"Israel Made the Desert Bloom" is a Myth, They Stole the Land from Farmers Who Were Already There for Hundreds of Years

[Grau]

You might find this guy’s opinion on the conflict in Gaza interesting. He believes Yahay Sinwar did 10/7 knowing full well Bibi would respond as he has. Sinwar sacrificed his own people to expose to the world the true nature of Israel. He claims Sinwar has won.

Go to 1:05 mark.

Thanks, I'll certainly take a look as the notion that 7 October was some sort of surprise has no credibility.

It wouldn't be the first "False Flag" scheme orchestrated by Israel's right wing Zionists.

Meanwhile:

"HAMAS — THE BIGGEST FALSE FLAG IN HISTORY?"

"Who really planned 7th Oct?"


EXCERPT "If I were to list every Zionist false flag operation, we would be here all day.

At the very least, it can be said that the Zionists were no strangers to False Flag operations and to encouraging and burnishing fake narratives of victimhood.

Far from being a popular Palestinian movement, Hamas were in reality a marginal and weak movement, which since 2002, Netanyahu and his right-wing associates beefed up with every form of support, and declared quite openly why they were doing so." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

This ^ is a collection of your statements (just from the last few pages of this thread). You use "Zionist" as a slur, almost always pairing it with derogatory or dehumanizing language. And yet ...

There you are. You are a Zionist in the same way that I am a Zionist. And indeed the way the vast majority of Jews are Zionists (I won't go as far as to say "all" but near enough).

You say this with some frequency. There are two kinds of Jews in your world. There are the ethical, rational, educated kind which you label "Jews". And there are the evil kind, which you label "Zionists".

It is just a term you use to mean "those Jews you perceive to be evil".

What's your point?

 

[Grau]

The 1948 "Arab-Israel" war not only saw thousands of non-Jews leave "Israel"/near Levant, but also saw thousands of Jews flee Muslim dominate nations to avoid pogroms of injury, death, and asset confiscation.

Israel is the spear point of Islamic Jihad that began @ 1400 years ago when Muhammad carried a sword and lead his followers in conquest to spread Islam out of Arabia and to the rest of the world. "Converting" those who would, enslaving/killing those who would not. This has been the agenda and Dogma of Islam ever since.
....
Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him and his father) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said:

"I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish prayer, and pay Zakah; if they do so, they protect their blood and properties from me, except through the right of Islam; and their reckoning is with Allah."

[Authentic hadith] - [Narrated by Bukhari & Muslim] - [Sahih Bukhari - 25]

Explanation
The Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) informs that Allah commanded him to fight the polytheists until they testify that no deity is truly worthy of worship except Allah alone without any partner and that Muhammad (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) is His Messenger and act upon this testimony by observing the five prayers every day and night and paying the obligatory Zakah to those who are entitled to receive it. If they do these things, Islam protects their lives and properties, and it, thus, becomes unlawful to kill them unless they commit a crime or felony that makes them worthy of being killed in compliance with the rulings of Islam. Then, on the Day of Judgment, Allah Almighty will be in charge of their reckoning as He knows their innermost thoughts.

Benefit from the Hadith
1. External aspects are what count in rulings, whereas the intentions are judged by Allah.
2. The importance of calling to Tawhīd (monotheism) and the fact that it is the first thing to start with in Da‘wah (calling to Allah).
3. This Hadīth does not imply forcing the polytheists to embrace Islam; rather, they have the choice either to enter Islam or pay Jizyah (protection tax). However, if they insist on preventing the call to Islam, then, the only option is to fight them in compliance with the rulings of Islam
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Hadith: I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish prayer, and pay Zakah - Encyclopedia of Translated Prophetic Hadiths

Hadith: I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish prayer, and pay Zakah - Encyclopedia of Translated Prophetic Hadiths

hadeethenc.com

What are you attempting to communicate?


People who have have never spent time in and around the Middle East and only had pro Israel MSM poured into their heads have been programmed to hate Muslims

If Muslims are so violent and evil, how was I able to spend 10 - 11 months walking and hitch hiking around the Islamic Middle East and only be treated with generosity, kindness and hospitality?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Even pro-Israel Wikipeadia acknowledges it. The biggest lie of all the many lies is that all the poor European Jews wanted was a little place to call their own, so they took a barren desert and make it bloom. Total complete horseshit.

Olive trees take decades to bear their best fruit. So when you cut down a Palestinian family's olive trees your are cutting down their main means of support which takes generations to nurture.

Okay maybe there is nothing we can do about it but we can dispense with the bullshit lies. It's a land grab. Period. nB4 I knock on your door and say you gotta leave because God gave your house to me.

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled. Expulsions and attacks against Palestinians were carried out by the Zionist paramilitaries Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi, which merged to become the Israel Defense Forces after the establishment of Israel part way through the war.[a] The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[4] Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[5][6] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names."





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Who cares? Not the US. **** those guys.

 

[Grau]

You are the king of cut and paste anti Israeli propaganda, but rarely tell the truth. The 2017 Hamas document is a supplement to the 1988 Charter and not a replacement for it, and it states clearly, as you have pointed out, that Hamas is still at war with Zionism, meaning Israel, so it is in no way an offer of peace as you well know.

More importantly, all the information we have indicates Hamas' pledge to continue its war against Israel until Israel is destroyed is fully supported by the so called Palestinians, and the sentiment of that pledge, if not all the violent actions of the Palestinians, is shared by the vast majority of Muslims, thus making peace with the Palestinians impossible for the foreseeable future. All of this hatred of Israel is based on nothing but an ideological conceit by Muslims since the 7th century that Jews must be held to be inferior to Muslims and suffer the humiliation of abiding by separate laws and special taxes to press the point of Muslim superiority. This and this alone makes peace with the so called Palestinians impossible.

First, Palestine's native residents are resisting the longest and most ruthless foreign funded genocide in history.

Next, if Hamas was is so evil, why did Israel's right wing Zionists create it if not for another False Flag deception?





"Why Israel Created Hamas"

Why Israel Created Hamas

Insider insights into the creation of Hamas – and other designated terrorist groups.

swprs.org

EXCERPT "Since the founding of Hamas in 1987, Israeli, American and Palestinian officials have repeatedly acknowledged that Israel did indeed help create and fund the Islamist group.

The point made by many of these officials is not that Israel “allowed” the rise of Hamas or that Hamas emerged in response to Israeli “occupation” of Palestine. Rather, their point was and is that Israel’s intelligence agencies actively helped create and finance the Hamas group.

As the officials cited below make clear, the overall goal of supporting Hamas has been to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state and avert the implementation of a two-state solution to the Palestine question" CONTINUED


"HAMAS — THE BIGGEST FALSE FLAG IN HISTORY?"

"Who really planned 7th Oct?"



EXCERPT "If I were to list every Zionist false flag operation, we would be here all day.

At the very least, it can be said that the Zionists were no strangers to False Flag operations and to encouraging and burnishing fake narratives of victimhood.

Far from being a popular Palestinian movement, Hamas were in reality a marginal and weak movement, which since 2002, Netanyahu and his right-wing associates beefed up with every form of support, and declared quite openly why they were doing so." CONTINUED

 

[toomuchtime_]

First, Palestine's native residents are resisting the longest and most ruthless foreign funded genocide in history.

Next, if Hamas was is so evil, why did Israel's right wing Zionists create it if not for another False Flag deception?





"Why Israel Created Hamas"

Why Israel Created Hamas

Insider insights into the creation of Hamas – and other designated terrorist groups.

swprs.org

EXCERPT "Since the founding of Hamas in 1987, Israeli, American and Palestinian officials have repeatedly acknowledged that Israel did indeed help create and fund the Islamist group.

The point made by many of these officials is not that Israel “allowed” the rise of Hamas or that Hamas emerged in response to Israeli “occupation” of Palestine. Rather, their point was and is that Israel’s intelligence agencies actively helped create and finance the Hamas group.

As the officials cited below make clear, the overall goal of supporting Hamas has been to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state and avert the implementation of a two-state solution to the Palestine question" CONTINUED


"HAMAS — THE BIGGEST FALSE FLAG IN HISTORY?"

"Who really planned 7th Oct?"



EXCERPT "If I were to list every Zionist false flag operation, we would be here all day.

At the very least, it can be said that the Zionists were no strangers to False Flag operations and to encouraging and burnishing fake narratives of victimhood.

Far from being a popular Palestinian movement, Hamas were in reality a marginal and weak movement, which since 2002, Netanyahu and his right-wing associates beefed up with every form of support, and declared quite openly why they were doing so." CONTINUED

As always, your post is packed with lies and completely irrelevant to the current situation.

We both know that if an action is not committed to destroy a national, religious, racial or ethnic group it does not constitute a genocide and clearly what is happening in Gaza does not fit that definition, so there is no genocide.

Second, there is no basis in fact for claiming Israel created Hamas. Israel did help fund an Islamic charity in the 1970's that later morphed into Hamas during the first intifada. These are the two lies the rest of your post is based on.

You continue to post the same tired old lies again and again and they are never relevant to the discussion. If you are not already a bot, clearly you aspire to become one.

 

[gipper]

As always, your post is packed with lies and completely irrelevant to the current situation.

We both know that if an action is not committed to destroy a national, religious, racial or ethnic group it does not constitute a genocide and clearly what is happening in Gaza does not fit that definition, so there is no genocide.

Second, there is no basis in fact for claiming Israel created Hamas. Israel did help fund an Islamic charity in the 1970's that later morphed into Hamas during the first intifada. These are the two lies the rest of your post is based on.

You continue to post the same tired old lies again and again and they are never relevant to the discussion. If you are not already a bot, clearly you aspire to become one.

Not surprising that someone supporting genocide denies facts.

 

[Shusha]

What's your point?

Still the same. There is no utility in the term "Zionist". But I've now also added that you are a Zionist.

 

[Shusha]

First, Palestine's native residents are resisting the longest and most ruthless foreign funded genocide in history.

You really are stretching the definition of "genocide" thin.

 

[Stryder50]

What are you attempting to communicate?


People who have have never spent time in and around the Middle East and only had pro Israel MSM poured into their heads have been programmed to hate Muslims

If Muslims are so violent and evil, how was I able to spend 10 - 11 months walking and hitch hiking around the Islamic Middle East and only be treated with generosity, kindness and hospitality?

That the dogma and text of Islam is one of the worst religions ever foisted upon humanity.
The dogma and text of a religion doesn't always match the limited beliefs and actions of those compelled to live under it.
Not all Muslims are Jihadists, but all Jihadist are fundamental, literal Muslims.

If you are telling the truth, which I've yet to see you actually do, you likely are a Muslim, or willing to behave as one in their lands.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

 

[Grau]

You really are stretching the definition of "genocide" thin.

Then I'm no different from most Americans and many Jews.


"The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds

Approval for Israel’s attack on Gaza has plummeted by 14 percent since November.

truthout.org

EXCERPT "Though U.S. officials have been pushing pro-Israel messages through the media relentlessly, the Gallup poll suggests that this messaging is failing to have its desired effect among the public, and that anti-Zionist advocates’ messages are instead breaking through." CONTINUED



"Jews Against Genocide statement and action"

Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN

www.ijan.org

EXCERPT "We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another." CONTINUED




"One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll"

One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll

Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new pol…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new poll has found, Anadolu Agency reports.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between 9 and 11 May and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the Centre.

“Approximately one-third of respondents agreed with the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, while about half disagreed,” it said." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

As always, your post is packed with lies and completely irrelevant to the current situation.

We both know that if an action is not committed to destroy a national, religious, racial or ethnic group it does not constitute a genocide and clearly what is happening in Gaza does not fit that definition, so there is no genocide.

Second, there is no basis in fact for claiming Israel created Hamas. Israel did help fund an Islamic charity in the 1970's that later morphed into Hamas during the first intifada. These are the two lies the rest of your post is based on.

You continue to post the same tired old lies again and again and they are never relevant to the discussion. If you are not already a bot, clearly you aspire to become one.

I can support everything I've written with multiple credible sources while you you are unable to refute anything I've written.

If you've been outsmarted by a "bot", I wouldn't tell everyone.

 

[rosends]

Then I'm no different from most Americans and many Jews.


"The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds

Approval for Israel’s attack on Gaza has plummeted by 14 percent since November.

truthout.org

EXCERPT "Though U.S. officials have been pushing pro-Israel messages through the media relentlessly, the Gallup poll suggests that this messaging is failing to have its desired effect among the public, and that anti-Zionist advocates’ messages are instead breaking through." CONTINUED



"Jews Against Genocide statement and action"

Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN

www.ijan.org

EXCERPT "We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another." CONTINUED




"One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll"

One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll

Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new pol…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new poll has found, Anadolu Agency reports.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between 9 and 11 May and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the Centre.

“Approximately one-third of respondents agreed with the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, while about half disagreed,” it said." CONTINUED

Here is w many of the people polled knew the difference between the general idea and f genocide and the legal definition? Do we know which meaning each person had in mind when answering ?

 

[Shusha]

Then I'm no different from most Americans and many Jews.

Are you? I was specifically referencing this post:

First, Palestine's native residents are resisting the longest and most ruthless foreign funded genocide in history.

I doubt most Americans believed that Israel was committing "the longest genocide in history" prior to the October 7 war.

 

[Shusha]

Here is w many of the people polled knew the difference between the general idea and f genocide and the legal definition? Do we know which meaning each person had in mind when answering ?

Here is the actual question asked and the results (Source, May, 2024) :

 

[Grau]

Here is w many of the people polled knew the difference between the general idea and f genocide and the legal definition? Do we know which meaning each person had in mind when answering ?

No, I'm sure that the definition of genocide varies from person to person.

It's not uncommon to quibble over linguistics in order to evade admitting that the murderous machinations of the Netanyahu government are entirely indefensible.

When has so much of the planet been so universally repulsed by such inexcusably ruthless sadism?

Finally, how is Nakba denial any less offensive than Holocaust denial?

Thanks,

 

[rosends]

No, I'm sure that the definition of genocide varies from person to person.

It's not uncommon to quibble over linguistics in order to evade admitting that the murderous machinations of the Netanyahu government are entirely indefensible.

It's not uncommon to make arguments predicated on misrepresentative language so that conclusions drawn will be misleading and biased.

When has so much of the planet been so universally repulsed by such inexcusably ruthless sadism?

I am reminded of the word bombastic at this point.

Finally, how is Nakba denial any less offensive than Holocaust denial?

would that depend on what Nakba means?

Post in thread 'Would One of Our Jewish Members Please Explain the Nakba?'

Aug 2, 2025

Has anyone mentioned the meaning Zureiq, intended when he used it in 1948?

Self inflicted Arab disaster.

Also how it was used in al-Husseini's 1956 "Facts on the Question of Palestine."

• rosends

so if it was defined to mean that, and you use it in another way, aren't YOU the one practicing actual Nakba denial?

 

[Grau]

Are you? I was specifically referencing this post:

I doubt most Americans believed that Israel was committing "the longest genocide in history" prior to the October 7 war.

Why are you misquoting me ?

In my Post # 165, I wrote: " ..... longest and most brutal foreign funded genocide in history".

Since pro Israel MSM censors the obscene degree to which AIPAC extorts countless $ Trillions, unconditional complicity and unlimited weaponry, few Americans know the extent to which they are paying for the barbaric atrocities committed by the Netanyahu government.

Please feel free to name a longer, more brutal foreign funded genocide.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why are you misquoting me ?

In my Post # 165, I wrote: " ..... longest and most brutal foreign funded genocide in history".

Since pro Israel MSM censors the obscene degree to which AIPAC extorts countless $ Trillions, unconditional complicity and unlimited weaponry, few Americans know the extent to which they are paying for the barbaric atrocities committed by the Netanyahu government.

Please feel free to name a longer, more brutal foreign funded genocide.

How many bombs has Israel dropped during this genocide?