'Defense sources: Iran regime change not military goal, creating conditions for it is'

[SweetTea]

October 7th happened because the Zionists stole Palestinian land, not because Iran got their assets back.

Regardless of the motivation, they were funded and directed by Iran.

Qatar gave Hamas 5 billion dollars with Bibi's approval. Bibi enabled Hamas for decades so he could use them as a foil against Fatah and the PA.

Patently false. Israel was NOT for the deal Obama made nor did they approve of the money given to Iran. Your information is could’n’t be more incorrect. This goes a long way in explaining why you feel as you do. Your sources flat out lie to you.

As for how the Iran deal benefited the US, well, we got Iranian Oil back on the market, that brought down oil prices. We got Iran's cooperation on dealing with ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

Oil prices were rising because of idiotic policies in the US by the Democrats. Relying on oil from Iran was a dumb idea to begin with, but like the leftist Western Europeans, you guys are too thick to understand that.

The problem is people like you think that Israel's interests should outweigh America's interests.

Nope, I just think we have mutual interest.

No, the problem with right-wingers is that they think that America should only make deals that benefit America, and screw everyone else. This is why Trump's tariff policies are an absolute failure. Everyone else is just working around us now.

The problem with left-wingers is that you don’t seem to get that most countries want the best deal for their country. That is how negotiations work. If negotiating deals is what you do for a living, that explains your lack of success.

The best deal (and I make deals for a living) is where everyone walks away happy.

Everyone can be happy, but the bottom line is that the person holding all the cards gets the long end of the stick. That is the real world, not your childish fantasy land.

 

[Muhammed]

The reasons and the goals for this immoral war change almost hourly.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

To his credit, Bibi is trying to get the entire world against Israel and he's doing an amazing job of it

 

[JoeB131]

Patently false. Israel was NOT for the deal Obama made nor did they approve of the money given to Iran. Your information is could’n’t be more incorrect. This goes a long way in explaining why you feel as you do. Your sources flat out lie to you.

Are you retarded? Of course, Israel wasn't for the deal, but they had no problem with the Qataris giving billions to Hamas.

Oil prices were rising because of idiotic policies in the US by the Democrats. Relying on oil from Iran was a dumb idea to begin with, but like the leftist Western Europeans, you guys are too thick to understand that.

Oil is a commodity. It's cheaper to get it out of the ground in Iran than it is to frack some shale in this country and poison our own water supplies.

The problem with left-wingers is that you don’t seem to get that most countries want the best deal for their country. That is how negotiations work. If negotiating deals is what you do for a living, that explains your lack of success.

Actually, I'm fantastically successful. As opposed to you, living in a trailer park in a state you are too embarrassed to even name.

Everyone can be happy, but the bottom line is that the person holding all the cards gets the long end of the stick. That is the real world, not your childish fantasy land.

Um, let's look at that.

US Trade Deficit hit a record high last year.

U.S. trade deficit totaled $901 billion in 2025, barely budging despite Trump's tariffs

The U.S. trade deficit swelled in December, closing out a year in which the imbalance was essentially unchanged.

www.cnbc.com

China had record exports in 2025

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/chinas-exports-turbocharge-into-2026-after-record-breaking-year-2026-03-10/

The US lost 108,000 Manufacturing jobs

NEW DATA: During Trump’s First Year, the Manufacturing Industry Lost 108,000 Jobs - NEW DATA: During Trump’s First Year, the Manufacturing Industry Lost 108,000 Jobs - United States Joint Economic Committee

Trump really is running the country like one of his businesses.

 

[SweetTea]

Are you retarded? Of course, Israel wasn't for the deal, but they had no problem with the Qataris giving billions to Hamas.

I mis-read your post above to say that Israel was in favor of the deal.

Oil is a commodity. It's cheaper to get it out of the ground in Iran than it is to frack some shale in this country and poison our own water supplies.

Dependency on a country intent in your destruction is a.horrible idea.

Actually, I'm fantastically successful. As opposed to you, living in a trailer park in a state you are too embarrassed to even name.

Yeah, ok. We are back to the everyone living in the South lives in a trailer park. You have posted your income on this board. You dont make as much as the median in my town. I can only imagine where you fall in a high cost of living area near Chicago. I am a technical professional with years of experience. My wife is a physician. We do not live in a trailer park, in fact have multiple homes. Why do you think I am not for raising taxes on the "rich" and argue that point with your fellow supposedly wealthy Democrat citygator

Believe what you will, but your attitude towards the rich proves just how far you are from being there yourself.

 

[Lockback]

I mis-read your post above to say that Israel was in favor of the deal.



Dependency on a country intent in your destruction is a horrible idea.

Such a good point. Simple, true and to the point.

Yeah, ok. We are back to the everyone living in the South lives in a trailer park. You have posted your income on this board. You dont make as much as the median in my town. I can only imagine where you fall in a high cost of living area near Chicago. I am a technical professional with years of experience. My wife is a physician. We do not live in a trailer park, in fact have multiple homes. Why do you think I am not for raising taxes on the "rich" and argue that point with your fellow supposedly wealthy Democrat citygator

Believe what you will, but your attitude towards the rich proves just how far you are from being there yourself.

I really despise the Far Left because of their snobby elitism and arrogance.
These are horrible people and completely ignorant about their fellow countrymen. It's frankly disgusting.

 

[JoeB131]

Dependency on a country intent in your destruction is a.horrible idea.

I agree. We should invest in alternative energy and break our dependence on oil.

A lot smarter than a 40-year war, trying to keep the oil flowing while keeping the Jews happy.

Why do you think I am not for raising taxes on the "rich" and argue that point with your fellow supposedly wealthy Democrat @citygator

Because you are a programmed little robot.

Believe what you will, but your attitude towards the rich proves just how far you are from being there yourself.

I do fine for my wife and myself. We don't need a mansion, a yacht or a dressage horse.

We both know you don't have any of those things, Cleetus

I really despise the Far Left because of their snobby elitism and arrogance.
These are horrible people and completely ignorant about their fellow countrymen. It's frankly disgusting.

Sadly, I know the inbreds of the South very well. Which is why I have such contempt for them.

If I didn't think they'd go back to oppressing black people, I'd be fine kicking them to the curb as the 'New Confederacy"

 

[eagle1462010]

To his credit, Bibi is trying to get the entire world against Israel and he's doing an amazing job of it

People like you do that everyday. You spread HATE of Israel. Israel and the U.S. are doing what had to be done.

47 years too late.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

People like you do that everyday. You spread HATE of Israel. Israel and the U.S. are doing what had to be done.

47 years too late.

This is from someone who can’t tell the difference between Zionism and Judaism

 

[eagle1462010]

This is from someone who can’t tell the difference between Zionism and Judaism

BS You are just trying to deflect that Iran is getting its ass kicked.

People like you dont want them funished off

 

[CrusaderFrank]

BS You are just trying to deflect that Iran is getting its ass kicked.

People like you dont want them funished off

I thought we were liberating the people of Iran?

Also, why is our "Greatest Ally" attacking an entirely different country?

 

[eagle1462010]

I thought we were liberating the people of Iran?

We are killing their military dummy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We are killing their military dummy

Really?

 

[eagle1462010]

Really?

Oil burns black

So

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oil burns black

So

In Tehran, the Capital City of Iran. Why, it's as if our "Greatest Ally" wanted to inflict maximum damage on the people of Tehran

Huh, weird behavior to defeat the military and help the People take charge

 

[eagle1462010]

In Tehran, the Capital City of Iran. Why, it's as if our "Greatest Ally" wanted to inflict maximum damage on the people of Tehran

Huh, weird behavior to defeat the military and help the People take charge

The mullahs must be destroyed. There will be pain before the people can attempt to take back the country.

That will ultimately be on them

 

[SweetTea]

I agree. We should invest in alternative energy and break our dependence on oil.

Sure and allow the inefficiencies of alternative energy to put us further behind countries that aren’t dumb enough to make that move too quickly. Another brilliant strategy that our enemies would love nothing more than for us to adopt. I have no problem with exploring alternative energy, but the rush to adopt it in the name of climate change is silly and those that do so will lose in the world economy.

A lot smarter than a 40-year war, trying to keep the oil flowing while keeping the Jews happy.

Or drill in our own country and build more nuclear power plants. Maybe you didn’t realize that our country is very rich in natural resources.

Because you are a programmed little robot.

Says a fully indoctrinated Democrat who does nothing but toe the line for the far left.

Sadly, I know the inbreds of the South very well. Which is why I have such contempt for them.

If I didn't think they'd go back to oppressing black people, I'd be fine kicking them to the curb as the 'New Confederacy"

The South has plenty of successful, educated people.

I find it interesting that you continually criticize supposed prejudices(every ism and phobia there is) while repeating a regional stereotype. Indoctrination often leads to strange contradictions like this.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The mullahs must be destroyed. There will be pain before the people can attempt to take back the country.

That will ultimately be on them

"There will be pain before the people can attempt to take back the country" is I think Chapter 6 or 7

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The mullahs must be destroyed. There will be pain before the people can attempt to take back the country.

That will ultimately be on them

That's like Iran suddenly decided to attack the Vatican.

Religious fanatics must be exterminated - to please our Gd!

 

[eagle1462010]

That's like Iran suddenly decided to attack the Vatican.

Religious fanatics must be exterminated - to please our Gd!

We are at War. Do you know what that means?

Hmmm