Israel spraying toxins over Palestinian crops in Gaza

[Phoenall]

The wild assumptions without checking facts is always entertaining.

Aside from the Ongoing war started by the Arab League in 48 we also have Hamas declaring its own little private war.

Its a war Numbnuts in war the United Nations Charter clearly gives member states a right to defend themselves . In which case jurisdiction under domestic law is irrelevant.

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United Nations Charter - Article 51
“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

End Quote

You might also check into the Caroline Test within international law.

Imminent threat ? preemptive self defense ?

No matter how you slice it, Israel has a right to self defense.

Although I'd just love to hear your explanation about what you call "jurisdiction" ;--) I kinda got a bang out of that one Princes.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Well then the Arab Muslim forces can't claim self defense. After all they are occupying land intended for the creation of a national Jewish homeland.

The Arab Muslims were awarded roughly 80% of the mandated area. So why are they occupying even one square inch of the remaining 20% intended for the creation of a national Jewish homeland ?

By your own admission an occupier cannot claim self defense ( although you don't have a legal leg to stand on with that claim ) so even under these imaginary laws you seem to believe in, the Arab Muslims west of the Jordan cannot claim their acts of aggression are self defense. Since they are the occupying force in the area.

You should know by now that if an International law works for the benefit of Isreal or the Jews then it does not exist. Which is why the likes of billo deny the existence of the LoN transcripts that gave the land of Palestine to the Jewish people for their NATIONal home. So the Jews are the illegal immigrants in their eyes and should be forcibly removed to death camps and gas chambers to satisfy their Jew hatred

 

[Phoenall]

The Gaza buffer zone was an agreement reach in granting autonomy to Gaza. You know that. Perfectly legal..

Cities usually ALWAYS take a buffer zone and utility or other easements on your property. If I plant a tree there, and refuse to be apprehended -- EVENTUALLY someone from authority will have to shoot me if I assert a right to that tree.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones? In better relationships and better diplomacy -- Israel would extend a narrow channel for small craft into deeper waters and just INSPECT the small boats on their return.

So Israel no longer has any jurisdiction in Gaza. BUT -- they have MILITARY jurisdiction in those other areas you mentioned. And THEY are responsible for public safety, and order..

Those areas COULD be refugee camps or peaceful prosperous autonomous Palestine. That decision was always and is now --- up to the Palestinians..

Mr. Mod, brandishing his A-game. I guess you gotta bring the best, when you debate the best? My compliments to the instructor of your speech class; he taught you well.

I don't know if I should rip you to shreds, or bask in the shine that is your rebuttal?

Since the Denver game is on and I have been drinking heavily since 10am, I'll give you a pass this time.

But hey, I ain't no kiss-ass!

You could not rip a wet paper bag to shreds the way you are acting, your arguments have more holes than emmental cheese

 

[Phoenall]

Because I know you have no problem slaughtering innocent people just because they're Jews.

And just how do you know that?

Because of your previous replies on this board saying just this. Remember demanding that the world should barbecue Israel and turn it into a parking lot ?

 

[Phoenall]

Any recognized country can claim self defense.

You follow rules you make up yourself, or what?

You cannot claim self defense, if you're the one causing the violence.

How about some evidence that is not from a biased source showing this. Not your mixed up time line that shows hamas firing a rocket and Israel responding turned around to hamas firing a rocket 1 week after Israel responded to the last rocket fired.
Since 1917 the arab muslims have engaged in violence against the Jews, not the other way round and you g=haqve never shown this not to be the case.

 

[Phoenall]

The same way you know that

Other than your little word game, your post has ZERO CONTENT!

Because it caught you on the back foot and destroyed your argument

 

[Phoenall]

That post had content -- I'm sure.. About 80 proof !!!!

So anytime you need to reminded that the deal for an Autonomous Gaza included a buffer zone -- or why Palestinians don't have rights of citizenship in any country -- you just ring me up... I'll also call you a cab if we have to..

I think you should produce evidence of this agreement.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones?

How come there's so much evidence? Because Israel shoots at a lot of fishermen. And there's nothing wrong with journalists on a boat. Furthermore, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and therefore, cannot exclude Palestinian fishermen from accessing these waters.

Israel telling the Pals where they can (and cannot) fish, is like you coming over to my house and telling me what's what under my own roof. Do you not see how wrong that is? You have no right telling people what to do on their own property. If you think you do, then come over to my house and try to pull that shit with me.

If there was so much evidence then why don't you produce it and show that Israel is shooting fishermen in gaza waters. Again you make the claim that Israel has no rights when the laws say they have. How many times have you been shown International maritime laws that support and defend the action of Israel.

If you are running a meth lab of a child sex ring then you are a criminal and will be told that you cant do that by the legal authorities. They will shoot you if you resist them, If you attack anyone telling you that you are a criminal you will face being shot in self defence. When this sinks into your drink and drug addled brain you might stop being so stupid and start acting like a human being.


By the way you cant come to my house and start stealing my plants can you, and I can stop you by force if needed. So why cant Israel stop the Palestinians from stealing from their territorial waters. There are no lines drawn on the water or the land showing the borders between Israel and gaza so prove the Palestinians where not outside of their agreed areas ?

 

[Phoenall]

...What reason could Israel have of damaging crops of Palestinians in Gaza?...

Assuming for a moment, for argument's sake, that the report is true...

Why?

Because the Israels want them to pack up and leave.

They should take the hint.

No point in hanging around a place where you have no future.

Choose sanity.

Choose life.

Leave.

Be careful Kondie......what you are advocating is that the use of toxins and chemical weapons.........so you would then agree for both sides to use these on each other,according to your prose.....You Silly Boy.....you need to put your brain into gear before opening you mouth,truely what has become of you...!!!!!...steve

Big difference between using biological/chemical weapons and using a herbicide, unless you want to see hamas wiped out for using illegal weapons. And hamas have been caught using such weapons in the past and you said nothing against them.

 

[Phoenall]

That post had content -- I'm sure.. About 80 proof !!!!

So anytime you need to reminded that the deal for an Autonomous Gaza included a buffer zone -- or why Palestinians don't have rights of citizenship in any country -- you just ring me up... I'll also call you a cab if we have to..

I think you should produce evidence of this agreement.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones?

How come there's so much evidence? Because Israel shoots at a lot of fishermen. And there's nothing wrong with journalists on a boat. Furthermore, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and therefore, cannot exclude Palestinian fishermen from accessing these waters.

Israel telling the Pals where they can (and cannot) fish, is like you coming over to my house and telling me what's what under my own roof. Do you not see how wrong that is? You have no right telling people what to do on their own property. If you think you do, then come over to my house and try to pull that shit with me.

Until Gaza implements implements an Internationally APPROVED customs and border service --- they have no claim to an "open border" or unfettered smuggling. Essentially they are currently "lawless" in terms of International compliance. And their neighbors can certainly claim security concerns and take steps to PREVENT entrance of items that are forbidden by International agreements. Even if Gaza is not a party to those agreements.

All of this is pretty much off-topic and I can understand why you are BORED with the original flimsy lying ass OP.. Since THAT is such a minor dust-up (punny) compared with the Gaza Sanctions and trade restrictions. Maybe your couch warrior team should concentrate on picking more important topics and OPs..

Billo does not rule the world --- yet. And these security concerns are NOT JUST ISRAELI BS.. The rest of the world recognizes the need to have regular order on the borders of Gaza. Go blame the EU or NATO..

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/con...aza-arms-smuggling-aired-at-meeting-34997.htm

A senior Western diplomat said the countries, all NATO members, broadly agreed on a number of points and hoped to be able to produce a formal document or a programme of action at the next meeting in Britain in early March.

"We are not ready to adopt it yet, but we are going to meet in London in a few weeks' time and I hope that that will produce this agreed document over what it is we want to do," the diplomat said.

Civil servants from a majority of the countries agreed the use of naval force would be necessary to effectively halt the inflow of weapons to Gaza, although several countries opposed the use of military force, the senior diplomat said.

No political decisions were taken at the two-day meeting, which focused more on the routes weapons follow from their origin through the Red Sea towards the Gaza Strip than smuggling from tunnels between Egypt and the Palestinian enclave.

The senior diplomat said the conference had agreed on a number of points, including the need for cooperation in intelligence gathering and diplomatic actions to curb the flow of illicit arms into Gaza.

European Union Offers To Take Charge Of Gaza Borders (Did I miss the thread on THIS news item??? )

BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union offered Friday to take charge of Gaza's border crossings and work to prevent illegal arms flows, insisting on a durable truce and saying a return to the status quo before the latest war "is not an option."

As EU foreign ministers held an urgent meeting in Brussels about global conflicts, Hamas negotiators met with the Islamic militant group's leadership in Qatar to discuss a proposal for a long-term truce with Israel. An official said the group was inclined to accept the Egyptian-mediated offer.

The Gaza blockade remains the main stumbling block. It has greatly limited the movement of Palestinians in and out of the territory of 1.8 million people, restricted the flow of goods into Gaza and blocked virtually all exports.

The EU is prepared "to play a strong role" in managing the crossings while assuring that Israel's security is guaranteed, said the 28-nation bloc's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton.

The EU foreign ministers said the bloc is also prepared to prevent arms smuggling and launch a training program for Palestinian Authority police and customs officers to be deployed in Gaza. (as bro FlaCalTenn just told you)

Stop insisting that this is just an UNJUSTIFIED CONCERN of Israel and start realizing that the Palis need to step up to accepting responsibilities that EVERY nation must live by..

The Israelis will prevent any sea or air access and you know it

And it is legal under the Geneva conventions and International law. There is no "right" to passage over another nations land, sea or air and Israel could close its borders with gaza claiming the safety of its own citizens and the world could do nothing about it.

 

[Billo_Really]

If there was so much evidence then why don't you produce it and show that Israel is shooting fishermen in gaza waters. Again you make the claim that Israel has no rights when the laws say they have. How many times have you been shown International maritime laws that support and defend the action of Israel.

You haven't shown any law that makes what Israel is doing legal.

You couldn't spell law if I spotted you the 'L' and the 'A'.

If you are running a meth lab of a child sex ring then you are a criminal and will be told that you cant do that by the legal authorities. They will shoot you if you resist them, If you attack anyone telling you that you are a criminal you will face being shot in self defence. When this sinks into your drink and drug addled brain you might stop being so stupid and start acting like a human being.

I didn't know child sex rings cooked meth?

You have some pretty weird multi-tasking ideas there, skippy.

By the way you cant come to my house and start stealing my plants can you, and I can stop you by force if needed. So why cant Israel stop the Palestinians from stealing from their territorial waters. There are no lines drawn on the water or the land showing the borders between Israel and gaza so prove the Palestinians where not outside of their agreed areas ?

If its in front of a Gazan beach, then it's not Israel's territorial waters.

And just what do you spray there?

 

[Billo_Really]

There is no "right" to passage over another nations land, sea or air...

Then why is Israel doing it?

 

[Phoenall]

If there was so much evidence then why don't you produce it and show that Israel is shooting fishermen in gaza waters. Again you make the claim that Israel has no rights when the laws say they have. How many times have you been shown International maritime laws that support and defend the action of Israel.

You haven't shown any law that makes what Israel is doing legal.

You couldn't spell law if I spotted you the 'L' and the 'A'.

If you are running a meth lab of a child sex ring then you are a criminal and will be told that you cant do that by the legal authorities. They will shoot you if you resist them, If you attack anyone telling you that you are a criminal you will face being shot in self defence. When this sinks into your drink and drug addled brain you might stop being so stupid and start acting like a human being.

I didn't know child sex rings cooked meth?

You have some pretty weird multi-tasking ideas there, skippy.

By the way you cant come to my house and start stealing my plants can you, and I can stop you by force if needed. So why cant Israel stop the Palestinians from stealing from their territorial waters. There are no lines drawn on the water or the land showing the borders between Israel and gaza so prove the Palestinians where not outside of their agreed areas ?

If its in front of a Gazan beach, then it's not Israel's territorial waters.

And just what do you spray there?

The Geneva conventions, IHL and UN charter all say that Israel is acting legally. And you have not shown any laws at all that actually exist.

So once again you realise that you are wrong and so deflect away from the subject.

So show a video of the boats being fired at in front of a gazan beach, not miles from shore .


Water

 

[Phoenall]

There is no "right" to passage over another nations land, sea or air...

Then why is Israel doing it?

Where ? If it is response to illegal attacks then they can do so, bearing in mind that they face being shot down or attacked.

 

[Kondor3]

...Be careful Kondie......what you are advocating is that the use of toxins and chemical weapons.........so you would then agree for both sides to use these on each other,according to your prose...

I advocate nothing nor concede nothing in this context. Hell, I don't even know whether there's any truth to the allegation. I merely speculate upon the motivation, and the cure.

 

[Humanity]

Essentially they are currently "lawless" in terms of International compliance.

Pretty much the same as Israel then!

 

[Humanity]

Lets just focus on reality here and all admit the original OP claim is just another palestinian lie intended to discredit Israel because the truth simply doesn't support the palestinian revisionist narrative.

Its more than obvious that there is no supporting evidence to the racism being expressed against Israel and the only way the bigots can hope to defend themselves is to lie

In the end the truth hurts. Racism is seldom if ever supported in fact.

Yeah, let's focus on reality here....

You cannot provide ANY evidence that the OP is a lie...

Go figure!

 

[flacaltenn]

That post had content -- I'm sure.. About 80 proof !!!!

So anytime you need to reminded that the deal for an Autonomous Gaza included a buffer zone -- or why Palestinians don't have rights of citizenship in any country -- you just ring me up... I'll also call you a cab if we have to..

I think you should produce evidence of this agreement.

Fisherman being shot at whilst they fish? Then how come so much of the evidence comes from well-camera'd journalists cluttering up the decks on their "fishing expeditions" into excluded zones?

How come there's so much evidence? Because Israel shoots at a lot of fishermen. And there's nothing wrong with journalists on a boat. Furthermore, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and therefore, cannot exclude Palestinian fishermen from accessing these waters.

Israel telling the Pals where they can (and cannot) fish, is like you coming over to my house and telling me what's what under my own roof. Do you not see how wrong that is? You have no right telling people what to do on their own property. If you think you do, then come over to my house and try to pull that shit with me.

Until Gaza implements implements an Internationally APPROVED customs and border service --- they have no claim to an "open border" or unfettered smuggling. Essentially they are currently "lawless" in terms of International compliance. And their neighbors can certainly claim security concerns and take steps to PREVENT entrance of items that are forbidden by International agreements. Even if Gaza is not a party to those agreements.

All of this is pretty much off-topic and I can understand why you are BORED with the original flimsy lying ass OP.. Since THAT is such a minor dust-up (punny) compared with the Gaza Sanctions and trade restrictions. Maybe your couch warrior team should concentrate on picking more important topics and OPs..

Billo does not rule the world --- yet. And these security concerns are NOT JUST ISRAELI BS.. The rest of the world recognizes the need to have regular order on the borders of Gaza. Go blame the EU or NATO..

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/con...aza-arms-smuggling-aired-at-meeting-34997.htm

A senior Western diplomat said the countries, all NATO members, broadly agreed on a number of points and hoped to be able to produce a formal document or a programme of action at the next meeting in Britain in early March.

"We are not ready to adopt it yet, but we are going to meet in London in a few weeks' time and I hope that that will produce this agreed document over what it is we want to do," the diplomat said.

Civil servants from a majority of the countries agreed the use of naval force would be necessary to effectively halt the inflow of weapons to Gaza, although several countries opposed the use of military force, the senior diplomat said.

No political decisions were taken at the two-day meeting, which focused more on the routes weapons follow from their origin through the Red Sea towards the Gaza Strip than smuggling from tunnels between Egypt and the Palestinian enclave.

The senior diplomat said the conference had agreed on a number of points, including the need for cooperation in intelligence gathering and diplomatic actions to curb the flow of illicit arms into Gaza.

European Union Offers To Take Charge Of Gaza Borders (Did I miss the thread on THIS news item??? )

BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union offered Friday to take charge of Gaza's border crossings and work to prevent illegal arms flows, insisting on a durable truce and saying a return to the status quo before the latest war "is not an option."

As EU foreign ministers held an urgent meeting in Brussels about global conflicts, Hamas negotiators met with the Islamic militant group's leadership in Qatar to discuss a proposal for a long-term truce with Israel. An official said the group was inclined to accept the Egyptian-mediated offer.

The Gaza blockade remains the main stumbling block. It has greatly limited the movement of Palestinians in and out of the territory of 1.8 million people, restricted the flow of goods into Gaza and blocked virtually all exports.

The EU is prepared "to play a strong role" in managing the crossings while assuring that Israel's security is guaranteed, said the 28-nation bloc's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton.

The EU foreign ministers said the bloc is also prepared to prevent arms smuggling and launch a training program for Palestinian Authority police and customs officers to be deployed in Gaza. (as bro FlaCalTenn just told you)

Stop insisting that this is just an UNJUSTIFIED CONCERN of Israel and start realizing that the Palis need to step up to accepting responsibilities that EVERY nation must live by..

The Israelis will prevent any sea or air access and you know it

I'm not certain of that. Having the EU or NATO provide cargo/customs inspection COULD be easily negotiable. And take the focus off of THEM as the "bad guys".. Because in reality -- BOTH the EU and NATO understand the need to embargo weapons and materials of war from going into lawless territories controlled by the likes of Hamas. AND ---- it allows a more neutral party to "dick around" with the list of FOOD and VITAL supplies that go into and out of the Strip...

 

[flacaltenn]

Lets just focus on reality here and all admit the original OP claim is just another palestinian lie intended to discredit Israel because the truth simply doesn't support the palestinian revisionist narrative.

Its more than obvious that there is no supporting evidence to the racism being expressed against Israel and the only way the bigots can hope to defend themselves is to lie

In the end the truth hurts. Racism is seldom if ever supported in fact.

Yeah, let's focus on reality here....

You cannot provide ANY evidence that the OP is a lie...

Go figure!

THat's not how it works Humanity. As with the "fake" Begin quote in another thread. ASSERTION of a lie doesn't REQUIRE us to prove it wrong. It requires YOU to provide the evidence and the details.

 

[Phoenall]

Essentially they are currently "lawless" in terms of International compliance.

Pretty much the same as Israel then!

How about a link proving your fantasy claims then, or will you just ignore this request like you have the hundreds of others ?

 

[Phoenall]

Lets just focus on reality here and all admit the original OP claim is just another palestinian lie intended to discredit Israel because the truth simply doesn't support the palestinian revisionist narrative.

Its more than obvious that there is no supporting evidence to the racism being expressed against Israel and the only way the bigots can hope to defend themselves is to lie

In the end the truth hurts. Racism is seldom if ever supported in fact.

Yeah, let's focus on reality here....

You cannot provide ANY evidence that the OP is a lie...

Go figure!

Can you provide any evidence that it is true ? that Israel deliberately sprayed the crops with a poison to kill the crops and taint the land for years to come.

Go figure that one loser

 

[flacaltenn]

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