Is there anything to actually be proud of the USA for?

[Dusty]

Texas is going no where fast, same as California.

Texas has the Permian Basis.

Oh an to the OP, yes there are plenty of things to be proud of just like there a plenty of things to be nos so proud.

Permian basin, and it's a dry cesspool of death where fish are going extinct because the lakes are drying up

 

[bendog]

I dunno. I think back to Michelle Obama's comment after Obama was elected and she said something about for the first time she was proud to be an American.

I just thought how sad that must be for her, but I doubt very much she really meant it literally so much as just a comment on ... finally breaking a unjust and unAmerican barrier. Yeah, the country was founded partially on slavery. Yeah, until the civil war amendments, the Fourth had no actual implication for blacks. And even until 1965 they didn't have close to equal rights. There's still institutionalized racism in that if you grow up without any money and without any decent schools it IS harder to move out of poverty if you're black than even latino.

But what about Frederick Douglas or MLKjr? Pride seems a sin to me, but I'm grateful for being in a country where they could have existed. Try that in Russia or China. They'd never have gotten noticed. Generations of black people fought in every war beginning with the Revolution. They volunteered for that. I respect the suffering of all the blacks who got shafted in the vietnam draft so white punks who run wall street and Trump and W and Biden didn't have to go.

Our failures and imperfections sort of show what's great about us and to be "proud" to live here. We have more ability to do what we want to do with our lives than anywhere else and ever before. And now for my favorite bicentennial message. As my father said, "you're the disappointment to our family. You're a liberal. You see a handicapped chicano when I see a crippled Mex"

 

[BlindBoo]

Texas is going no where fast, same as California.

Texas has the Permian Basis.

Oh an to the OP, yes there are plenty of things to be proud of just like there a plenty of things to be nos so proud.

Permian basin, and it's a dry cesspool of death where fish are going extinct because the lakes are drying up

Nah that all in New Mexico!

Seriously, it's a desert, mostly.

 

[kaz]

There is plenty to be proud of .As for the native American and other ethnic groups how and why they were treated is debatable. Some confuse Hollywood's version of historic events with facts. Be proud of the Constitution that was founded by imperfect humans and the journey this country has been on to the present. It is a great adventure.

the treatment of Native Americans isn't debatable at all. The US has not honored a single treaty with any Native American tribe.

We need to stop denying the truth about the bad deeds of our government and accept responsibility for them so we can hopefully move on .

The indians didnt exactly earn honorable treatment. They slaughtered everyone around them, including other indians.

That did happen, but to say that is descriptive of all Indians is ridiculous. They actually ran the gamut from violent to peaceful. And we sure didn't do much to inspire the peaceful ones

Were the settlers any different? They didnt form up war parties to hunt indians, they just grew crops and hunted for their families. The indians treated the settlers savagely for the most part, with some exceptions.

I have grown tired of the romanticized version of peaceful indians, while demonizing Americans. Our only crime was being culturally superior and winning the war. Yes, we were at war with indians and they lost. Tough shit.

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are.

I'd recommend reading a book that isn't so recent as they are pretty much all dominated by left wing politics

 

[Dusty]

There is plenty to be proud of .As for the native American and other ethnic groups how and why they were treated is debatable. Some confuse Hollywood's version of historic events with facts. Be proud of the Constitution that was founded by imperfect humans and the journey this country has been on to the present. It is a great adventure.

the treatment of Native Americans isn't debatable at all. The US has not honored a single treaty with any Native American tribe.

We need to stop denying the truth about the bad deeds of our government and accept responsibility for them so we can hopefully move on .

The indians didnt exactly earn honorable treatment. They slaughtered everyone around them, including other indians.

That did happen, but to say that is descriptive of all Indians is ridiculous. They actually ran the gamut from violent to peaceful. And we sure didn't do much to inspire the peaceful ones

Were the settlers any different? They didnt form up war parties to hunt indians, they just grew crops and hunted for their families. The indians treated the settlers savagely for the most part, with some exceptions.

I have grown tired of the romanticized version of peaceful indians, while demonizing Americans. Our only crime was being culturally superior and winning the war. Yes, we were at war with indians and they lost. Tough shit.

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are

The indians never wrote a book on indian history as they never had a real written language until the Europeans got here and taught them

 

[Godboy]

There is plenty to be proud of .As for the native American and other ethnic groups how and why they were treated is debatable. Some confuse Hollywood's version of historic events with facts. Be proud of the Constitution that was founded by imperfect humans and the journey this country has been on to the present. It is a great adventure.

the treatment of Native Americans isn't debatable at all. The US has not honored a single treaty with any Native American tribe.

We need to stop denying the truth about the bad deeds of our government and accept responsibility for them so we can hopefully move on .

The indians didnt exactly earn honorable treatment. They slaughtered everyone around them, including other indians.

That did happen, but to say that is descriptive of all Indians is ridiculous. They actually ran the gamut from violent to peaceful. And we sure didn't do much to inspire the peaceful ones

Were the settlers any different? They didnt form up war parties to hunt indians, they just grew crops and hunted for their families. The indians treated the settlers savagely for the most part, with some exceptions.

I have grown tired of the romanticized version of peaceful indians, while demonizing Americans. Our only crime was being culturally superior and winning the war. Yes, we were at war with indians and they lost. Tough shit.

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are.

I'd recommend reading a book that isn't so recent as they are pretty much all dominated by left wing politics

You need to listen to a historian.

 

[Godboy]

There is plenty to be proud of .As for the native American and other ethnic groups how and why they were treated is debatable. Some confuse Hollywood's version of historic events with facts. Be proud of the Constitution that was founded by imperfect humans and the journey this country has been on to the present. It is a great adventure.

the treatment of Native Americans isn't debatable at all. The US has not honored a single treaty with any Native American tribe.

We need to stop denying the truth about the bad deeds of our government and accept responsibility for them so we can hopefully move on .

The indians didnt exactly earn honorable treatment. They slaughtered everyone around them, including other indians.

That did happen, but to say that is descriptive of all Indians is ridiculous. They actually ran the gamut from violent to peaceful. And we sure didn't do much to inspire the peaceful ones

Were the settlers any different? They didnt form up war parties to hunt indians, they just grew crops and hunted for their families. The indians treated the settlers savagely for the most part, with some exceptions.

I have grown tired of the romanticized version of peaceful indians, while demonizing Americans. Our only crime was being culturally superior and winning the war. Yes, we were at war with indians and they lost. Tough shit.

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are

The indians never wrote a book on indian history as they never had a real written language until the Europeans got here and taught them

They hadnt even invented the wheel. These were violent primitive people.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

 

[Godboy]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

The ones who were extremely isolated would of course be peaceful. Who would they have to fight against? Most tribes would slaughter settlers on sight if they saw their wagons near their territory. They would kill women and children with glee and be proud of it after. They would take home human ******* trophies (scalps). These were demented people.

 

[kaz]

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are

The indians never wrote a book on indian history as they never had a real written language until the Europeans got here and taught them

And?

 

[bendog]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

The ones who were extremely isolated would of course be peaceful. Who would they have to fight against? Most tribes would slaughter settlers on sight if they saw their wagons near their territory. They would kill women and children with glee and be proud of it after. They would take home human ******* trophies (scalps). These were demented people.

That is not really the experiences recorded in journals of the oregon trail and other westward expansions. It certainly wasn't for my mother's forefathers in Neb and Kan. As Turtlesoup said, the further south.... although the tribes closer to the mexican border had been at war with mexico for generations.

 

[Godboy]

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are

The indians never wrote a book on indian history as they never had a real written language until the Europeans got here and taught them

And?

Indian history is frequently written by indians in the modern era, which can hardly be considered accurate.

 

[Godboy]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

The ones who were extremely isolated would of course be peaceful. Who would they have to fight against? Most tribes would slaughter settlers on sight if they saw their wagons near their territory. They would kill women and children with glee and be proud of it after. They would take home human ******* trophies (scalps). These were demented people.

That is not really the experiences recorded in journals of the oregon trail and other westward expansions. It certainly wasn't for my mother's forefathers in Neb and Kan. As Turtlesoup said, the further south.... although the tribes closer to the mexican border had been at war with mexico for generations.

Journals of the Oregon trail? The results of one group traveling through a territory once can hardly be considered the norm.

 

[kaz]

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are

The indians never wrote a book on indian history as they never had a real written language until the Europeans got here and taught them

And?

Indian history is frequently written by indians in the modern era, which can hardly be considered accurate.

Gotcha. Saying Indians were diverse is just bias

 

[Godboy]

There were peaceful and violent on both sides. And I didn't demonize Americans. What you said wasn't historically accurate

Which part wasnt accurate?

You said that all Indians were violent. They weren't all violent. Most of them were not

The **** they werent. No one was "peaceful" back in those days. Peaceful groups were quickly wiped out wherever they existed in the world, with few exceptions.

You should read a book on Indian history, it's fascinating how diverse Indian groups were.

They weren't all the same like Joe Biden says blacks are

The indians never wrote a book on indian history as they never had a real written language until the Europeans got here and taught them

And?

Indian history is frequently written by indians in the modern era, which can hardly be considered accurate.

Gotcha. Saying Indians were diverse is just bias

The indians were anything but diverse. Unless you knew the nuances of their face paints and whatnot, they looked identical. They all had the same technology, hunting techniques. Everything was the same. Were there some tribes that were more peaceful than others? Yeah, sure, but they were mostly savages who slaughtered everyone around them, including other tribes.

 

[easyt65]

Genuine question. Seems the US has done a lot of bad stuff, from meddling unasked in foreign affairs to its treatment of indigenous peoples. (Even the very, very conservative curriculum that was used for history class when I was in school acknowledged that we treated native Americans horribly.)
I want to genuinely know, is there anything I can be proud of my country for this independence day? (I'm at least happy that we're not socialist or communist.)

If you have to ask you are an idiot.
The fact that you CAN ask answers your own question.
If you have to ask you have never really been outside of the US much.
If you have to ask you aren't keeping up with the news much.

There are currently 2 immigrants in the United States who have / who are making pretty big news. One is from North Korea, One lived through a purge and transition to a Communist nation. Both say they recognize whatwe are going through right now because it is the initial stages of shat they have already lived through, experienced, and escaped to come here.

Both have declared the massive instigation of division based on ignorance and misinformation, Marxist indoctrination / teaching, intolerance / beginning of Censorship free / opposing speech and ideas, etc.. that is happening now is how it starts and only gets worse if allowed.

They both escaped and came here because the US is 'the greatest nation in the world', offering the most freedom and opportunity....which is being threatened now.

A black woman becomes a federal politician then uses her position to attack and condemn the government. Where these immigrants came from this black politician s would never have been allowed to run for office...they would not have been allowed to speak out against the govt,...and if she did so she would be sent to a 're-education camp' or simply killed. In China political dissidents/enemies are sometimes sent to camps where their organs would be harvested. According to one article I read from a former refugee from China the individual's family member was taken away due to speaking out against the CCP - the individual was shot, and the family was forced to pay for the cost of the bullet.

Individuals raging against the United States suffer from ignorance, being misled/indoctrinated and a complete lack of perspective. We had a black President, have a Black VP, and the major antagonists who demonized the US over this last Independence holiday were black millionaire members of Congress whoclaim oppression and racism keeps blacks 'down'.

Really?

Don't be a sheep.

 

[bendog]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

The ones who were extremely isolated would of course be peaceful. Who would they have to fight against? Most tribes would slaughter settlers on sight if they saw their wagons near their territory. They would kill women and children with glee and be proud of it after. They would take home human ******* trophies (scalps). These were demented people.

That is not really the experiences recorded in journals of the oregon trail and other westward expansions. It certainly wasn't for my mother's forefathers in Neb and Kan. As Turtlesoup said, the further south.... although the tribes closer to the mexican border had been at war with mexico for generations.

Journals of the Oregon trail? The results of one group traveling through a territory once can hardly be considered the norm.

Well, besides those, all you have is second hand imaginings.

 

[Godboy]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

The ones who were extremely isolated would of course be peaceful. Who would they have to fight against? Most tribes would slaughter settlers on sight if they saw their wagons near their territory. They would kill women and children with glee and be proud of it after. They would take home human ******* trophies (scalps). These were demented people.

That is not really the experiences recorded in journals of the oregon trail and other westward expansions. It certainly wasn't for my mother's forefathers in Neb and Kan. As Turtlesoup said, the further south.... although the tribes closer to the mexican border had been at war with mexico for generations.

Journals of the Oregon trail? The results of one group traveling through a territory once can hardly be considered the norm.

Well, besides those, all you have is second hand imaginings.

No, i literally have the reports from historians. I just posted a couple videos. You should watch them.

 

[kaz]

Godboy The indians varied...generally speaking...............Indians were less agressive the further north and eastern you go...as you head more southern and western--they became more and more violent and awful.

The ones who were extremely isolated would of course be peaceful. Who would they have to fight against? Most tribes would slaughter settlers on sight if they saw their wagons near their territory. They would kill women and children with glee and be proud of it after. They would take home human ******* trophies (scalps). These were demented people.

That is not really the experiences recorded in journals of the oregon trail and other westward expansions. It certainly wasn't for my mother's forefathers in Neb and Kan. As Turtlesoup said, the further south.... although the tribes closer to the mexican border had been at war with mexico for generations.

Journals of the Oregon trail? The results of one group traveling through a territory once can hardly be considered the norm.

Well, besides those, all you have is second hand imaginings.

No, i literally have the reports from historians. I just posted a couple videos. You should watch them.

I watched the video and it didn't contradict anything I said. I didn't say there weren't violent Indians, I said they weren't all the same. The video didn't say they were

 

[WEATHER53]

good lord, all you anti-America naysayers are depressing

Obviously anyone who disagrees with you is "anti-American."

Actually, that is anti-American

Agreed, so is wanting everyone who even slightly criticizes the US to leave.

Of course, no one is saying that. THat you had to lie about what people ARE saying, shows that you know you are on the wrong side.

.....have you read this thread? Again. Multiple. People. Have said either that I should pack my bags and leave, or that I don't deserve to live here if I had to ask the question posed in this thread. I will go back and quote posts if I have to.

You lefttards are not "slightly criticizing" the us. YOu are rabid anti-American assholes. With all due respect.

You're making broad sweeping assumptions about me based on, what? I have said nothing like what you are implying. I would thank you not to put words in my mouth.

Is America systemically racist?

We have a race who systemically get themselves into jackpots and then blame others for it.