblocks Military Aid to Lebanon

So, I guess every time the US sends Israel a weapons shipment they violate Israel's sovereignty? Using your rationale, that would be my conclusion!

(COMMENT)

While I personally, don't agree with the US Policy of providing support to any Arab Nation (Military - Foreign Aid - or otherwise), the fact is that where we can, we often do. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia - all get some sort of aid from the US as an incentive or bribe to further peace in the region.

On the other hand, Iran is operating arms shipment to the opposite ends; the promotion of conflict and spreading the militant chaos for which it has become known and famous.

Again, you can hold a different opinion; I respect that. You may support the goals and objectives of Iran and there support of the despot regime of Syria and the associated terrorist organizations (like Hezbollah) that further Iranian interests in the matter. I don't care. But I wish you would not attempt to shroud it in some glamourous and pious cause. The Palestinian support derived from Hezbollah (in all it subsidiary forms) is counterproductive for peace in the region and derivative of the same source that maintains the Assad civil suppression efforts; which much of the Arab World opposes. As Hezbollah and it's puppet master (Iran) become more successful, the greater the cost to the civil resistance in places like Syria. Hezbollah is not an honorable endeavor.

Most Respectfully,
R

ABOUT your initial statement, I see no real difference between the US arming people and Iran doing it.I do not see "a good kiiling." If one side has arms it is hypocritical to deny the other side that same right and one more time resistance to occupation is lawful.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

for the record----contrary to the assertions of the
board islamo nazi pigs-----Occupation by a
victorious nation following a war is not illegal
under any code of "international law"
nor is "RESISTENCE TO OCCUPATION" by ANY
MEANS
utterly LEGAL by any code of "international
law" ----the sluts and dogs are simply lying.
They are simply in compliance with SHARIAH LAW
which renders all nations invaded, pillaged
and subjugated by islamic forces ---legally
MUSLIM LAND forever and all non muslims
therein----vassals to the islamic state to which
resistence is a capital crime.

The UN Charter makes military conquest of land unlawful, Occupations are supposed to be temporary measures. Israel will never have sovereignty rights in Occupied Palestine.

Sherri is doing the lawyer's tango again-----she is pedaling not only BACKWARDS--
but in heels. Now try to focus There is no issue at all regarding
Military Conquest ---in the west bank since that border
was never established. I know this is a stretch---
for a "lawyer" like you----but the situation regarding
jerusalem----which was taken from an in excess of 2000
year old indigenous jewish in 1947 ----was not a "military
conquest"?? It was the jordanian army that instituted the
starvation siege and eventually TOOK east jerusalem which
was never PART of JORDAN before -----after 1967 they
did not know what to do with it so they abandoned it
Similar comments are true of Hebron etc.

As to temporary ---occupation---right----it should be
"temporary" ----time to straigten things out----not
create a CHARTER calling for the ANNHILATION of
the other side or tying bombs to the stinking asses of
your whores and daughters and other sluts As to
your incessant claim that occupied nations have the
right to slit the throats of the people in the other country---
that law exists in SHARIAH LAW and to some extent
JUSTINIAN/NUREMBERG LAW----but not in any international
code amongst HUMANS

Israel occupies Palestine, that is fact that intl legal authorities agree on, a Palestine the UN even now recognixes.We are all waiting for Israel to end that illegal 45 year Occupation of Palestine!

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is where you and I disagree.

Israel is a military occupation of Palestine. The Palestinians have the right to remove that occupation. How can that be terrorism?

(COMMENT)

Israel, itself, is a recognized nation. Just because you don't agree, doesn't make it untrue.

While Israel does control some additional land - referred to as the Occupied Territories, doesn't mean that the indigenous population has a right to insurrection. (That is a different issue.) Before the land came under Israeli control, it was under the control of the UK in the form of the British Mandate. It did not have Palestinian Rule during the term of the mandate. Before it was under the British mandate, it belonged to the Ottoman Empire; again, not under Palestinian Rule.

The idea that the people known as Palestinians have some inherent right, that gives them some dispensation to commit acts of violence has yet to be established. But the Occupation does not change the fact that the people known as the Palestinians never really controlled that land (at least for the last 4 Centuries).

Now the argument over "should their be a Palestinian State" and the argument over "should Israel withdraw to the 1967 borders," are questions that need a settlement. But it doesn't rise to the level of conflict that the Arab World incited and resulted in the compound losses in control.

Israel is not occupying the State of Palestine. There is no State of Palestine.

• NOTE: I acknowledge that there are "some" (fewer by the day) of the people known as "Palestinians" in the area known as the "Occupied Territories" that may have a cause of action and legitimate grievances. But it is not a justification for indiscriminate terrorism action.

You and I will never agree on this. You believe that theses various Palestinian Terrorist operators have some right to use violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims and questionable claims; outside a judicial process or sanctioned diplomatic settlement process. I do not. You attempt to twist the terminology and facts to fit your agenda in an effort to justify war, suicide bombings, assignations, indiscriminate indirect fire, attacks on civilian targets, the formation of armed gangs of thugs, rabble, and bandits to further a dispute, rather than engaging customary law. This is the promotion of terrorism.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, I have to be at work at 7 AM but I will leave you with the 1949 armistice agreements. These took place after resolution 181, after Israel declared its independence from the mandate, after the end of the mandate, and after the end of the 1948 war.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

This is one of the most important parts of the armistice agreements.

Article II

1. In pursuance of the foregoing principles and of the resolutions of the Security Council of 4 and 16 November 1948, a general armistice between the armed forces of the two Parties-land, sea and air-is hereby established.

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is a cessation of fighting without anyone surrendering.

When Israel says that the Arabs lost the 1948 war it is not true.

 

[RoccoR]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

What are the elements that are included in the concept of "Occupation?"

I do not share any of these Islamic nations or groups Ideologies and I cannot even speak Arabic Or Farsi and talk to any of them and when they gain power they do seem to be oppressive on their own peoples human rights.

(COMMENT)

While this is more often true than not, it is an outcome to the right to choose their own destiny. Nothing is free, especially freedom. It is something extremely hard to maintain and nurture. Some cultures throw it away as something requiring too much effort to maintain.

But I respect each peoples rghts to choose their own leaders and governments and I oppose outsiders invasions and occupations. I see nothing in the world wrong with people or nations supporting others struggles to be free of OCCUPATIONS.

(COMMENT)

The "Occupation" --- as in the "Occupied Territories" is an occupation of who's territory?

• In court, who would be the plaintiff? (Confusing, as there is no real Palestinian People or government that was injured.)

Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, with Israel, entered into the arrangement which we call the 1949 Armistice Agreements; which establishes the Armistice Demarcation Lines (or Green Line) between Israeli forces and the forces in Jordanian-held West Bank; and the Demarcation Lines (Blue Line) between Israeli forces and the forces in Lebanon.

In the case of Gaza it was Egypt. Between 1949 and 1959, Gaza had an Palestinian Government, but it was dissolved (a polite diplomatic way of saying the Egyptians stepped-in and took over). This is the last you ever hear of the "Palestinian Government." Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt (not the Palestinians) in the Six-Day War in 1967.

And I could care less what the US governments position is, they do not own my mind and my soul!

(COMIC MODE)

Contrary to popular belief, there is no collective mind in the US. In fact many would argue that the US lost its mind many decades ago. And if you've ever worked with the IRS, you'll know the government has no heart. Hearts and Minds come as a set, and the US is always trying to win them, but seldom ever do.

If you have a good mind for sale, I suspect that Washington is the place to sell it. There are very few in Washington that have a mind, let alone know what to do with yours. Washington runs on political algorithms untethered by morales and ethics.

As for the "soul" --- we have a strict "separation" between church and state. The church gets your soul, the state gets your money.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

There is a great difference between the US providing military assistance to a Middle Eastern countries like Lebanon and Israel --- and that --- of Iran used to support despot regimes and terrorist organizations.

The Obama administration decided to resume its military assistance to Lebanon although by Thursday there was not yet any official confirmation about the decision, As Safir daily said.



The chairman of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Howard Berman, suspended a $100 million assistance to the Lebanese army in August 2010 over concerns that Hizbullah may have influence over the country's army and American-supplied weapons could be used to threaten Israel.
SOURCE: Report: U.S. Unblocks Military Aid to Lebanon

So, I guess every time the US sends Israel a weapons shipment they violate Israel's sovereignty? Using your rationale, that would be my conclusion!

(COMMENT)

While I personally, don't agree with the US Policy of providing support to any Arab Nation (Military - Foreign Aid - or otherwise), the fact is that where we can, we often do. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia - all get some sort of aid from the US as an incentive or bribe to further peace in the region.

On the other hand, Iran is operating arms shipment to the opposite ends; the promotion of conflict and spreading the militant chaos for which it has become known and famous.

Again, you can hold a different opinion; I respect that. You may support the goals and objectives of Iran and there support of the despot regime of Syria and the associated terrorist organizations (like Hezbollah) that further Iranian interests in the matter. I don't care. But I wish you would not attempt to shroud it in some glamourous and pious cause. The Palestinian support derived from Hezbollah (in all it subsidiary forms) is counterproductive for peace in the region and derivative of the same source that maintains the Assad civil suppression efforts; which much of the Arab World opposes. As Hezbollah and it's puppet master (Iran) become more successful, the greater the cost to the civil resistance in places like Syria. Hezbollah is not an honorable endeavor.

Most Respectfully,
R

ABOUT your initial statement, I see no real difference between the US arming people and Iran doing it.I do not see "a good kiiling." If one side has arms it is hypocritical to deny the other side that same right and one more time resistance to occupation is lawful.

Syria is a nation with a civil war going on, we seem to be on the side of The Muslim Brotherhood and Iran is on the side Of Assad . It is hard for me to see one as better than the other, and I do not know why we are supporting there the people we call elsewhere terrorists?????

 

[irosie91]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

There is a great difference between the US providing military assistance to a Middle Eastern countries like Lebanon and Israel --- and that --- of Iran used to support despot regimes and terrorist organizations.

The Obama administration decided to resume its military assistance to Lebanon although by Thursday there was not yet any official confirmation about the decision, As Safir daily said.



The chairman of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Howard Berman, suspended a $100 million assistance to the Lebanese army in August 2010 over concerns that Hizbullah may have influence over the country's army and American-supplied weapons
could be used to threaten Israel.
SOURCE: Report: U.S. Unblocks Military Aid to Lebanon

So, I guess every time the US sends Israel a weapons shipment they violate Israel's sovereignty? Using your rationale, that would be my conclusion!

(COMMENT)
While I personally, don't agree with the US Policy of providing support to any Arab Nation (Military - Foreign Aid - or otherwise), the fact is that where we can, we often do. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia - all get some sort of aid from the US as an incentive or bribe to further peace in the region.

On the other hand, Iran is operating arms shipment to the opposite ends; the promotion of conflict and spreading the militant chaos for which it has become known and famous.

Again, you can hold a different opinion; I respect that. You may support the goals and objectives of Iran and there support of the despot regime of Syria and the associated terrorist organizations (like Hezbollah) that further Iranian interests in the matter. I don't care. But I wish you would not attempt to shroud it in some glamourous and pious cause. The Palestinian support derived from Hezbollah (in all it subsidiary forms) is counterproductive for
peace in the region and derivative of the same source that maintains the Assad civil suppression efforts; which much of the Arab World opposes. As Hezbollah and it's puppet master (Iran) become more successful, the greater the cost to the civil resistance in places like Syria. Hezbollah is not an honorable endeavor.

Most Respectfully,
R

ABOUT your initial statement, I see no real difference between the US arming people and Iran doing it.I do not see "a good kiiling." If one side has arms it is hypocritical to deny the other side that same right and one more time resistance to occupation is lawful.

One more time---sherri endorses islamic rights to slit the throats of kafir
infants for the glory of ISA, A true daughter of THE REICHS
Romans---the earliest REICH RULERS agreed
Pontius Pilate ---official PROCURATOR OF JUDEA (not palestina)
did execute an estimated 20,000 jews in the course of his glorious
ten year career for RESISTING OCCUPATION

The heirs---the shariah shit enforcers did execute an estiimate two
million armenians---men, women and children ---for RESISTING
OCCUPATION

even today---the shariah shit enforcers and their supporters continue
to execute anyone who questions the their absolute RIGHT TO RULE
----well its quiet now-----something like in the dozens daily

I have never been an advocate of those genocides that sherri supports.
Battles are battles but her support of grabbing infants from cribs
and slitting their throats in HONOR OF RIGHT AND GOODNESS AND
DECENCY AND JUSTICE AND ISA-----just does not appeal to me

 

[irosie91]

From sherri---regarding the form of Lebanon's governance>>>>

No, it is the form of government they agreed upon after brutal civil wars and it is a complicated system of power sharing among different ethnic sectarian groups.


Historically she got it right (from wikki) and for a long time it
worked out fairly well. Sherri did not wake from her coma to
notice that NOW IT IS FALLING APART under islamic attack---
in fact has been for several decades

During the time it was working-----going to Lebanon was easy
for jews------and Israelis kinda like Turkey. Both lands
are now slipping into the cosmic cesspit of islamicism to
the delight of nazis worldwide

the few christians left in government now----stay there by kissing
islamic ass ----something like that poor jerk whose name escapes
me who was a chaldean official under sherri's other hero SADAAM,
At the end he was not sure what to claim "they forced me...??"
etc etc-----I just could not hate him----he did seem like a victim
no matter how jerky he was

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

SherriMunnerlyn, et al,

What are the elements that are included in the concept of "Occupation?"

I do not share any of these Islamic nations or groups Ideologies and I cannot even speak Arabic Or Farsi and talk to any of them and when they gain power they do seem to be oppressive on their own peoples human rights.

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While this is more often true than not, it is an outcome to the right to choose their own destiny. Nothing is free, especially freedom. It is something extremely hard to maintain and nurture. Some cultures throw it away as something requiring too much effort to maintain.

But I respect each peoples rghts to choose their own leaders and governments and I oppose outsiders invasions and occupations. I see nothing in the world wrong with people or nations supporting others struggles to be free of OCCUPATIONS.

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The "Occupation" --- as in the "Occupied Territories" is an occupation of who's territory?

• In court, who would be the plaintiff? (Confusing, as there is no real Palestinian People or government that was injured.)

Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, with Israel, entered into the arrangement which we call the 1949 Armistice Agreements; which establishes the Armistice Demarcation Lines (or Green Line) between Israeli forces and the forces in Jordanian-held West Bank; and the Demarcation Lines (Blue Line) between Israeli forces and the forces in Lebanon.

In the case of Gaza it was Egypt. Between 1949 and 1959, Gaza had an Palestinian Government, but it was dissolved (a polite diplomatic way of saying the Egyptians stepped-in and took over). This is the last you ever hear of the "Palestinian Government." Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt (not the Palestinians) in the Six-Day War in 1967.

And I could care less what the US governments position is, they do not own my mind and my soul!

(COMIC MODE)

Contrary to popular belief, there is no collective mind in the US. In fact many would argue that the US lost its mind many decades ago. And if you've ever worked with the IRS, you'll know the government has no heart. Hearts and Minds come as a set, and the US is always trying to win them, but seldom ever do.

If you have a good mind for sale, I suspect that Washington is the place to sell it. There are very few in Washington that have a mind, let alone know what to do with yours. Washington runs on political algorithms untethered by morales and ethics.

As for the "soul" --- we have a strict "separation" between church and state. The church gets your soul, the state gets your money.

Most Respectfully,
R

The International Court of Justice issued an Advisory Opinion on the Wall in 2004 and they in great depth addressed the legal status under intl law of East Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza and held they were occupied by Israel. Their holding was unanimous on this, I think there are 9 or 10 judges on this Highest Intl World Court. This opinion that these lands are occupied by Israel is shared by the UN and all intl legal authorities. There really is no issue to debate about it. I refer you to that opinion to read and I am on my phone so I can't easily put up a link right now, you can google it , International court of justice opinion on the wall 2004. Another point, when Israel was admitted into the UN in 1949, the admission was allowed only after Israel agreed before the UN that they would abide by two resolutions, the UN Had recently paased, one resolution wss to allow a Palestinian State to be formed in the borders set forth in Resolution 181, the UN Partition Plan. The second resolution they agreed to follow was the resolution that demanded the Palestinian refugees who had fled in the fighting be allowed to return to their homes. The world is still awaiting for Israel to abide by these two Resolutions, to end the occupation and alliw the Pa lestinisn refugees to return to their homes.