Israel spraying toxins over Palestinian crops in Gaza

[Billo_Really]

IF Gaza was being attacked they would have the right to defend themselves. But they are not being attacked.

They are being blockaded in order to prevent them from making indiscriminate, illegal, belligerent attacks on innocent Israeli citizens. The way to end the blockade is to end the attacks. Easy peasy.

Are you really asking if Gaza has the right to try to win land by force? You might even want to phrase it as "win land back by force" but that is an entirely different question than whether or not they have a right to defend themselves. There is nothing to defend themselves FROM as they are not being attacked.

The blockade, is the cause of the attacks. It's Israel just being mean, like the spraying of their crops. And when they're not spraying crops, they're uprooting olive trees; and when they're not uprooting olive trees, they're shooting at farmers when they harvest. And when they're not shooting at farmers when they harvest, they're bulldozing homes of doctors. And if anyone gets in their way, they run them over with the dozer, stop and back up on to the body one more time, then continue their demolition.

The spraying of crops is just another brick in the wall for Israel deliberately trying to make the Palestinian's daily life a living hell, so they would go away. But that ain't gonna happen. Sooner or later, the world is going to put a stop to this, just like it did to Germany in WWII.

 

[Shusha]

Billo_Really , Do you really think that if the blockade was lifted today that the attacks from Gaza would stop?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo_Really , Do you really think that if the blockade was lifted today that the attacks from Gaza would stop?

There was a cease fire a year ago last August where they were to negotiate a truce. What happened to that?

Actually there has been a truce on the table for a decade now waiting for Israel to respond.

 

[Phoenall]

Lets just focus on reality here and all admit the original OP claim is just another palestinian lie intended to discredit Israel because the truth simply doesn't support the palestinian revisionist narrative.

Its more than obvious that there is no supporting evidence to the racism being expressed against Israel and the only way the bigots can hope to defend themselves is to lie

In the end the truth hurts. Racism is seldom if ever supported in fact.

Yeah, let's focus on reality here....

You cannot provide ANY evidence that the OP is a lie...

Go figure!

THat's not how it works Humanity. As with the "fake" Begin quote in another thread. ASSERTION of a lie doesn't REQUIRE us to prove it wrong. It requires YOU to provide the evidence and the details.

Forgive me, but in the REAL world that is EXACTLY how it works....

I put forward two articles that state that Israel is being naughty and, because you don't like it, call it a lie...

As with the "Begin quote" there are PLENTY of links out there putting forward 'evidence' that the quote is 'fake'....

Yet, you cannot produce a single piece of information to counter my OP....

NO you gave one source as evidence, just because two Islamic carriers both posted the same story does not mean they compliment each other. So in reality you have provided an unsubstantiated piece of islamonazi propaganda that has no concrete evidence to support it. When shown this to be the case you bleat on about there being no evidence to prove your false claim wrong.
Now prove that the Isreali's are deliberately spraying crops with poisons that linger in the soil for years, the fact that their own crops are very close and would also be affected proves this to be yet another islamonazi blood libel.

 

[Phoenall]

Have done and shown that the entries are just islamonazi LIES and Propaganda, Just like this recent BLOOS LIBEL that is in only two places and both have the same islamonazi source. We can always tell when you are caught spreading lies as you come out with your zionut claims as if hinting at mental problems will gain you support.

So links to your claims are required so they can be taken apart and shown to be anti semitic racism and Jew hatred. Then you might stop lying about Israel and the Jews so much when you are ridiculed and have your words shown to be LIES garnered from hare sites and Nazi sources. By the way not one of the many thousands of claimed breaches of International law have ever been proven because many are based on laws that have never existed or where enacted many years after the event. The truth of the matter is Israel is within the law all the time which is why they have never been subject to close scrutiny if they were then other nations would be found to be at fault and they would face censure and recriminations.

 

[Humanity]

The truth of the matter is Israel is within the law all the time

Only the 26th January 2016 and we already have the funniest quote of the year!

 

[Phoenall]

So any ALLEGATION is suddenly TRUTH?? Never been that way in the civilized world pal..

Let's see....

There can be NO allegation "suddenly" becoming the truth... That is given...

However, in real life, a case can be put forward that, upon investigation, can be debated, discussed and, if possible, proven wrong...

When there is NO physical evidence against TWO independent sources being produced one has to question whether the 'facts' presented are, actually a lie OR just something that opponents don't agree with...

In this case....

Two articles, from different sources have been presented, from two different occurrences of what, basically, is a repeat of the first...

Now, I'm not stating that they are 'factual'... I am simply presenting a case....

As it appears that there is ZERO 'evidence' being produced, other than, the typical zionut mantra "Don't speak bad of Israel or I will call you an islamonazi liar", then, in reality, you don't have a leg to stand on!

You never been in a court of law?

You never seen a felon get away scot free because he, not only lied, but also the prosecutor was unable to produce any evidence to the contrary...

THAT'S how it works in the real world...

So, let me start again...

I posted TWO links to TWO separate incidents of crop spraying...

Can you provide a single link to say this DIDN'T happen?

Yes? Great, let's see it....

No? Shut the **** up and, until you prove otherwise, they are 'factual' occurrences!

It's not difficult to understand! Really!

Prove the links wrong and I am happy to be proven wrong... What I am not happy to accept is that not ONE of you pro Israel supporters is able/capable to back up your
"Don't speak bad of Israel" mantra... Wind blowing in one direction or another is NOT evidence!

WRONG AGAIN LOSER as the reports are not independent, but have the same source. When will you get it through your thick skull that an unsubstantiated islamonazi propaganda blood libel is not evidence of anything other than you will believe everything that demonises Israel and the Jews. You know you are in the wrong as you are screeching zionut in an attempt at making people think that the honest posters have a mental problem. You do this every time your posts are shown to be based on Jew hatred lies and islamonazi blood libels.

For the record the links to the same source material prove themselves wrong as there is no other source for the incident. So put up or shut up before you get into deep doo doo

 

[Phoenall]

What I will acknowledged is that this buffer zone is not well defined. And has been enlarged and shrunk with every outbreak of violence. Stabilize the Gazan political situation, get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access..

Now, THIS comment makes a LOT of sense! Thank you!

The buffer zone is NOT well defined, this is true...

What is also true is that the buffer zone is in the WRONG country!

This is total proof of the CONTINUED occupation of Gaza by Israel... The buffer zone should be IN Israel NOT in Gaza!

Stabilize the political situation in Gaza, get rid of Hamas, get international support into Palestine AND Israel and negotiate for a sensible peace solution...

Off topic, yes, sorry, but just responding to your post!

Perhaps a NEW OP should be made on the issue of the buffer zone... Could be an interesting topic!

WRONG AGAIN LOSER the buffer zone has to be in gaza because that is where the threat is coming from. If it was in Israel then the Palestinians could come right up to the border hidden by the planted barriers. If they know they will be shot if they approach any closer than 100 metres to the ceasefire line they will stop doing so, and find it hard to sneak up on Israeli children before torturing them to death.

Now using International law as the only evidence show how gaza is occupied by Israel, show where Israel has complete military control of all the land of gaza. The only way to stabalise the political situation would be to start killing Palestinian terrorists by the thousands, and stopping all deliveries to gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

What I will acknowledged is that this buffer zone is not well defined. And has been enlarged and shrunk with every outbreak of violence. Stabilize the Gazan political situation, get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access..

Now, THIS comment makes a LOT of sense! Thank you!

The buffer zone is NOT well defined, this is true...

What is also true is that the buffer zone is in the WRONG country!

This is total proof of the CONTINUED occupation of Gaza by Israel... The buffer zone should be IN Israel NOT in Gaza!

Stabilize the political situation in Gaza, get rid of Hamas, get international support into Palestine AND Israel and negotiate for a sensible peace solution...

Off topic, yes, sorry, but just responding to your post!

Perhaps a NEW OP should be made on the issue of the buffer zone... Could be an interesting topic!

What is also true is that the buffer zone is in the WRONG country!

This is total proof of the CONTINUED occupation of Gaza by Israel... The buffer zone should be IN Israel NOT in Gaza!​

Indeed, if the freeloaders want a buffer zone they should put it on their own side of the fence.

Based on what criteria and international laws, how about a link to the laws and the dates of their implementation ?

No other nation is expected to put a buffer zone on their own land, and it is accepted to put it on the enemies land for sound military purposes.

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really , Do you really think that if the blockade was lifted today that the attacks from Gaza would stop?

There was a cease fire a year ago last August where they were to negotiate a truce. What happened to that?

Actually there has been a truce on the table for a decade now waiting for Israel to respond.

The Palestinians breached it within 12 hours and refused to abide by any agreement that stopped them from attacking the Jews.

What truce is that when the Palestinians have as part of it the right to halt the truce at any time they feel they have the power to win a war with Israel. Only a complete idiot would accept that as part of any truce, which is why Isreal refuses to even meet under such terms.

 

[Phoenall]

The truth of the matter is Israel is within the law all the time

Only the 26th January 2016 and we already have the funniest quote of the year!

Prove me wrong then, show where Israel has been censured for breaches of international law. Fake UN resolutions are not evidence of breaches, nor are the fake international laws much used by team Palestine losers like yourself. When was Israel tried by the ICC/ICJ for breaches of international law, something no other nation can veto as it is a legal commitment by all high contracting parties.

 

[Phoenall]

That post had content -- I'm sure.. About 80 proof !!!!

So anytime you need to reminded that the deal for an Autonomous Gaza included a buffer zone -- or why Palestinians don't have rights of citizenship in any country -- you just ring me up... I'll also call you a cab if we have to..

I think you should produce evidence of this agreement.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones?

How come there's so much evidence? Because Israel shoots at a lot of fishermen. And there's nothing wrong with journalists on a boat. Furthermore, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and therefore, cannot exclude Palestinian fishermen from accessing these waters.

Israel telling the Pals where they can (and cannot) fish, is like you coming over to my house and telling me what's what under my own roof. Do you not see how wrong that is? You have no right telling people what to do on their own property. If you think you do, then come over to my house and try to pull that shit with me.

Furthermore, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and therefore, cannot exclude Palestinian fishermen from accessing these waters.

It appears that they can.

International maritime law says they can, and like the rest of team Palestine billo ignores any International law that supports Israel. Then spreads lies to cover the facts

 

[Phoenall]

Evidently --- from the articles I posted --- both the EU and NATO agree that policing for smuggling in Gaza is not only LEGAL --- but necessary..

Answer my god-damn question!

"Do Gazan's have a right to defend themselves?"​

****!

YES BUT FIRING ILLEGAL WEAPONS AT ISRAEL IS NOT DEFENCE, IT IS A WAR CRIME AND AN ACT OF WAR

Got it yet you defend against an attack, you do not instigate an attack and claim it was defence.

 

[Phoenall]

It appears that they can.

And when you put a pencil in a glass of water, it appears bent.

Is it?

According to the laws of nature it is.

Just as International law allows for Israel to blockade gaza and there is not a damn thing that you can do about it without breaching the laws

 

[Phoenall]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

LINK showing just this, not some pallywood crap that proves nothing


Exactly what he said as the current government is not legit, its sell by date ran out many years ago and it refuses to allow new elections to take place. The hamas government had a life of 5 years meaning that in 2012 it was no longer in power, they usurped that power and have made themselves dictators like the ayotoilets in Iran have. try reading the legal aspects of the Palestinian electoral process and you will see that the P.A was only supposed to last 5 years before Palestine was able to stand on its own feet and be a fully viable peaceful nation. That was agreed with the world in 1999, 17 years later and we have regressed to 635 C.E. because the Palestinians are incapable of acting like civilised human beings

 

[Phoenall]

And their neighbors can certainly claim security concerns and take steps to PREVENT entrance of items that are forbidden by International agreements..

Including illegal humanitarian food?

You're so FOS!

You are full of crap as gaza receives 2200 kcal per person from international sources for every inhabitant every day. That is at least 500kcal over the recommended daily amount as declared by the World Health Organisation. This is supplemented by fresh fruit, meat and vegetables produced in gaza. The figures are based on the population numbers as given by UNWRA and hamas, and could be out in favour of the Palestinians by 20%. ( meaning that they get 20% more food than is needed )

Now what illegal humanitarian food is stopped from going into gaza ?

 

[Phoenall]

IF Gaza was being attacked they would have the right to defend themselves. But they are not being attacked.

They are being blockaded in order to prevent them from making indiscriminate, illegal, belligerent attacks on innocent Israeli citizens. The way to end the blockade is to end the attacks. Easy peasy.

Are you really asking if Gaza has the right to try to win land by force? You might even want to phrase it as "win land back by force" but that is an entirely different question than whether or not they have a right to defend themselves. There is nothing to defend themselves FROM as they are not being attacked.

The blockade, is the cause of the attacks. It's Israel just being mean, like the spraying of their crops. And when they're not spraying crops, they're uprooting olive trees; and when they're not uprooting olive trees, they're shooting at farmers when they harvest. And when they're not shooting at farmers when they harvest, they're bulldozing homes of doctors. And if anyone gets in their way, they run them over with the dozer, stop and back up on to the body one more time, then continue their demolition.

The spraying of crops is just another brick in the wall for Israel deliberately trying to make the Palestinian's daily life a living hell, so they would go away. But that ain't gonna happen. Sooner or later, the world is going to put a stop to this, just like it did to Germany in WWII.

The blockade was as a direct result of Palestinian violence, terrorism and acts of war. Showing that even without the blockade the Palestinians were still attacking Israel.

Still waiting for evidence of these alleged poisoning of crops, uprooting legally grown trees, shooting of farmers and fishermen. As all you have managed to produce so far is faked pallywood videos showing bad acting

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now you are just making rules up.

What is also true is that the buffer zone is in the WRONG country!

This is total proof of the CONTINUED occupation of Gaza by Israel... The buffer zone should be IN Israel NOT in Gaza!​

Indeed, if the freeloaders want a buffer zone they should put it on their own side of the fence.

(COMMENT)

Usually a BZ's and DMZs are half onone side and half on the other side.

Normally, Buffer Zones and Demilitarized Zones are established by Armistice or Treaty.

I'm not sure which Palestinian faction is hold-up negotiations. But do the Palestinians have an agreement on this matter?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really , Do you really think that if the blockade was lifted today that the attacks from Gaza would stop?

That is a perfect example of showing just how warped the Israeli narrative is.

Since the August 2014 ceasefire, there have been over 696 attacks on Gaza by the IDF; during that same period, only 29 rockets were fired from Gaza.

Yet, you are saying issue is the Gaza attacks?

IDF: 696 attacks
Gaza: 29 attacks
Therefore, the 29 attacks, is the problem.​

"Israeli forces’ attacks on the Gaza Strip are routine, targeting farmers, fishermen, and unarmed civilian protesters."

Yet, the 29 rocket attacks are the problem.​

IDF admits spraying herbicides inside the Gaza Strip

Farming is a threat to Israeli national security.

Yet, the 29 rocket attacks are the problem.​

"Israeli warplanes bombed Gaza’s main agricultural experiment station, causing $300,000-worth of damages and destroying the station’s building, laboratories, vehicles and a large power generator. Israel seems insistent on keeping the station out of service, effectively stifling every Palestinian attempt to attain self-sufficiency or independence, even agriculturally."

Yet, the 29 rocket attacks are the problem.​

"Israeli occupation planes have sprayed crop-killing chemicals on farmlands across besieged Gaza Strip, killing off crops in the coastal enclave. It is the third time the Israeli occupation planes have targeted Gaza farms, killing massive amounts of crops..."

Yet, the 29 rocket attacks are the problem.​

The Israeli blockade, collectively punishes all 1.5 million Gazan's.

Yet, the 29 rocket attacks are the problem.​

 

[Billo_Really]

International maritime law says they can, and like the rest of team Palestine billo ignores any International law that supports Israel. Then spreads lies to cover the facts

State the specific international maritime law, that says Israel has jurisdiction in international waters.

Or give me any law, that says anyone, has jurisdiction in international waters, you fucked up little troll.