Zone1 Is This of God, or the Devil?

[buttercup]

The problem is you are adding words to Genesis 1:29 that are not there. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

No one is saying that anyone ate the animal that was sacrificed. But again, that doesn't mean those imperfect animals that were not sacrificial worthy were not used as food. Again, you are assuming this that doesn't exist and is simply silly since we all know mankind are built to be meat eaters. That's why your teeth have canines.

Once again you are completely ignoring God's original design. Or are you one of those who thinks that because Genesis 1:29 doesn't explicitly mention flesh eating, that means God designed animals to be our food? I'm sorry but that is absurd.

If animals were to be our food from the start, God would have said so, from the start. Genesis 1:29 is clear, we were given a plantbased diet. And that makes perfect sense, when you think about it.

Using common sense and logic, do you honestly think that a God of love, mercy and PEACE would create animals HE loves, who are sentient, enjoy life, can feel pain and have a strong will to live.... only to be mere food items that we chop up, causing fear, pain and suffering? That is not aligned with God's nature at all, not even close. In fact, if anything, it would be what the lowercase "god of this world" wants: fear, pain, suffering, exploitation, selfishness, violence, killing....and for all creation to continually be at each other's throats.

God wants peace and harmony. God wants us to be merciful, and to do all things in LOVE. God wants us to be servant leaders, not self-serving brutal tyrants.

Plus, you are not looking at the big picture. You're completely ignoring the prophetic scriptures that state that God is going to restore the Peaceable Kingdom that HE desired for all of us in the first place. Where the wolf will live with the lamb, the lion will eat straw like the ox, and none will harm or destroy. ( Isaiah 11:6-9, Isaiah 65:25, etc)

When was animal sacrifice given? Genesis 4 is proof that God instituted animal sacrifice with Adam and Eve. God accepted the animal sacrifice of Abel which means God did introduce this to Adam and Eve as their children did so too. There are no scriptures that say God didn't want or like animal sacrifices for it was a similitude of the only begotten of the Father God in the flesh, Jesus Christ future atonement sacrifice. It's why it was to be the firstling of the flock unblemished.

You ignored pretty much everything I said in my previous post. I don't want to repeat myself.

It was an OFFERING, not a sacrifice. The word for sacrifice was not used, the word for offering or gift was used.

Animal sacrifice didn't come about until MANY centuries later, and AGAIN, it was a pagan practice that was already taking place in different cultures.

Like I said before, according to the Book of Enoch and other ancient texts, it started with the Fallen Angels / Nephilim.

As for scripture that show God never wanted or liked animal sacrifice, here are a few for you:

Psalm 51:16-17

For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;
You do not delight in burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,
A broken and a contrite heart—
These, O God, You will not despise.


Psalm 40:6

Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;
My ears You have opened.
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.


Jeremiah 7:22-24

For I did not speak to your fathers or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’ Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.


Hosea 6:6

For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.



1 Samuel 15:22

But Samuel replied:

“Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the Lord?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
and to heed is better than the fat of rams.


Isaiah 1:11-17

“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says the Lord.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle.
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
Or of lambs or goats.
“When you come to appear before Me,
Who has required this from your hand,
To trample My courts?
Bring no more futile sacrifices;
Incense is an abomination to Me.

The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
My soul hates;
They are a trouble to Me,
I am weary of bearing them.

When you spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of blood.

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
Cease to do evil,
Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Rebuke the oppressor;
Defend the fatherless,
Plead for the widow.


Micah 6:8

He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God?​

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Charlie Kirk wasn't a pig. He was a human being. That was murder. That's completely different.





If God wasn't for the slaughtering of animals then why did He specifically state in the Bible that we could eat meat? I just don't think that animals should suffer like the practices being shown in this thread as to me that is Satanic.


Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that lives will be food for you."

Your "bacon" was a sentient being created by your Creator. YOU, as is all humanity, were charged with his/her care BY YOUR CREATOR. You are an accessory to murder. Someday you will understand this.

Genesis 9:3 was a covenant with NOAH, not you. Noah landed in a COMPLETELY desolate world. There was NOTHING. God COULD have provided manna I suppose, but He didn't. Noah had no other options. YOU HAVE CHOICES. You choose to kill/murder.

 

[ChristisKing]

Your "bacon" was a sentient being created by your Creator. YOU, as is all humanity, were charged with his/her care BY YOUR CREATOR. You are an accessory to murder. Someday you will understand this.

Genesis 9:3 was a covenant with NOAH, not you. Noah landed in a COMPLETELY desolate world. There was NOTHING. God COULD have provided manna I suppose, but He didn't. Noah had no other options. YOU HAVE CHOICES. You choose to kill/murder.

I'm choosing to murder by choosing to eat pigs? That doesn't make sense as murder only applies to humans not animals. Yes there are animal cruelty laws but they're not the same thing as a murder charge if you kill an animal although in some cases I believe that it should be.


I've already said countless times on here that the gas chamber and that thing with the chickens was inhumane so I would hope that you would at least give me that much credit. If you're looking for me to say I'm not going to eat animals anymore though that's not going to happen in this lifetime, BUT I respect your POV all the same.

 

[ChristisKing]

I will also say that I do NOT approve of this process as it should be one pig at a time. As again I might be a meat eater but all this does is terrorize them.

 

[BreezeWood]

we were given a plantbased diet. And that makes perfect sense, when you think about it.

flora too are carnivorous - what makes any book more knowledgeable than any other in the knowledge of heavenly intent liest of all portrayed by liars whose personifications are only the same as the likeminded to exert corruption where there is none as sustenance not being an issue than its appropriation.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This is how I see the world (humans under their god Satan)

 

[BreezeWood]

This is how I see the world (humans under their god Satan)

again, who are "their" than the conditions being presented are obviously those of the majority organized religions of the desert bibles that perpetuate the crimes of the 1st and 4th century by their false, self serving documents. genesis in particular an abdication to "their" - (madeup) satan.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I asked the very basic question in the title of the thread. Nobody can bring themselves to actually come out and say, the things we do to His creatures has His approval and blessing. In your soul you KNOW this isn't from God, but you still insist on defending the indefensible

"Thou are PETA, and upon this rock I will build my church"

 

[Cougarbear]

Once again you are completely ignoring God's original design. Or are you one of those who thinks that because Genesis 1:29 doesn't explicitly mention flesh eating, that means God designed animals to be our food? I'm sorry but that is absurd.

If animals were to be our food from the start, God would have said so, from the start. Genesis 1:29 is clear, we were given a plantbased diet. And that makes perfect sense, when you think about it.

Using common sense and logic, do you honestly think that a God of love, mercy and PEACE would create animals HE loves, who are sentient, enjoy life, can feel pain and have a strong will to live.... only to be mere food items that we chop up, causing fear, pain and suffering? That is not aligned with God's nature at all, not even close. In fact, if anything, it would be what the lowercase "god of this world" wants: fear, pain, suffering, exploitation, selfishness, violence, killing....and for all creation to continually be at each other's throats.

God wants peace and harmony. God wants us to be merciful, and to do all things in LOVE. God wants us to be servant leaders, not self-serving brutal tyrants.

Plus, you are not looking at the big picture. You're completely ignoring the prophetic scriptures that state that God is going to restore the Peaceable Kingdom that HE desired for all of us in the first place. Where the wolf will live with the lamb, the lion will eat straw like the ox, and none will harm or destroy. ( Isaiah 11:6-9, Isaiah 65:25, etc)




You ignored pretty much everything I said in my previous post. I don't want to repeat myself.

It was an OFFERING, not a sacrifice. The word for sacrifice was not used, the word for offering or gift was used.

Animal sacrifice didn't come about until MANY centuries later, and AGAIN, it was a pagan practice that was already taking place in different cultures.

Like I said before, according to the Book of Enoch and other ancient texts, it started with the Fallen Angels / Nephilim.

As for scripture that show God never wanted or liked animal sacrifice, here are a few for you:

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Psalm 51:16-17​

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For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;​

You do not delight in burnt offering.​

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,​

A broken and a contrite heart—​

These, O God, You will not despise.​

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Psalm 40:6​

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Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;​

My ears You have opened.​

Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.​

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Jeremiah 7:22-24​

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For I did not speak to your fathers or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’ Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.​

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Hosea 6:6​

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For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,​

And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.​

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1 Samuel 15:22​

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But Samuel replied:​

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“Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices​

as much as in obeying the Lord?​

To obey is better than sacrifice,​

and to heed is better than the fat of rams.​

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Isaiah 1:11-17​

​

“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”​

Says the Lord.​

“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams​

And the fat of fed cattle.​

I do not delight in the blood of bulls,​

Or of lambs or goats.​

“When you come to appear before Me,​

Who has required this from your hand,​

To trample My courts?​

Bring no more futile sacrifices;​

Incense is an abomination to Me.​

​

The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—​

I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.​

Your New Moons and your appointed feasts​

My soul hates;​

They are a trouble to Me,​

I am weary of bearing them.​

​

When you spread out your hands,​

I will hide My eyes from you;​

Even though you make many prayers,​

I will not hear.​

Your hands are full of blood.​

​

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;​

Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.​

Cease to do evil,​

Learn to do good;​

Seek justice,​

Rebuke the oppressor;​

Defend the fatherless,​

Plead for the widow.​

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​

Micah 6:8​

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He has shown you, O man, what is good;​

And what does the Lord require of you​

But to do justly,​

To love mercy,​

And to walk humbly with your God?​

You start off again making the same mistake. Assuming something that is just not there. It makes no difference that nothing is mentioned about Adam and Eve once they left the Garden. They were different persons both physically and spiritually. Death entered the world to them. Plants, trees and grass did not spontaneously grow free from defect. Thorns and thistles sprouted up outside the Garden. Their needs were different. Did this mean that they went away from growing fruits and vegies? Of course not. Did God say do not eat the meat of animals? No, he did not. So, you cannot just interject that God said do not eat meat. It's just not there.

Your interpretation of Isaiah is way off as well. What is Isaiah actually referring to when he condemns the sacrifices? He's not condemning the animal sacrifice. In fact, who's sacrifice did God condemn, Cain's or Abel's? Abel's was an animal sacrifice. But, why did God reject Cain's? He rejected it because it was not done for the right reason. The same is with the people of Isaiah. They were disobeying God because of the reasons for the sacrifices. Not that it was animals. I've given you the reason for sacrifice. It is a symbolism or similitude of the the eventual sacrifice of the only begotten Son of the Father in the Flesh, Jesus Christ. That is what the Lord taught Abraham with and His son. To know how the Father felt about the upcoming sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. The Atoning animal sacrifices were to bring the people to the Lord's eventual sacrifice. But, the people taught otherwise, just like you do.

 

[buttercup]

I didn't know what thread to post this on, so I guess I'll post it here.

This guy does amazing short videos. So dang true, that this is human "logic"...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I didn't know what thread to post this on, so I guess I'll post it here.

This guy does amazing short videos. So dang true, that this is human "logic"...

Sadly true

 

[dudmuck]

Eating Meat - The "Doctrine of Devils" - No Greater Joy Ministries

...Some say that it was not God's original plan for us to eat meat. His original plan was for us to go around naked, but things have changed...

nogreaterjoy.org

Jesus ate meat

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

“Be on guard, so that your hearts do not become heavy with the eating of flesh and with the intoxication of wine and with the anxiety of the world, and that day come upon you suddenly; for as a snare it will come upon all who dwell upon the surface of the earth.” (Jesus, Luke 21:34, Evangelion Da-Mepharreshe — Old Syriac-Aramaic Manuscript of the New Testament Gospels)

“Go and find out what is meant by the scripture that says: ‘It is kindness that I want, not animal sacrifices.’” (Jesus, Gospel of Matthew 9:13, Good News translation)

 

[buttercup]

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I absolutely believe that God hears every single of one of their cries of pain and horror that humans unnecessarily inflict upon them, and everyone will be held to account. The message in that video reminds of this quote:

 

[BreezeWood]

I absolutely believe that God hears every single of one of their cries of pain and horror that humans unnecessarily inflict upon them, and everyone will be held to account.

the same could be said about all the atrocities as written throughout all three desert bibles and those religions in general upon humanity.

the sabbath the heavens creation of life and hospitable planet earth to be kept holy is ignored by desert dwellers and their bibles claimed by them as a day of self indulgence is manifest in their concept of wildlife, garden earth used for their own selfish purposes than heavens intent as their greatest accomplishment.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

7.3K views · 449 reactions | Christian destroys vegans! | Danny Ishay

Christian destroys vegans!

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[ChristisKing]

I didn't know what thread to post this on, so I guess I'll post it here.

This guy does amazing short videos. So dang true, that this is human "logic"...

I don't eat veal so of course I don't want to see a calf being butchered in front of me.

 

[buttercup]

I don't eat veal so of course I don't want to see a calf being butchered in front of me.

That doesn't change the point....that people don't want to see the actual reality behind the "meat" on their plate. They don't want to see what takes place every day in those industries that don't care at all about the animals, they only care about making money.

And I don't think it can be denied that MANY people, especially those who love animals but are meat-eaters, purposely choose to not look at what takes place. In fact, they purposely choose to not look at videos of the killing in slaughterhouses, or videos exposing cruelty and abuse.... I think because deep down they know that if they were to actually look at it? They would then be morally responsible to make a decision, do I want to continue paying for that? So it's easier for a lot of people to use ignorance as an excuse, and to not look into it at all. But as that video above shows, it doesn't change the reality.

 

[ChristisKing]

That doesn't change the point....that people don't want to see the actual reality behind the "meat" on their plate. They don't want to see what takes place every day in those industries that don't care at all about the animals, they only care about making money.

And I don't think it can be denied that MANY people, especially those who love animals but are meat-eaters, purposely choose to not look at what takes place. In fact, they purposely choose to not look at videos of the killing in slaughterhouses, or videos exposing cruelty and abuse.... I think because deep down they know that if they were to actually look at it? They would then be morally responsible to make a decision, do I want to continue paying for that? So it's easier for a lot of people to use ignorance as an excuse, and to not look into it at all. But as that video above shows, it doesn't change the reality.

Okay then what do you say to people who don't like animals? You have me curious now.