Zone1 Is This of God, or the Devil?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Um, we're in Religion section, dude. Did you not notice that?

And I represent the Pastafarians.

 

[buttercup]

Admittedly, no but if they do it right like I was talking about then the animal would feel no pain. It would be as quick as it is to put your cat or dog to sleep so I don't really see the difference there or like with mouse traps. The chicken thing in the OP is messed up too. Just one chop off the head should be all it takes to end it before the animal suffers.

It's a fantasy (or ignorant) to think that animals in the animal industries don't go through fear, pain or suffering. Their entire lives before slaughter are filled with misery, pain and suffering. You have to do the research to learn about these things though, because you're definitely not going to hear the truth from those who want to make money from you.

Then when they DO go to slaughter, they know what is coming. Animals are much smarter than people think. They are perceptive. They can smell the blood, they can sense that it is a dangerous place.... in some cases they even see their fellow animals being slaughtered right in front of them. So they are terrified as they await their turn. You can see footage of that, they try to escape right before being slaughtered. They desperately try to get away and in many cases you can see them pleading for mercy with their eyes.

So no, the idea that farm animals live happy lives and it's all sunshine and rainbows and then they die easy painless deaths is a total fantasy. That is what the industries who want to make money from you want you to think.

 

[ChristisKing]

It's a fantasy (or ignorant) to think that animals in the animal industries don't go through fear, pain or suffering. Their entire lives before slaughter are filled with misery, pain and suffering. You have to do the research to learn about these things though, because you're definitely not going to hear the truth from those who want to make money from you.

Then when they DO go to slaughter, they know what is coming. Animals are much smarter than people think. They are perceptive. They can smell the blood, they can sense that it is a dangerous place.... in some cases they even see their fellow animals being slaughtered right in front of them. So they are terrified as they await their turn. You can see footage of that, they try to escape right before being slaughtered. They desperately try to get away and in many cases you can see them pleading for mercy with their eyes.

So no, the idea that farm animals live happy lives and it's all sunshine and rainbows and then they die easy painless deaths is a total fantasy. That is what the industries who want to make money from you want you to think.

That's not what I said as you're not listening. I've seen the proper way that you're supposed to put these animals down for slaughter and the animal dies almost instantly. You just have to have the shooter know what they're doing so they'll be dead before they feel any pain.

 

[buttercup]

That's not what I said as you're not listening. I've seen the proper way that you're supposed to put these animals down for slaughter and the animal dies almost instantly. You just have to have the shooter know what they're doing so they'll be dead before they feel any pain.

I understand what you're saying but what you're not hearing is that in these industries, profit is what matters, the animals are viewed as mere objects or commodities. And since time is money, the REALITY is that things move too fast to always be "proper"....So the time isn't taken to always make sure that things are done "properly", and a good portion of the time the animal is either fully conscious or partially conscious.

So you are speaking in a theoretical way, not in a realistic way.

And even IF what you want were to happen (which it doesn't) it is STILL not humane by definition because it is needlessly taking an innocent being's life against their will. By definition that is not humane.

 

[ChristisKing]

And even IF what you want were to happen (which it doesn't) it is STILL not humane by definition because it is needlessly taking an innocent being's life against their will. By definition that is not humane.

Have you ever had cats and or dogs you had to put to sleep?

 

[buttercup]

Have you ever had cats and or dogs you had to put to sleep?

No. I've had plenty of dogs and cats through the years, but I've never had to do that.

But that's apples and oranges anyway. In the animal industries, animals aren't gently put to sleep....they are needlessly and brutally killed, because someone wants to eat their dead body.

 

[ChristisKing]

No. I've had plenty of dogs and cats through the years, but I've never had to do that.

But that's apples and oranges anyway. In the animal industries, animals aren't gently put to sleep....they are needlessly and brutally killed, because someone wants to eat their dead body.

How is just one shot to the head by somebody who knows what they're doing a brutal way? Especially when the said animal is already unconscious?

 

[buttercup]

How is just one shot to the head by somebody who knows what they're doing a brutal way? Especially when the said animal is already unconscious?

You're not listening! I'm repeating myself now. Again, first of all, what you are talking about completely ignores the entire life span of the animal BEFORE slaughter, where they are typically caged, mutilated, and live a life of misery and suffering before the day of slaughter.

And AGAIN, what you are talking about is the ideal, which doesn't always happen. AGAIN, when profit is the goal, time is money and things move fast. When things move fast and they want to "process" as many animals as possible, do your really think they care to make sure that an animal is always stunned perfectly every time? Plus, that type of work sometimes attract sadistic sickos who intentionally abuse the animals in horrible ways.

And AGAIN, even IF it happens perfectly, it is still not humane by definition since taking the life of an innocent being against their will is not compassionate.

So AGAIN, you are speaking in a purely theoretical way, while ignoring the reality.

 

[buttercup]

Shameless plug. But since this is related to the topic, I'll post these vids.

I wanted to post the vertical reels from Instagram, but for some reason it doesn't embed here. The YouTube version doesn't embed vertically, so as always, it's best to put it in full screen mode and make sure it's in the highest quality.

 

[ChristisKing]

You're not listening! I'm repeating myself now. Again, first of all, what you are talking about completely ignores the entire life span of the animal BEFORE slaughter, where they are typically caged, mutilated, and live a life of misery and suffering before the day of slaughter.

And AGAIN, what you are talking about is the ideal, which doesn't always happen. AGAIN, when profit is the goal, time is money and things move fast. When things move fast and they want to "process" as many animals as possible, do your really think they care to make sure that an animal is always stunned perfectly every time? Plus, that type of work sometimes attract sadistic sickos who intentionally abuse the animals in horrible ways.

And AGAIN, even IF it happens perfectly, it is still not humane by definition since taking the life of an innocent being against their will is not compassionate.

So AGAIN, you are speaking in a purely theoretical way, while ignoring the reality.

Most people care about making sure that the animal isn't suffering. Again, isn't putting a cat or dog to sleep taking the life of an innocent animal against their will?

 

[buttercup]

Most people care about making sure that the animal isn't suffering. Again, isn't putting a cat or dog to sleep taking the life of an innocent animal against their will?

Oh my word. You really are living in a fantasy if that's what you believe. You clearly haven't done the research or understand the nature of these industries...that are all about PROFIT.

As for your question, I personally don't believe in doing that, except maybe in the most extreme cases where it is undeniably necessary. I think it happens WAY too often, so generally speaking I don't agree with that.

But again, that's apples and oranges. Animals in factory farms or other animal industries aren't gently put to sleep for necessary reasons. It is completely unnecessary and violent.

 

[BreezeWood]

who's kidding who - as per the mindless consumption of domestic "live stock" and the relentless absorption of natural habitat for ever multiplying humanity base primarily on false religions as the green lite for their egregious behavior.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

How is just one shot to the head by somebody who knows what they're doing a brutal way? Especially when the said animal is already unconscious?

"Charlie felt no pain"
According to Roadrunner, he was killed humanely

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Shameless plug. But since this is related to the topic, I'll post these vids.

I wanted to post the vertical reels from Instagram, but for some reason it doesn't embed here. The YouTube version doesn't embed vertically, so as always, it's best to put it in full screen mode and make sure it's in the highest quality.

Don't ever feel like you can't post your videos in my threads. They're always relevant. Your videos solidified my understanding of Biblical veganism not too many years ago. I was headed in this direction, but your videos added a lot to my understanding

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I asked the very basic question in the title of the thread. Nobody can bring themselves to actually come out and say, the things we do to His creatures has His approval and blessing. In your soul you KNOW this isn't from God, but you still insist on defending the indefensible

 

[Cougarbear]

You're completely ignoring God's very clear statement in Genesis 1:29. In fact, you casually dismiss that as if God hadn't even said that...when it's on the very first page of the Bible! You're completely dismissing God's ideal and true intent for all creation, as if that isn't important. In fact, you even mock it, with your dismissive sarcastic "blah blah blah" comment. You do you, but I believe that mocking God's true intent and ultimate plan is sad... and deeply wrong.

As for why people had flocks....meat isn't the only reason to keep sheep. I don't think the Bible goes into detail or specifics on shepherding in the pre-flood days. But my guess would be it was likely for wool. You don't have to kill sheep to produce wool.

Also, I'm sure you will roll your eyes at this (which again is sad) but the original purpose of animals was for companionship. They weren't created to be menu items, or mere resources for us to selfishly exploit. The problem is, MOST people view this topic from their modern-day carnist lens. When you look at everything through that lens, it's understandable that you interpret it in the way you do.




Abel's gift was not a sacrifice. It was an offering! If you look at Genesis 4:4 in the original language, the word translated to 'offering' means just that - a gift or offering. There is another word entirely for sacrifice. So if it actually was a sacrifice, it stands to reason that the word specifically for sacrifice would have been used. Animal sacrifice wasn't even introduced in the bible until many centuries later.

Furthermore, as I have said many times on other threads, animal sacrifice was never God's idea in the first place!

It was a pagan practice that had already been taking place in other cultures, by the time the bible officially talks about it. Some say it originated in Egypt, but there is evidence it was also taking place in other ancient pagan cultures.

Also, I don't want to get too off topic here, but according to the book of Enoch, animal sacrifice has a demonic origin. Just like with flesh eating, it is written that it started with the Nephilim...Similar to so many other evils of this world that were taught to humanity by the fallen angels and the Nephilim.

There are PLENTY of scriptures - namely from the prophets - that clearly state that God never wanted or liked animal sacrifice in the first place. There are a couple different theories on why it was allowed, I've talked about this on other threads. So I don't think I want to go into that in detail yet again.

But getting back to Abel's offering....again, the word used is OFFERING, and no where in the text does it say he killed an animal and handed God a bloody corpse. You also ignored what I wrote about Josephus' commentary on Abel's offering. Earlier on the thread you said "there's plenty of evidence" for meat eating before the flood. Since we already went over Abel's offering never mentioning killing or eating flesh, what else do you got to back up your claim?

The problem is you are adding words to Genesis 1:29 that are not there. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

No one is saying that anyone ate the animal that was sacrificed. But again, that doesn't mean those imperfect animals that were not sacrificial worthy were not used as food. Again, you are assuming this that doesn't exist and is simply silly since we all know mankind are built to be meat eaters. That's why your teeth have canines.

When was animal sacrifice given? Genesis 4 is proof that God instituted animal sacrifice with Adam and Eve. God accepted the animal sacrifice of Abel which means God did introduce this to Adam and Eve as their children did so too. There are no scriptures that say God didn't want or like animal sacrifices for it was a similitude of the only begotten of the Father God in the flesh, Jesus Christ future atonement sacrifice. It's why it was to be the firstling of the flock unblemished.

 

[ChristisKing]

"Charlie felt no pain"
According to Roadrunner, he was killed humanely

Charlie Kirk wasn't a pig. He was a human being. That was murder. That's completely different.

I asked the very basic question in the title of the thread. Nobody can bring themselves to actually come out and say, the things we do to His creatures has His approval and blessing. In your soul you KNOW this isn't from God, but you still insist on defending the indefensible

If God wasn't for the slaughtering of animals then why did He specifically state in the Bible that we could eat meat? I just don't think that animals should suffer like the practices being shown in this thread as to me that is Satanic.


Genesis 9:3 "Every moving thing that lives will be food for you."

 

[buttercup]

Don't ever feel like you can't post your videos in my threads. They're always relevant. Your videos solidified my understanding of Biblical veganism not too many years ago. I was headed in this direction, but your videos added a lot to my understanding

Thank you! That is genuinely great to hear, because knowing it makes a difference makes it worth it to take the time to make the videos, blog posts, etc.

I just wish I could be more consistent. I haven't uploaded anything in a couple months, mainly because I've been going through a few different trials...and haven't been in a creative mindset. But I really want to get back to making videos, so hopefully I'll be able to do that soon.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Oh my word. You really are living in a fantasy if that's what you believe. You clearly haven't done the research or understand the nature of these industries...that are all about PROFIT.

As for your question, I personally don't believe in doing that, except maybe in the most extreme cases where it is undeniably necessary. I think it happens WAY too often, so generally speaking I don't agree with that

Yes. And if it is necessary, you need to be there with your animal. They're aware of what's happening and they look for you. Vets have verified this

I had to do this for my cat Bob. He only lived 3 years. I stayed and laid my head next to his and petted him and told him I loved him the entire time. He understood

 

[ChristisKing]

Yes. And if it is necessary, you need to be there with your animal. They're aware of what's happening and they look for you. Vets have verified this

I had to do this for my cat Bob. He only lived 3 years. I stayed and laid my head next to his and petted him and told him I loved him the entire time. He understood

May I ask why he only lived such a short period of time? That's sad.