Zone1 Is This of God, or the Devil?

[buttercup]

We also give the collective finger to God who told Man what his job is regarding the animals. It is LITERALLY what He created us for

It's kind of mind-blowing to me how upside-down the whole thing became.

I never realized that in the past....it's as if I was blind to it. But now, as I've prayerfully studied this topic and thought a lot about it, the ONE JOB mankind was given was to take care of this physical world and God's beloved animals... AS IMAGE BEARERS OF GOD, which means in the way HE intended it, not us!

And clearly, as we can see in Genesis 1:29-30, His intention from the start was for all of creation to eat a non-violent plantbased diet, and for humans and animals to live together in peace and harmony.

So the ONE JOB we were given, we not only screwed up, but as you correctly stated, we basically gave God the collective finger by doing the exact opposite of what He created us and wanted us to do.

We (humanity) exploit the hell out of animals, we think of them as mere objects put here for US to do whatever the hell we want with. It's entirely selfish, self-serving, not to mention callous and cruel. As I've said before in posts and videos, it's the exact opposite of the type of "dominion" God intended.

I think one day Christians are going to be in for a big surprise, when they realize how upside-down we did things.

Ok, I better stop. I feel like I'm going on a rant here.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It's kind of mind-blowing to me how upside-down the whole thing became.

I never realized that in the past....it's as if I was blind to it. But now, as I've prayerfully studied this topic and thought a lot about it, the ONE JOB mankind was given was to take care of this physical world and God's beloved animals... AS IMAGE BEARERS OF GOD, which means in the way HE intended it, not us!

And clearly, as we can see in Genesis 1:29-30, His intention from the start was for all of creation to eat a non-violent plantbased diet, and for humans and animals to live together in peace and harmony.

So the ONE JOB we were given, we not only screwed up, but as you correctly stated, we basically gave God the collective finger by doing the exact opposite of what He created us and wanted us to do.

We (humanity) exploit the hell out of animals, we think of them as mere objects put here for US to do whatever the hell we want with. It's entirely selfish, self-serving, not to mention callous and cruel. As I've said before in posts and videos, it's the exact opposite of the type of "dominion" God intended.

I think one day Christians are going to be in for a big surprise, when they realize how upside-down we did things.

Ok, I better stop. I feel like I'm going on a rant here.

"I gave you ONE JOB to do -- just ONE JOB"

"See that you don't despise the least of My little ones"

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Again because this video explains the attitude of most of us

 

[Carl in Michigan]

When finding Neanderthal remains in caves, so too were the bones of wild animals that had cut marks on them. Since mankind crawled out of the trees, they've used meat as a source of protein.

Neanderthal isn't Adam

 

[Carl in Michigan]

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[Carl in Michigan]

There is no problem eating meat if you don't want to. Neither is there a problem with the Christian eating meat.

There is no loophole to find if the Christian wants to eat meat. God fed His people meat in the wilderness. Fed His priests from the animal sacrifices. Jesus ate fish with His disciples after His resurrection. Paul said if you have a problem eating meat offered to idols, don't ask. Just eat. If you want the Scriptures I will give them but it appears you believe them to be loopholes. Let me know.

You can be against any animal cruelty and still eat meat. But when you move into the arena of calling people selfish, or cruel, because they do, and try to level 'love for others' as a reason to not eat meat, you moved into false accusation territory. God has fed His people meat and has stated that everything that moves is given us to eat. (Gen. 9:3) "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."

Can't be more clear than that.

If I eat meat because I want to, there is no problem with that. You can carry your cruelty to animals crusade against methods of killing them. But not to eating them. It's hard to eat them when they are still alive.

How abut them animals we are supposed to love so much that we don't eat them? The carnivorous ones? I doubt they can survive without eating meat. I wonder why?

Quantrill

Jesus wasn't a meat eater. Neither were the apostles after receiving the Holy Spirit. Peter ate only BREAD and a few vegetables. Matthew ate lots of nuts and seeds (this is my diet). The others all appear to eat plants -- not meat.

God fed His people meat in the wilderness. Fed His priests from the animal sacrifices.

This has all been dealt with by Buttercup. God FORCED them to eat quail until "it was coming out their nostrils" BECAUSE they wouldn't stop bitching. Then GOD STRUCK THEM DEAD because they didn't appreciate the MIRACLE of manna

Jesus ate fish with His disciples after His resurrection.

Yes, as a Resurrected man He met with His disciples and, while He doesn't need to eat, He proved He wasn't a "ghost" by meeting them in THEIR terms. He ate a little fish.
You can learn more about WHY through this short article:

God has fed His people meat and has stated that everything that moves is given us to eat. (Gen. 9:3) "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things."

This was a covenant with NOAH, not you 4,000 years in the future. Noah landed on a desolate planet with no farms, no gardens, no orchards. You have the CHOICE to eat as they did in Eden. Yet you CHOOSE to eat like they did just before God destroyed the world.

Paul said if you have a problem eating meat offered to idols, don't ask. Just eat.

There is a lot in this excuse. Here is something that actually goes through this excuse. If you are open hearted, you'll read this short article on this topic

You can be against any animal cruelty and still eat meat.

No. You cannot. Your eggs cost the lives of every male chick. They are thrown into a meat grinder IMMEDIATELY after birth and fed to the adult egg layers. Look into how you get your milk. Where veal comes from. EVERY ASPECT of animal food production is NIGHTMARISHLY EVIL You really have no idea.

 

[Quantrill]

buttercup

The problem with your response to God giving meat to His people in the wilderness is that God had already declared all food was good for meat. (Gen. 9:3) You use the example of homosexuality and how God turns people over to their rejection of Him and their sins of lust. But all of that has always been declared by God as sinful. Eating meat was not. Instead, it was declared by God as good and from Him. Thus your example doesn't fly. No pun intended.

The sin of those in the wilderness was their constant complaining. Not their eating meat.

And, the account of the quail in (Ex. 16) and (Num. 11) are not about the same event. In (Ex. 16) there was no judgement from God given against the complaining. Whereas in (Num. 11) there was. In (Ex. 16) the people didn't have the manna miraculously provided for them. Whereas in (Num. 11) they had been complaining of just having the manna that God provided.

I have already said, I don't believe killing a hog is cruel for the purpose of eating it, as all meat is given by God to eat. I wouldn't kill a dog to eat unless starving and had no choice. Not because it is cruel, but because I don't prefer dog meat.

Is God cruel and wrong in giving all meat to man to eat?

Quantrill

 

[shockedcanadian]

It is difficult where I live to purchase kosher meat. It sometimes bothers me deeply that I avoid eating the meat I have to buy for a long time as it sits in the freezer. I accidentally bought a small roast thinking it was roast beef but it was pork. I wouldn't eat it but couldn't return it so I wasted my money.

We have turned the meat industry into such a cruel industry as it is all about profits and efficiency rather than humane killing. The costs to purchase more compassionate processes of animal meat deters people from buying it even if available unfortunately. It isn't available where I live so its difficult.

 

[Quantrill]

Carl in Michigan

(John 21:5) "Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

(John 21:9-10) "As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught."

(John 21:12-13) "Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine....Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise."

And this was the resurrected Christ. The disciples already knew it was Jesus. (John 21:7) (John 21:12) Eating the fish was not to prove that Jesus was Jesus. Their catch of fish at the obedience of Jesus instruction proved that. (John 21:6-7)

Paul said, (Col. 2:16), "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink...."

Yes, I can be against any animal cruelty and still eat meat. I don't quit eating eggs become some roosters were killed for food.

Quantrill

 

[DennisPTate]

What about the devil? If this is of "God", what is the devil? Connect the dots

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Former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm was shown a future where the relationship between animals and humans would be totally different than was the case back in 1985 when he had his brush with death.

[Howard Storm] :

5. The Future of the U.S. and the World​

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The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.

The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.

And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.

There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.

What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.

People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.

Animals lived with people, in harmony."
[Howard Storm]

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[ChristisKing]

I do wish that people would stop saying that Jesus wasn't a meat eater when the Bible doesn't support this. Also the eggs we eat have always been infertile.