Israel spraying toxins over Palestinian crops in Gaza

[Shusha]

The problem with that position Shusha is that many or all of our pro-Pali buds here believe it is THE DUTY of Gazans to attack Israel.

We agree. I just wish they would admit it, instead of bringing up all this cow crap about the blockade as if the blockade were the problem and the end of the blockade would solve the problem.

Some have even extended the obligation of fighting and dying against Israel to the KIDS of Palis.

Yep. Child soldiers are encouraged for "noble" causes by an ideology which supports martyrdom. Rather than one that protects people, and children especially.

That applies also to the constant barrage of "ACCUSATIONS" like this OP that are not supported by firm evidence. An unfounded assertion IS a form of attack. Is it not??

The constant barrage of false accusations is the result of an inability to view the conflict in a balanced manner and within context. If Israel were really so evil and terrible as they suppose, of course, one wouldn't need to come up with all these false accusations. Its demonization of Israel in order to uphold the concept of Palestinian victimization as opposed to Palestinian responsibility. It is an attack on Israel (read: Jews).

 

[flacaltenn]

The problem with that position Shusha is that many or all of our pro-Pali buds here believe it is THE DUTY of Gazans to attack Israel.

We agree. I just wish they would admit it, instead of bringing up all this cow crap about the blockade as if the blockade were the problem and the end of the blockade would solve the problem.

Some have even extended the obligation of fighting and dying against Israel to the KIDS of Palis.

Yep. Child soldiers are encouraged for "noble" causes by an ideology which supports martyrdom. Rather than one that protects people, and children especially.

That applies also to the constant barrage of "ACCUSATIONS" like this OP that are not supported by firm evidence. An unfounded assertion IS a form of attack. Is it not??

The constant barrage of false accusations is the result of an inability to view the conflict in a balanced manner and within context. If Israel were really so evil and terrible as they suppose, of course, one wouldn't need to come up with all these false accusations. Its demonization of Israel in order to uphold the concept of Palestinian victimization as opposed to Palestinian responsibility. It is an attack on Israel (read: Jews).

Exactly -- less stories about "poisoning crops" and MORE stories about being able to SELL THEIR CROPS as exports. Concentrate on the beefs that are debatable and valid..

 

[Shusha]

Exactly -- less stories about "poisoning crops" and MORE stories about being able to SELL THEIR CROPS as exports. Concentrate on the beefs that are debatable and valid..

Agreed. More talk about the steps Gazans need to take to improve their lives and build their nation. You and I are the real pro-Palestinians. We are the ones looking out for their best interests. Sometimes, like the mother of a two-year-old, ya gotta give the discipline the kid needs to make good choices.

 

[Billo_Really]

Exactly -- less stories about "poisoning crops" and MORE stories about being able to SELL THEIR CROPS as exports. Concentrate on the beefs that are debatable and valid..

If the crops are poisoned, what do they have to export? And the crops that aren't poisoned, they need Israeli permission to export them out. What about the crops that are not poisoned, but they keep getting shot at when the try to harvest them?

You cannot separate "poisoning crops" from "selling crops", one is directly proportional to the other. And both are a moot point because Israel won't let anyone leave.

 

[Billo_Really]

I believe Roccor gave this a month ago and you did not reply then because it destroyed your argument. The fact that Israel followed the UNCLOS recommendations to the letter by issuing a policy document setting out the reasons for the blockade and the area to be blockaded shows that the law was upheld. If Israel was in breach of these laws then the ICC/ICJ would have made a judgement and set in place a corridor for the transportation of humanitarian aid.



Try this for what jurisdiction all nations have on the high seas, it might make you wish you had never started this argument.



The Straight Dope: In international waters, are you beyond the reach of the law?

From your own link, dumbass!

"No State may validly purport to subject any part of the high seas to its sovereignty."​

Which means it is illegal for Israel to stop humanitarian aid vessels to Gaza.

And here's another on from your improperly vetted link...

"...every ship is subject to the jurisdiction of the country whose flag it flies. So are its occupants."​

Which means Israel cannot stop Gazan fishing boats from fishing in international waters.

 

[Billo_Really]

Gazans currently have no recognized govt or credible leadership that is interested in abiding by acceptable international standards for commerce, customs or law. Until they do -- they are not a nation state. It is a territory with a vacuum of leadership and power. They NEED to be protected from abuse --- but they don't need anything but small arms and DEFENSIVE weapons.. What they need MORE than missiles or bomb-making materials is a plan for making Gazan life better..

It's none of yours, or Israel's, god-damn business who the Pals choose to represent them. If you don't want to recognize them, that's your problem, not theirs.

And it doesn't matter what plans they have, the Israeli's won't let them carry it out.

 

[Billo_Really]

NOT including food and exports of common goods. THAT's abuse. Which is why maybe --- it's a great idea for the EU or NATO to take control of the Gazan borders.. Because THERE --- Israel has someone to HOLD RESPONSIBLE if they don't control the dangerous smuggling.

That's why Israel abandoned plans to co-monitor the Rafah gate. Because they could TRUST the Egyptians not to jeopardize their security in the process. That's WHY being a responsible nation is so important.. A collection of "resistance fighters" can never be trusted to comply..

Collectively punishing 1.5 million people (who've committed no crime), is not a responsible nation.

 

[Billo_Really]

If they are a legit government with a legal process and international credibility -- let them present EVIDENCE of the crop spraying and send out their best diplomats to gain support for a injunction against Israel..

Oh -- what you say?? They don't HAVE a legal process or international credibility or ACTUAL DIPLOMATS??

So sad.....

Well, for one thing, the crops are the evidence. And when IDF leaders admitted to the spraying, what more evidence do you need?

 

[flacaltenn]

Exactly -- less stories about "poisoning crops" and MORE stories about being able to SELL THEIR CROPS as exports. Concentrate on the beefs that are debatable and valid..

If the crops are poisoned, what do they have to export? And the crops that aren't poisoned, they need Israeli permission to export them out. What about the crops that are not poisoned, but they keep getting shot at when the try to harvest them?

You cannot separate "poisoning crops" from "selling crops", one is directly proportional to the other. And both are a moot point because Israel won't let anyone leave.

So far -- no one has claimed that more couple football fields MIGHT have been inadvertently sprayed. And the fields were not "poisoned".. The obstacles to trade are far more important long term issues. And the fact that Gaza HAS any surplus to export -- kinda indicates they are capable of growing more than they need to survive..

 

[flacaltenn]

Gazans currently have no recognized govt or credible leadership that is interested in abiding by acceptable international standards for commerce, customs or law. Until they do -- they are not a nation state. It is a territory with a vacuum of leadership and power. They NEED to be protected from abuse --- but they don't need anything but small arms and DEFENSIVE weapons.. What they need MORE than missiles or bomb-making materials is a plan for making Gazan life better..

It's none of yours, or Israel's, god-damn business who the Pals choose to represent them. If you don't want to recognize them, that's your problem, not theirs.

And it doesn't matter what plans they have, the Israeli's won't let them carry it out.

It's not my business to TELL them to nurture a respectable government and NOT be known for leadership which executes people in the streets in front of children as a spectacle. Or to not constantly attack their neighbors --- but because they do --- conditions would NOT be much better if France took control of their borders for inspections and customs right now. Because they are NOT a responsible nation to be trusted NOT to attack their neighbors or be a haven for terrorists. A void of power like they currently are -- is generally economically and politically isolated and contained.

YOU --- want to blame their condition on Israel. But obviously, NATO and the EU are VOLUNTEERING to take over the embargo from Israel. Israel TRUSTS Egypt to contain their border with Gaza. So the underlying reason for their containment is NOT just a mean and arbitrary unilateral action by Israel..

Spend less time dishing out propaganda like this OP --- and more time addressing what the PALIS need to do to confront the underlying problems. NONE of these "abuses" are gonna be solved by aggression or recruiting your children to war.

 

[Roudy]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

So?

Look at the assholes that the Israelis elected.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Well, you got me on that one. I have no argument for that. Nor do I want one. I've never said Hamas has Halos over their heads.

I don't know why they would do that. It's not like they wouldn't win again.

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

They were going to give up their more militant side and become strictly a political entity, but Israel wouldn't let them.

 

[Billo_Really]

So?

Look at the assholes that the Israelis elected.

They're more like bitches and ho's.

Israel reminds me of that song, "I loves' my niggas, but where's my bitches?"

 

[theliq]

I think you should produce evidence of this agreement.


How come there's so much evidence? Because Israel shoots at a lot of fishermen. And there's nothing wrong with journalists on a boat. Furthermore, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters and therefore, cannot exclude Palestinian fishermen from accessing these waters.

Israel telling the Pals where they can (and cannot) fish, is like you coming over to my house and telling me what's what under my own roof. Do you not see how wrong that is? You have no right telling people what to do on their own property. If you think you do, then come over to my house and try to pull that shit with me.

Until Gaza implements implements an Internationally APPROVED customs and border service --- they have no claim to an "open border" or unfettered smuggling. Essentially they are currently "lawless" in terms of International compliance. And their neighbors can certainly claim security concerns and take steps to PREVENT entrance of items that are forbidden by International agreements. Even if Gaza is not a party to those agreements.

All of this is pretty much off-topic and I can understand why you are BORED with the original flimsy lying ass OP.. Since THAT is such a minor dust-up (punny) compared with the Gaza Sanctions and trade restrictions. Maybe your couch warrior team should concentrate on picking more important topics and OPs..

Billo does not rule the world --- yet. And these security concerns are NOT JUST ISRAELI BS.. The rest of the world recognizes the need to have regular order on the borders of Gaza. Go blame the EU or NATO..

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/con...aza-arms-smuggling-aired-at-meeting-34997.htm

A senior Western diplomat said the countries, all NATO members, broadly agreed on a number of points and hoped to be able to produce a formal document or a programme of action at the next meeting in Britain in early March.

"We are not ready to adopt it yet, but we are going to meet in London in a few weeks' time and I hope that that will produce this agreed document over what it is we want to do," the diplomat said.

Civil servants from a majority of the countries agreed the use of naval force would be necessary to effectively halt the inflow of weapons to Gaza, although several countries opposed the use of military force, the senior diplomat said.

No political decisions were taken at the two-day meeting, which focused more on the routes weapons follow from their origin through the Red Sea towards the Gaza Strip than smuggling from tunnels between Egypt and the Palestinian enclave.

The senior diplomat said the conference had agreed on a number of points, including the need for cooperation in intelligence gathering and diplomatic actions to curb the flow of illicit arms into Gaza.

European Union Offers To Take Charge Of Gaza Borders (Did I miss the thread on THIS news item??? )

BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union offered Friday to take charge of Gaza's border crossings and work to prevent illegal arms flows, insisting on a durable truce and saying a return to the status quo before the latest war "is not an option."

As EU foreign ministers held an urgent meeting in Brussels about global conflicts, Hamas negotiators met with the Islamic militant group's leadership in Qatar to discuss a proposal for a long-term truce with Israel. An official said the group was inclined to accept the Egyptian-mediated offer.

The Gaza blockade remains the main stumbling block. It has greatly limited the movement of Palestinians in and out of the territory of 1.8 million people, restricted the flow of goods into Gaza and blocked virtually all exports.

The EU is prepared "to play a strong role" in managing the crossings while assuring that Israel's security is guaranteed, said the 28-nation bloc's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton.

The EU foreign ministers said the bloc is also prepared to prevent arms smuggling and launch a training program for Palestinian Authority police and customs officers to be deployed in Gaza. (as bro FlaCalTenn just told you)

Stop insisting that this is just an UNJUSTIFIED CONCERN of Israel and start realizing that the Palis need to step up to accepting responsibilities that EVERY nation must live by..

The Israelis will prevent any sea or air access and you know it

Here is a challenge - name one step the Palestinians ever made for their sake.

Can't find any? I know, me neither.

Unfortunately as for now the WHOLE Palestinian and anti-Israeli campaign is established upon making as many holes in the boat while they can, what would be the only step Israel could take when abandoning the ship is not an option?

I have always said Danny the there should be an Israel,I am Pragmatic enough to know that.........Israel are going no where,I just want to see a 2 state solution where there is Peace for both peoples..........Lets hope it happens...despite all that is said,fundamentally the majority on both sides are good people indeed.steve

Just as long as there are no Jews living in Israel isn't that right stevie loser.

I am mentally your superior.........what I said above,is my desire.....you sir are a FOOL

 

[theliq]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

Just to take you back a bit Roudy,it was the Israelis that supported Hamas in the first place,then armed them and gave them a load of CASH,with the US too......Then these two countries insisted the Palestinians have Free and Fair Elections WHICH THE PALESTINIANS DID,with exceptional Clarity...they voted Hamas in Gaza and PA in the West Bank.........You got what you requested........so WHY ARE YOU WHINGING NOW?????????you can't have it both ways Roudy.............steve.......it's what you DID and Desired......I note you never mentioned this fact....REPEAT FACT.

 

[Indeependent]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

Just to take you back a bit Roudy,it was the Israelis that supported Hamas in the first place,then armed them and gave them a load of CASH,with the US too......Then these two countries insisted the Palestinians have Free and Fair Elections WHICH THE PALESTINIANS DID,with exceptional Clarity...they voted Hamas in Gaza and PA in the West Bank.........You got what you requested........so WHY ARE YOU WHINGING NOW?????????you can't have it both ways Roudy.............steve.......it's what you DID and Desired......I note you never mentioned this fact....REPEAT FACT.

So Hamas got WHAT THEY WANTED and STILL lobbed rockets into Israel.
Yes, your superior intelligence is simply shining through.

 

[theliq]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

Just to take you back a bit Roudy,it was the Israelis that supported Hamas in the first place,then armed them and gave them a load of CASH,with the US too......Then these two countries insisted the Palestinians have Free and Fair Elections WHICH THE PALESTINIANS DID,with exceptional Clarity...they voted Hamas in Gaza and PA in the West Bank.........You got what you requested........so WHY ARE YOU WHINGING NOW?????????you can't have it both ways Roudy.............steve.......it's what you DID and Desired......I note you never mentioned this fact....REPEAT FACT.

So Hamas got WHAT THEY WANTED and STILL lobbed rockets into Israel.
Yes, your superior intelligence is simply shining through.

No Israel got what THEY DESIRED ACTUALLY Indie...........they are not the smartest people the Israelis,now are they ?? steve

 

[Indeependent]

Stabilize the Gazan political situation, .

You keep saying that, but every time they try, Israel attacks.

get some international support for a LEGIT government and NEGOTIATE for better definitions and border access. .

WTF you talking about "LEGIT" government?

Hamas won a fair and democratic election according to international standards.

Spray that in your crop circles.

Yeah but since they were elected they've "suspended" all further elections. Nice eh?

Set aside that the fact that Palestinians actually voted for a terrorist organization named Hamas speaks volumes about their desire to make peace.

Just to take you back a bit Roudy,it was the Israelis that supported Hamas in the first place,then armed them and gave them a load of CASH,with the US too......Then these two countries insisted the Palestinians have Free and Fair Elections WHICH THE PALESTINIANS DID,with exceptional Clarity...they voted Hamas in Gaza and PA in the West Bank.........You got what you requested........so WHY ARE YOU WHINGING NOW?????????you can't have it both ways Roudy.............steve.......it's what you DID and Desired......I note you never mentioned this fact....REPEAT FACT.

So Hamas got WHAT THEY WANTED and STILL lobbed rockets into Israel.
Yes, your superior intelligence is simply shining through.

No Israel got what THEY DESIRED ACTUALLY Indie...........they are not the smartest people the Israelis,now are they ?? steve

And how many Nobel Peace Prizes have you received lately?
It seems to me, and you, that Israel is doing just fine; and THAT'S what ticks you off.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Putting aside the usual rhetoric...

What reason could Israel have of damaging crops of Palestinians in Gaza?

I'm interested to hear possible reasons...

Israel spraying toxins over Palestinian crops in Gaza

And not for the first time...

‘No-Grow Zone’: Israel Admits to Spraying Poisons Inside Gaza Strip

I wonder where they got this idea from...

Federal Agents Raid Native American Tribal Lands, Seize & Destroy Over 30,000 Hemp Crops | AltHealthWorks.com

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Federal Agents Raid Native American Tribal Lands, Seize & Destroy Over 30,000 Hemp Crops"