How many Arabs and Muslims were there 40 years ago vs today? That will tell you if there's a genocide going on or not.Lol. You post this while actively supporting genocide and bigoted hatred for Arabs and Muslims.
"Israel Made the Desert Bloom" is a Myth, They Stole the Land from Farmers Who Were Already There for Hundreds of Years
- Thread starter munkle
- Start date
gipper
Diamond Member
- Jan 8, 2011
- 79,542
- 43,802
- 2,605
Dumb. Apparently you deny the Holocaust too, because there where Jews still living after it ended.
BOOM!
There was an independent Palestinian state in 1948.There's not a single educated, rational and and ethical Jew or non Jew that doesn't regard Israel's systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents as a genocide.
"Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza"
Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza
There are "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories said on Tuesday.news.un.org
EXCERPT "Citing international law, Ms. Albanese explained that genocide is defined as a specific set of acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
“Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” she said.
Furthermore, “the genocide in Gaza is the most extreme stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure of the native Palestinians,” she continued." CONTINUED
"A Majority of Americans Views Israel Negatively in wake of Gaza Genocide"
A Majority of Americans Views Israel Negatively in wake of Gaza Genocide
Ann Arbor (Informed Comment) - Laura Silver at the Pew Research Centerwww.juancole.com
EXCERPT "Laura Silver at the Pew Research Center reports that 53% of Americans now have a negative view of Israel, a stark deterioration from 42% in spring 2022 before the Israeli total war on Gaza.
Moreover, in just 3 years the percentage of Americans with very negative views of Israel has nearly doubled, from 10% to 19%. That is nearly one in five Americans." CONTINUED
"One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll"
One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll
Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new pol…www.middleeastmonitor.com
EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new poll has found, Anadolu Agency reports. CONTINUED
It's clearly long past time to crate up America's glut of grisly Holocaust theme parks and dump them on the Knesset stairs where their "lessons" are most needed.
The Palestinians, and their Arab/Muslim neighbors, rejected that because it also made a legal Jewish state.
The Arabs~Muslims~Palestinians then started war upon the new state of Israel to destroy it and kill, or drive out, all the Jews.
The Arabs~Muslims~Palestinians continue their war, and genocidal efforts upon Israel and the Jews there, when ever they think they have the military strength to do so.
Get the Arabs~Muslims~Palestinians to accept the 1948 Solution and stop attacking Israel and we might have peace there again.
Thanks for showing how you fail to understand English.
While you support Islamic genocide against the Jews since 1948, or earlier.
rosends
Gold Member
- Oct 19, 2012
- 4,899
- 1,639
- 198
nothing in that denies the Holocaust. In fact, the existence of teh Holocaust is what proves that there is no genocide now. Simply compare the Jewish population before and after, and compare the Muslim population over time. What you will find is that some things are not like the others
6 million Jews died in the Holocaust, in just a few years. Israel has lived in its ancestral land now for decades and has more enemies in the disputed territories now than ever before.
Not much of a genocide, is it? Arabs live peacefully in Israel and occupy positions of power. Before Oct 7, Gazans were allowed to move back and forth between Gaza and Israel to live and work. Jews, OTOH, were not allowed to live peacefully in Nazi controlled territory but were forcibly rounded up and shipped off to their deaths. Again, not much of a genocide. You like to use the word but clearly don't understand what it means.
Shusha
Gold Member
- Dec 14, 2015
- 16,314
- 3,662
- 290
Slander? I only pointed out that you referred to Jews as "parasites". If you don't like getting called out for de-humanizing an entire group of people, then don't do it.
Again, there is no utility in using the term "Zionist" except as a weasel word for "Jew". It serves you, so you can go on pretending your animosity is not towards Jews as a collective, but towards only "those" Jews.
I believe I have mentioned this before, specifically to you, but why don't you try not to use the term "Zionist" and say what you mean. For example, what group do you actually intend to compare to "parasites"? Everyone who lives in Israel and benefits from the State? So, Israelis. Or only those who live in Israel who are Jewish? So, Jewish Israelis. Or is it only Ashkenazi (white-presenting) Jewish Israelis? Or is it Jews who hold certain political opinions? If so, which ones? Then say that, "Israeli Jews who believe ....". Or is it Jews who are "oppressors", and how would we recognize those? Or maybe it is "right-wing" Jews. What defines "right-wing", then?
See where I am going with this? You've adopted a term that gets you out of saying Jews. But the term is nothing more than a slur to mean "Jews, but just the ones who are evil."
John Edgar Slow Horses
Diamond Member
- Apr 11, 2023
- 53,995
- 25,135
- 2,488
- Banned
- #129
This began was a mass murder raid on the October 7.
It does not end until all of Hamas are in mass graves. They are interfering with food aid.
It does not end until all of Hamas are in mass graves. They are interfering with food aid.
As always, I appreciate your civil and thoughtful comments.
I am fully aware that Jews are no different than any other ethnic / religious group and that numerous non Jews can be as rabid as the most hate filled of Zionists when it comes to anti Arab / anti Muslim bigotry.
Re:
Of course I agree and realize that some of the most virulent and atheistic Zionists are Jews in name only.
That's why I attempt to be as specific a possible to differentiate between "Jews" and "right wing Zionists".
For example, even though AIPAC is comprised of individuals who claim to be Jewish, it is in no way representative of all Jews, Judaism or any aspect to the Jewish faith.
The bulk of the snarky, insulting and moronic comments that I receive are from lonely and pathetic non Jews who have been easily brainwashed ("light load") and know nothing about the Middle East except what pro Israel Western MSM (1) pours into their head.
Finally, I do not believe that being complicit in the murderous machinations of the Netanyahu regime is genuinely in Israel's best long term interests.
In other words, supporting Netanyahu's internationally condemned genocide is not "supporting Israel".
Thanks,
(1). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416
EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.
Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with," CONTINUED
Nonsense.
Jews and Muslims had been living together in relative peace(1) until the invasion and occupation of Nazi armed and trained Zionist terrorist gangs(2) that later became the IDF.
You don't seem to be aware that Jews comprised only about 6% of Palestine's population in 1900 and that virtually every Israeli PM came from far away.
The primary "crime" of Palestine's native Arab residents was living in a land coveted by militant, foreign, Nazi trained and armed Zionists.
Look at any time frame map of Palestine and you'll see that Palestine's native Arabs have been unsuccessfully resisting a foreign invasion / occupation long before Israel was artificially created by foreign Colonial governments.
(1). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”
Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine
Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...
www.972mag.com
EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…
the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers.
He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.
Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.”CONTINUED
(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19
Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21
In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED
Shusha
Gold Member
- Dec 14, 2015
- 16,314
- 3,662
- 290
I’m claiming that “Zionist” is a meaningless weasel word. And that you should instead say what you actually mean.
Toddsterpatriot
Diamond Member
Nonsense.
Jews and Muslims had been living together in relative peace(1) until the invasion and occupation of Nazi armed and trained Zionist terrorist gangs(2) that later became the IDF.
You don't seem to be aware that Jews comprised only about 6% of Palestine's population in 1900 and that virtually every Israeli PM came from far away.
The primary "crime" of Palestine's native Arab residents was living in a land coveted by militant, foreign, Nazi trained and armed Zionists.
Look at any time frame map of Palestine and you'll see that Palestine's native Arabs have been unsuccessfully resisting a foreign invasion / occupation long before Israel was artificially created by foreign Colonial governments.
(1). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”
Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine
Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...
EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…
the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers.
He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.
Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.”CONTINUED
Jews and Muslims had been living together in relative peace
Only if you ignore the intermittent slaughter of Jews.
gipper
Diamond Member
- Jan 8, 2011
- 79,542
- 43,802
- 2,605
Nazi?
Shusha
Gold Member
- Dec 14, 2015
- 16,314
- 3,662
- 290
Thanks for reinforcing my point. Another word that no longer has any functional meaning, except as a slur.
gipper
Diamond Member
- Jan 8, 2011
- 79,542
- 43,802
- 2,605
Thanks to your kind.
I am saying what I actually mean yet, you're still not answering a simple question:
"Do you believe that ALL Jews are Zionists?"
Rabbi Weiss, (1) who I suspect knows more about the nature of Zionism than both of us, illustrates the dishonest ploy of conflating Zionists with "the Jews" in order to howl "anti Semite".
Attempting to slander Jews or non Jews who condemn Zionist genocide as "self hating Jews" or "anti Semites", respectively, is simply desperate slander:
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" - Socrates
Finally, you claimed that you were a Zionist yet you now regard your convictions as a "meaningless weasel word".
Please clarify,
(1)."We are crying with Palestinians: Jewish anti-Zionist group"
"‘Despite Muslims and Jews having lived together for centuries, Zionists claim opposition to their state is due to Muslims hating Jews,’ says anti-Zionist rabbi"
We are crying with Palestinians: Jewish anti-Zionist group
‘Despite Muslims and Jews having lived together for centuries, Zionists claim opposition to their state is due to Muslims hating Jews,’ says anti-Zionist rabbi - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr
EXCERPT "Real believers in Judaism mourn the crimes being done to Palestinians by the state of Israel, as these violations are clearly barred by their faith, said a spokesman for an anti-Zionist group.
"In our religion, killing and stealing are clearly forbidden. (Israel), on the other hand, establishes its state by taking it from the Arabs. That's why we are crying with the Palestinians,” said Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a rabbi and spokesman for Neturei Karta, a group founded in Jerusalem.
In an interview with Anadolu, Weiss discussed the principles of Zionism, the founding ideology of the state of Israel, as well as the use of violence against Palestinians and the appropriation of land.
Weiss said there are many people who confuse Judaism and Zionism and are confused about this.
“Zionism is the ideology of the state of Israel, which tries to present itself as the Jewish state. They claim that they represent Jewish religion, they claim that they are speaking in the name of God.
They claim that they are the voice around the world of Jewish people that have an attachment with God or the Torah. That’s not true,” said Weiss, referring to the first five books of the Jewish and Christian scriptures.
Weiss highlighted that those “who speak up against” this situation are often labeled "antisemitic" or "haters of the Jewish people and their religion." CONTINUED
rosends
Gold Member
- Oct 19, 2012
- 4,899
- 1,639
- 198
Just so you understand R. Weiss' position (and I have researched it quite thoroughly and spoken to a cousin of his to clarify) -- Zionism is fine, but modern (secular/political) Zionism which starts a secular state is the problem. The group believes that once the secular state is dismantled, the messiah will come, install a theocracy and enslave non-Jews. That's their actual full position. Is this the approach you endorse?I am saying what I actually mean yet, you're still not answering a simple question:
"Do you believe that ALL Jews are Zionists?"
Rabbi Weiss, (1) who I suspect knows more about the nature of Zionism than both of us, illustrates the dishonest ploy of conflating Zionists with "the Jews" in order to howl "anti Semite".
Attempting to slander Jews or non Jews who condemn Zionist genocide as "self hating Jews" or "anti Semites", respectively, is simply desperate slander:
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" - Socrates
Finally, you claimed that you were a Zionist yet you now regard your convictions as a "meaningless weasel word".
Please clarify,
(1)."We are crying with Palestinians: Jewish anti-Zionist group"
"‘Despite Muslims and Jews having lived together for centuries, Zionists claim opposition to their state is due to Muslims hating Jews,’ says anti-Zionist rabbi"
We are crying with Palestinians: Jewish anti-Zionist group
‘Despite Muslims and Jews having lived together for centuries, Zionists claim opposition to their state is due to Muslims hating Jews,’ says anti-Zionist rabbi - Anadolu Ajansı
EXCERPT "Real believers in Judaism mourn the crimes being done to Palestinians by the state of Israel, as these violations are clearly barred by their faith, said a spokesman for an anti-Zionist group.
"In our religion, killing and stealing are clearly forbidden. (Israel), on the other hand, establishes its state by taking it from the Arabs. That's why we are crying with the Palestinians,” said Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a rabbi and spokesman for Neturei Karta, a group founded in Jerusalem.
In an interview with Anadolu, Weiss discussed the principles of Zionism, the founding ideology of the state of Israel, as well as the use of violence against Palestinians and the appropriation of land.
Weiss said there are many people who confuse Judaism and Zionism and are confused about this.
“Zionism is the ideology of the state of Israel, which tries to present itself as the Jewish state. They claim that they represent Jewish religion, they claim that they are speaking in the name of God.
They claim that they are the voice around the world of Jewish people that have an attachment with God or the Torah. That’s not true,” said Weiss, referring to the first five books of the Jewish and Christian scriptures.
Weiss highlighted that those “who speak up against” this situation are often labeled "antisemitic" or "haters of the Jewish people and their religion." CONTINUED
ShahdagMountains
Diamond Member
- Jan 16, 2012
- 13,502
- 15,469
- 2,278
The crux of the matter:
Similar threads
- Locked
New Topics
-
-
-
-
-
Code Stink is staying at 5 Star Hotel in Cuba. Hopefully they don't return.- Started by Locke11_21
- Replies: 7
Latest Discussions
-
Turns out, it's white Democrat men who are too stupid to get IDs- Latest: Admiral Rockwell Tory
-
-
-