"Israel Made the Desert Bloom" is a Myth, They Stole the Land from Farmers Who Were Already There for Hundreds of Years

[Grau]

It's not uncommon to make arguments predicated on misrepresentative language so that conclusions drawn will be misleading and biased.

I am reminded of the word bombastic at this point.

would that depend on what Nakba means?

Post in thread 'Would One of Our Jewish Members Please Explain the Nakba?'

Aug 2, 2025

Has anyone mentioned the meaning Zureiq, intended when he used it in 1948?

Self inflicted Arab disaster.

Also how it was used in al-Husseini's 1956 "Facts on the Question of Palestine."

• rosends

so if it was defined to mean that, and you use it in another way, aren't YOU the one practicing actual Nakba denial?

Let's cut though the evasive rhetorical run around.

Are you among those who condones the horrific atrocities committed by the Netanyahu government or do you condemn them.

It's a simple question.

 

[Grau]

How many bombs has Israel dropped during this genocide?

Enough to ensure far more civilian deaths than if destroying Hamas was the only objective.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Enough to ensure far more civilian deaths than if destroying Hamas was the only objective.

That's awful!

But what is the actual number of bombs?

 

[Shusha]

Enough to ensure far more civilian deaths than if destroying Hamas was the only objective.

Do you have calculations on how many civilian deaths there "should" have been if Israel's only objective were to destroy Hamas? I'd like to see those.

 

[rosends]

Let's cut though the evasive rhetorical run around.

Are you among those who condones the horrific atrocities committed by the Netanyahu government or do you condemn them.

It's a simple question.

That's not so simple. How about this - instead of making reference to some nebulous group, and instead of using language that pre judges, why don't you point to a very specific event?

 

[Shusha]

Please feel free to name a longer, more brutal foreign funded genocide.

It's certainly the strangest genocide. Are there other genocides where the targeted population INCREASES by a factor of 10? (I guess depending on when you start counting).

I'm not sure why you include foreign-funded in your claim, other than to narrow the field down to one, thus making the (non-existent) "genocide" committed by Israel as the "worst" by default of being the only one, by your categorization (which I reject).

In terms of brutal, one might consider the extermination of an entire peoples (reduction in population of 100%) to be the worst possible (Black War - Aboriginal Tasmanians). Or a reduction in population of 95% with a complete eradication of culture and language (Moriori genocide). 97% (Circassian). 90% (Armenian genocide). 80% (California genocide of American Indians). 70% (Rwanda). 66% (Holocaust). 40% (Mayan genocide). 40% (Congo Bambuti). 33% (Cambodia). So many I haven't even touched on.

In terms of sheer numbers, Holocaust (6 million). Cambodia (3 million). Circassian (2 million). Armenian (1.5 million). Greek (1.2 million). Romani (1 million). Rwanda (800,000). Darfur (500,000). (Taking upper numbers).

I really have to ask why you are intent on declaring this one, let's call it what it really is, a war, THE most brutal.

 

[Grau]

"WHY KEEP OMITTING 'FOREIGN FUNDED'?"

It's certainly the strangest genocide. Are there other genocides where the targeted population INCREASES by a factor of 10? (I guess depending on when you start counting).

I'm not sure why you include foreign-funded in your claim, other than to narrow the field down to one, thus making the (non-existent) "genocide" committed by Israel as the "worst" by default of being the only one, by your categorization (which I reject).

In terms of brutal, one might consider the extermination of an entire peoples (reduction in population of 100%) to be the worst possible (Black War - Aboriginal Tasmanians). Or a reduction in population of 95% with a complete eradication of culture and language (Moriori genocide). 97% (Circassian). 90% (Armenian genocide). 80% (California genocide of American Indians). 70% (Rwanda). 66% (Holocaust). 40% (Mayan genocide). 40% (Congo Bambuti). 33% (Cambodia). So many I haven't even touched on.

In terms of sheer numbers, Holocaust (6 million). Cambodia (3 million). Circassian (2 million). Armenian (1.5 million). Greek (1.2 million). Romani (1 million). Rwanda (800,000). Darfur (500,000). (Taking upper numbers).

I really have to ask why you are intent on declaring this one, let's call it what it really is, a war, THE most brutal.

First, why the current Gaza genocide is not a "war".

When only one side has the most sophisticated and inexhaustible supply of military aircraft, (fighters, bombers, helicopter gunships, drones etc) a complete, modern and extensive Navy, heavy weaponry (tanks APCs, artillery etc), an inexhaustible supply of all ordinance, unlimited satellite intelligence access, heavy construction / destruction equipment (armored bulldozers, excavators etc) unlimited manpower, and unlimited foreign funding from a global superpower.


Re:

I really have to ask why you are intent on declaring this one, let's call it what it really is, a war, THE most brutal.

I'm glad you asked that question for more than one reason.

First, your deliberate need to misquote me shows the degree to which your are unable to excuse the inexcusable.

EVERY TIME that I characterize the 80 year old Nakba or internationally condemned Zionist genocide as "the most...brutal / ruthless genocide / occupation etc" I am careful to ALWAYS include "foreign funded".

Your repeated and deliberate need to misquote me exemplifies a disingenuous pattern found when individuals are unable to , honestly, defend an indefensible position.

The reason that this disingenuous need of yours to deliberately misquote me is especially egregious is three fold:

- Deliberately omitting "foreign funded" significantly distorts my clearly stated sentiments.

- Because you are clearly unable to name another more horrific and ruthless foreign funded genocide, you MUST distort my irrefutable assertion.

- Without the innumerable $ Trillions in "aid", weaponry, "joint" projects, forgiven "loans" etc, Israel would not only be unable systematically exterminate Palestine's native residents, starve the survivors and destroy the homes and life sustaining infrastructure of nearly 2 million innocent civilians.

The right wing Netanyahu government would also be unable to pursue its criminal "Settlements" expansionism and reject a just and durable peace (1) without this unlimited foreign funding.

The reasons that I am as outspoken about this relentless and inexcusable, 80 year old genocide are several:

- I have seen combat and what modern ordinance does to human tissue.

- I've spent time among hungry / starving children and other civilians in war torn 3rd World countries. (I also missed more than a few meals, myself, while stuck in sandstorms, blizzards etc)

- I would have been equally as outspoken about the persecutions of Jews if I had been alive during the time of the Holocaust.

- I promised many of the numerous kind and generous Muslims / Palestinians who gave me shelter, rides, food and water that I would do what little I could to bring about an even handed US Middle East policy.

- Unconditional US support of each and every Israeli crime, atrocity and act of aggression is severely detrimental to and endangers both Jews around the world and Americans everywhere.


Finally, are you really unaware of the enormous number of Jews and non Jews who are both repulsed and resentful of the atrocities committed by the foreign funded Netanyahu regime?





(1). "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project.

 

[Shusha]

"WHY KEEP OMITTING 'FOREIGN FUNDED'?"

I answered that in my post. Please list all foreign-funded genocides.

First, why the current Gaza genocide is not a "war".

When only one side has the most sophisticated and inexhaustible supply of military aircraft, (fighters, bombers, helicopter gunships, drones etc) a complete, modern and extensive Navy, heavy weaponry (tanks APCs, artillery etc), an inexhaustible supply of all ordinance, unlimited satellite intelligence access, heavy construction / destruction equipment (armored bulldozers, excavators etc) unlimited manpower, and unlimited foreign funding from a global superpower.

Tell me, do you think there is such a thing as war? As opposed to genocide? According to you, what is the criteria for categorizing each?

 

[Grau]

That's not so simple. How about this - instead of making reference to some nebulous group, and instead of using language that pre judges, why don't you point to a very specific event?

Please explain what is nebulous about " the Netanyahu government".

Next, many members of it have already been found guilty by international courts of some form of war crime or crime against humanity.

My question was not meant to be complex.

Most of the planet has loudly condemned the right wing Netanyahu government (Smotrich, Ben Gvir, Gallant, etc) and most Americans oppose it's blatant excesses.

Do you approve of what so many strongly oppose?

 

[Shusha]

" the Netanyahu government".

Next, many members of it have already been found guilty by international courts of some form of war crime or crime against humanity.

Link?

 

[rosends]

Please explain what is nebulous about " the Netanyahu government".

Do you mean the Arabs in it as well?

Next, many members of it have already been found guilty by international courts of some form of war crime or crime against humanity.

Really? Found guilty? Can you show where this was declared?

Do you approve of what so many strongly oppose?

I approve of some elements and not others.

 

[Grau]

1. Do you mean the Arabs in it as well?

2. Really? Found guilty? Can you show where this was declared?

3. I approve of some elements and not others.

(I took the liberty of numbering your responses for clarity. G.)


1. I tried to be specific by specifying "right wing Netanyahu government" meaning, more specifically, the right wing element supportive of continued genocide, expansionism, starvation, land theft etc.
Any Arabs supporting the same genocidal abuses should also face identical consequences.

Are you really unaware of the conditions in Gaza that IDF attempts to repress?

2. Netanyahu and Gallant have been found guilty enough to justify arrest warrants and Smotrich & Ben Gvir are among numerous right wing members repeatedly expressing genocidal declarations.

I'm really surprised that you are not aware of this.

Further proof that condemnation of Netanyahu's genocidal agenda is not a "Jews vs non Jews" conflict is in the growing number of Jewish groups and individuals who condemn this torturous slaughter. (2)

3. How could anyone approve of anything done by individuals with such a perverted moral compass:

"Nobody will let us cause two million civilians to die of hunger, even though it might be justified and moral, until our hostages are returned."

Smotrich 2024

(1). "War crimes court issues warrants for Netanyahu and former Israeli defense minister"​

War crimes court issues warrants for Netanyahu and former Israeli defense minister

The world’s top war crimes court issued warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. The court said they committed crimes against humanity for intentionally depriving Gazans of food and directing attacks against civilians. Israel called it an...

www.pbs.org

EXCERPT "The world’s top war crimes court issued warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. The court said they committed crimes against humanity for intentionally depriving Gazans of food and directing attacks against civilians." CONTINUED

(2). "For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza"​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-rights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl

EXCERPT "A pair of leading Israeli human rights groups has accused Israel of “committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza,” becoming the first such organizations to make the claim.

"B’Tselem said in a major report released on Monday that it came to that “unequivocal conclusion” after an “examination of Israel’s policy in the Gaza Strip and its horrific outcomes, together with statements by senior Israeli politicians and military commanders about the goals of the attack.”

"A second Israeli group, Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI), announced it was joining B’Tselem in calling Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. It published a separate legal and medical analysis documenting what it called “deliberate and systematic extermination of the health system in Gaza.” CONTINUED

 

[Shusha]

Netanyahu and Gallant have been found guilty enough ...

So, not actually guilty.

Not actually genocide.

Not actually starvation.

Not actually apartheid.

Not actually occupation.

We just water down the words until we can accuse Israel of something evil.

 

[Grau]

So, not actually guilty.

Not actually genocide.

Not actually starvation.

Not actually apartheid.

Not actually occupation.

We just water down the words until we can accuse Israel of something evil.

In addition to deliberately misquoting me, I am both surprised and disappointed at your unwillingness to see internationally condemned genocide committed by right wing elements within the Netanyahu government via, unlimited US ordinance, exposure to the elements, starvation, deprivation of life sustaining medical supplies.

You can't be oblivious to the growing global outrage, can you?

Re:

We just water down the words until we can accuse Israel of something evil.

My views are no different from conscientious Jews around the world, as well as a growing number of Israelis and even more and more IDF members.

They seem to be aware of the inevitable Blowback resulting from this genocide that will adversely affect them.

Meanwhile, distant Canadian Jews can safely cheer on the carnage affecting others from far far away.

(1). "41 Israeli soldiers renounce military service, call genocidal attacks in Gaza 'Netanyahu's survival war'"​

41 Israeli soldiers renounce military service, call genocidal attacks in Gaza 'Netanyahu's survival war'

Soldiers from Israel's intelligence and cyber warfare units sent signed letter to Premier Netanyahu, Defense Minister Katz, Chief of Staff Zamir, and Cabinet members, expressing their refusal, reports media - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPTS "Forty-one Israeli soldiers announced on Tuesday that they will not continue their military service, describing the ongoing genocide in Gaza as a war fought to protect Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's political survival rather than to secure Israel or rescue hostages.

They criticized the decision to expand military operations in the Strip, asserting that the aim is to “preserve the ruling coalition, not protect Israeli citizens.”

The soldiers said they would not participate in “Netanyahu’s survival war.” Some pledged to make their refusal public, while others promised to use quieter, “gray area” forms of protest."CONTINUED

(2). "For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza"​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/28/midd...ights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl

EXCERPT "A pair of leading Israeli human rights groups has accused Israel of “committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza,” becoming the first such organizations to make the claim.

"B’Tselem said in a major report released on Monday that it came to that “unequivocal conclusion” after an “examination of Israel’s policy in the Gaza Strip and its horrific outcomes, together with statements by senior Israeli politicians and military commanders about the goals of the attack.”

"A second Israeli group, Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI), announced it was joining B’Tselem in calling Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. It published a separate legal and medical analysis documenting what it called “deliberate and systematic extermination of the health system in Gaza.” CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

So, not actually guilty.

Not actually genocide.

Not actually starvation.

Not actually apartheid.

Not actually occupation.

We just water down the words until we can accuse Israel of something evil.

In addition to deliberately misquoting me, I am both surprised and disappointed at your unwillingness to see internationally condemned genocide committed by right wing elements within the Netanyahu government via, unlimited US ordinance, exposure to the elements, starvation, deprivation of life sustaining medical supplies.

You can't be oblivious to the growing global outrage, can you?

Re:

We just water down the words until we can accuse Israel of something evil.

My views are no different from conscientious Jews around the world, as well as a growing number of Israelis and even more and more IDF members.

They seem to be aware of the inevitable Blowback resulting from this genocide that will adversely affect them.

Meanwhile, distant Canadian Jews can safely cheer on the carnage affecting others from far far away.

(1). "41 Israeli soldiers renounce military service, call genocidal attacks in Gaza 'Netanyahu's survival war'"​

41 Israeli soldiers renounce military service, call genocidal attacks in Gaza 'Netanyahu's survival war'

Soldiers from Israel's intelligence and cyber warfare units sent signed letter to Premier Netanyahu, Defense Minister Katz, Chief of Staff Zamir, and Cabinet members, expressing their refusal, reports media - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPTS "Forty-one Israeli soldiers announced on Tuesday that they will not continue their military service, describing the ongoing genocide in Gaza as a war fought to protect Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's political survival rather than to secure Israel or rescue hostages.

They criticized the decision to expand military operations in the Strip, asserting that the aim is to “preserve the ruling coalition, not protect Israeli citizens.”

The soldiers said they would not participate in “Netanyahu’s survival war.” Some pledged to make their refusal public, while others promised to use quieter, “gray area” forms of protest."CONTINUED

(2). "For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza"​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/28/midd...ights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl

EXCERPT "A pair of leading Israeli human rights groups has accused Israel of “committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza,” becoming the first such organizations to make the claim.

"B’Tselem said in a major report released on Monday that it came to that “unequivocal conclusion” after an “examination of Israel’s policy in the Gaza Strip and its horrific outcomes, together with statements by senior Israeli politicians and military commanders about the goals of the attack.”

"A second Israeli group, Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI), announced it was joining B’Tselem in calling Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. It published a separate legal and medical analysis documenting what it called “deliberate and systematic extermination of the health system in Gaza.” CONTINUED

 

[rosends]

(I took the liberty of numbering your responses for clarity. G.)


1. I tried to be specific by specifying "right wing Netanyahu government" meaning, more specifically, the right wing element supportive of continued genocide, expansionism, starvation, land theft etc.
Any Arabs supporting the same genocidal abuses should also face identical consequences

So you are really only referring to a specific segment of the government and even then, only addressing things that you label negatively.

Are you really unaware of the conditions in Gaza that IDF attempts to repress?

I'm aware of the part Hamas repressed. Are you?

2. Netanyahu and Gallant have been found guilty enough to justify arrest warrants

But your claim was that they were found guilty, not found guilty enough (which is not a legal finding). Are you changing your claim?

and Smotrich & Ben Gvir are among numerous right wing members repeatedly expressing genocidal declarations.

Some might have. I wouldn't vote for someone who says that. I wonder how you feel about the duly elected government of Gaza and its genocidal actions

3. How could anyone approve of anything done by individuals with such a perverted moral compass:

I could say the same back. To my understanding, my moral compass is as spot on as you feel yours is according to your understanding .

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In addition to deliberately misquoting me, I am both surprised and disappointed at your unwillingness to see internationally condemned genocide committed by right wing elements within the Netanyahu government via, unlimited US ordinance, exposure to the elements, starvation, deprivation of life sustaining medical supplies.

You can't be oblivious to the growing global outrage, can you?

Re:


My views are no different from conscientious Jews around the world, as well as a growing number of Israelis and even more and more IDF members.

They seem to be aware of the inevitable Blowback resulting from this genocide that will adversely affect them.

Meanwhile, distant Canadian Jews can safely cheer on the carnage affecting others from far far away.

(1). "41 Israeli soldiers renounce military service, call genocidal attacks in Gaza 'Netanyahu's survival war'"​

41 Israeli soldiers renounce military service, call genocidal attacks in Gaza 'Netanyahu's survival war'

Soldiers from Israel's intelligence and cyber warfare units sent signed letter to Premier Netanyahu, Defense Minister Katz, Chief of Staff Zamir, and Cabinet members, expressing their refusal, reports media - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPTS "Forty-one Israeli soldiers announced on Tuesday that they will not continue their military service, describing the ongoing genocide in Gaza as a war fought to protect Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's political survival rather than to secure Israel or rescue hostages.

They criticized the decision to expand military operations in the Strip, asserting that the aim is to “preserve the ruling coalition, not protect Israeli citizens.”

The soldiers said they would not participate in “Netanyahu’s survival war.” Some pledged to make their refusal public, while others promised to use quieter, “gray area” forms of protest."CONTINUED

(2). "For first time, two leading Israeli human rights groups accuse Israel of genocide in Gaza"​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/28/midd...ights-group-accuses-israel-genocide-gaza-intl

EXCERPT "A pair of leading Israeli human rights groups has accused Israel of “committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza,” becoming the first such organizations to make the claim.

"B’Tselem said in a major report released on Monday that it came to that “unequivocal conclusion” after an “examination of Israel’s policy in the Gaza Strip and its horrific outcomes, together with statements by senior Israeli politicians and military commanders about the goals of the attack.”

"A second Israeli group, Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI), announced it was joining B’Tselem in calling Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. It published a separate legal and medical analysis documenting what it called “deliberate and systematic extermination of the health system in Gaza.” CONTINUED

Israel has dropped more bombs than Arab civilians have been killed, right?

 

[Shusha]

Meanwhile, distant Canadian Jews

This Canadian Jew is going to call you out when you spread falsehoods.

 

[Grau]

1. So you are really only referring to a specific segment of the government and even then, only addressing things that you label negatively.

2. I'm aware of the part Hamas repressed. Are you?

3. But your claim was that they were found guilty, not found guilty enough (which is not a legal finding). Are you changing your claim?

4. Some might have. I wouldn't vote for someone who says that. I wonder how you feel about the duly elected government of Gaza and its genocidal actions

3. I could say the same back. To my understanding, my moral compass is as spot on as you feel yours is according to your understanding .

(Again, I added the numbers for clarity. G.)

#1. Yes, I realize that many Israelis and Jews around the world also condemn the right wing elements in the current Netanyahu government.

I am delighted to praise the Jews and Israelis whose efforts are commendable.
What do genocidal miscreants like Smotrich, Netanyahu, Gallant, Ben Gvir etc deserve except condemnation?

#2. You can't be serious. IDF has killed 242 journalists since 7 October 2023.
How many has Hamas killed?

"‘A desperate attempt to silence voices’: Israel accused over the ever-growing death toll of journalists in Gaza"​

Israel accused of ‘attempt to silence’ as UN says 240 journalists killed in Gaza

Human rights organisations and news organisations have condemned the deaths of scores of journalists since 7 October 2023

www.the-independent.com

EXCERPT "The latest figures from the UN say that at least 242 Palestinian journalists have died in the nearly two-year conflict. The death toll has continued to mount in recent months as Israel’s attacks in the war-torn enclave have escalated." CONTINUED

#3 To clarify my assertion, the US blocks efforts by the international community to bring genocidal Israeli war criminals to justice. So, while Netanyahu and Gallant have been found worthy of arrest but have not yet been tried in court, convicted and sentenced.

#4 The amount of "whataboutery" employed by apologists for the Gaza genocide only reveals the degree to which you cannot excuse murderous Zionist criminality.
Israel's right wing and Mossad helped establish Hamas to incite civil war among Palestinians.
They are responsible for its existence.

#5 You're being characteristically evasive:

I wrote specifically about Smotrich and his quote:
From my Post # 192:
"3. How could anyone approve of anything done by individuals with such a perverted moral compass:

"Nobody will let us cause two million civilians to die of hunger, even though it might be justified and moral, until our hostages are returned."

Smotrich 2024 "

So, again, how could anyone approve of Smotrich and his genocidal ilk who would starve about 2 million civilians if he could get away with it?

 

[rosends]

(Again, I added the numbers for clarity. G.)

#1. Yes, I realize that many Israelis and Jews around the world also condemn the right wing elements in the current Netanyahu government.

I am delighted to praise the Jews and Israelis whose efforts are commendable.

ah, the "good Jew" reference. A classic.

What do genocidal miscreants like Smotrich, Netanyahu, Gallant, Ben Gvir etc deserve except condemnation?

they don't deserve labels but you seem to enjoy loading up on those.

#2. You can't be serious. IDF has killed 242 journalists since 7 October 2023.

yeah..."journalists"

Post in thread 'Israel's War Against Hamas - Updates'

Aug 11, 2025

• Sixties Fan

How many has Hamas killed?

well, to start, 4 (or was it 5) on October 7th. It seems that any concern for journalists started after that.

#3 To clarify my assertion, the US blocks efforts by the international community to bring genocidal Israeli war criminals to justice. So, while Netanyahu and Gallant have been found worthy of arrest but have not yet been tried in court, convicted and sentenced.

so no one has been found guilty, the ICC (of which Israel is not a part) pursued arrest warrants to deflect attention from its own sex scandal, and one of the prime movers here, South Africa, (which pushed the ICJ to pursue the whole genocide canard) has had its own issues with the court. I hope you can see how making the claim that you did, "found guilty" could lead a reader to draw false conclusions. Unless you were asked for clarification by someone who knew you were wrong, would you have self-clarified so no one got the wrong idea?

#4 The amount of "whataboutery" employed by apologists for the Gaza genocide only reveals the degree to which you cannot excuse murderous Zionist criminality.

see? Starting again with labels. You'll note that I answered your question and THEN asked you about your response to a similar question. You are avoiding answering. Why?

Israel's right wing and Mossad helped establish Hamas to incite civil war among Palestinians.
They are responsible for its existence.

Not exactly civil war, but many years ago, when the political reality was different, Israel benefited from tension between the PA and Hamas and did take steps to help Hamas because that also maintained the state of relative peace between Israel and the Gaza entity. Overblown statements without explanation or qualification might lead people to misunderstandings so it is best to be more precise and eschew soundbites.

#5 You're being characteristically evasive:

I wrote specifically about Smotrich and his quote:
From my Post # 192:
"3. How could anyone approve of anything done by individuals with such a perverted moral compass:

"Nobody will let us cause two million civilians to die of hunger, even though it might be justified and moral, until our hostages are returned."

Smotrich 2024 "

So, again, how could anyone approve of Smotrich and his genocidal ilk who would starve about 2 million civilians if he could get away with it?

No, he said that no one will let it happen even if it is justified and moral. Nothing about "getting away with it". Again, misstating or misrepresenting the positions of others might pack some short term punch but if it can't stand even the most basic scrutiny, all it does is weaken your credibility.