JakeStarkey
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An atheist's argument is simply non-empirical and non-rationalistic.
Atheist's argue from faith, nothing else.
Atheist's argue from faith, nothing else.
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Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?
In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...
Your thoughts, please.
Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?
In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...
Your thoughts, please.
Being an all powerful being, if he want you to know he exists he will let you know in his way. Nothing Man can do can change that
I believe that just about anyone can become a believer, if the right person talks to them. You wouldn't want to approach a man with a PhD in Astronomy, and try to tell him that the world is flat. Trying to convince a geologist that that world is 6,000 years young, and flat (some actually say they're not convinced that it's round) would be an exercise in futility. And a Paleontologist is also going to tell you where stick it, when you try to preach to her that Earth is 6,000 years old, and that human beings rode dinosaurs like horses.
It's all in the delivery.
Oh for crying out loud that's man made. Run with the hummingbird will ya? you have a better chance.
Yes.
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Oh for crying out loud that's man made. Run with the hummingbird will ya? you have a better chance.
This may be a first, but I'm siding with Toro over tinydancer!
I owe Toro a rep when I get my ability back.
Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?
In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...
Your thoughts, please.
No argument will change an unbeliever's mind. Believers and unbelievers were chosen by our Creator to participate in a saint's gospel. Believers will believe some things that we saints preach but unbelievers won't believe and they reject us. This is all done by our Creator's design, not by something His created "beings" decide to do.
I believe that just about anyone can become a believer, if the right person talks to them. You wouldn't want to approach a man with a PhD in Astronomy, and try to tell him that the world is flat. Trying to convince a geologist that that world is 6,000 years young, and flat (some actually say they're not convinced that it's round) would be an exercise in futility. And a Paleontologist is also going to tell you where stick it, when you try to preach to her that Earth is 6,000 years old, and that human beings rode dinosaurs like horses.
It's all in the delivery.
In order to be a believer and a scientist, one must be able to understand that science is based on evidence and belief in God is based on faith. You can accept both on their own merits. This whole argument makes me think of my MIL. She would say, 'which is better, my potato salad or Aunt Hilda's?' There was not in between for her. But I could, and did, like them both. She found that to be most disagreeable because she HAD to be the best. I think the world is full of 'either or' people like her. It is this way OR it is that way. It can't be this way and I believe there is more to it than we know and can prove at present.
Personally, I don't think the universe is divided into 'natural and supernatural.' I believe they are on a continuum, and the supernatural are merely things we have not yet been able to explain empirically. Even Florence Nightingale, the founder of modern nursing and a statistician par excellence, did not believe in Germ Theory. But now we can see bacteria and even viruses with magnification. Do you ever hear anyone argue with Germ Theory?
Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?
In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...
Your thoughts, please.
Is there any sound argument for God's existence? Things like the cosmological argument, the design argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from religious experience, the moral argument, the "five ways", and so on?
In continental philosophy, it is widely assumed that the attempt to argue for God's existence is pointless and has been ruled out since Kant. But in analytic philosophy, the debate goes on with increasingly technical arguments...
Your thoughts, please.
No argument will change an unbeliever's mind. Believers and unbelievers were chosen by our Creator to participate in a saint's gospel. Believers will believe some things that we saints preach but unbelievers won't believe and they reject us. This is all done by our Creator's design, not by something His created "beings" decide to do.
This is all done by our Creator's design, not by something His created "beings" decide to do.
I'm slightly curious Saint Brad if you believe there is a Spirit ?
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I believe that just about anyone can become a believer, if the right person talks to them. You wouldn't want to approach a man with a PhD in Astronomy, and try to tell him that the world is flat. Trying to convince a geologist that that world is 6,000 years young, and flat (some actually say they're not convinced that it's round) would be an exercise in futility. And a Paleontologist is also going to tell you where stick it, when you try to preach to her that Earth is 6,000 years old, and that human beings rode dinosaurs like horses.
It's all in the delivery.
In order to be a believer and a scientist, one must be able to understand that science is based on evidence and belief in God is based on faith. You can accept both on their own merits. This whole argument makes me think of my MIL. She would say, 'which is better, my potato salad or Aunt Hilda's?' There was not in between for her. But I could, and did, like them both. She found that to be most disagreeable because she HAD to be the best. I think the world is full of 'either or' people like her. It is this way OR it is that way. It can't be this way and I believe there is more to it than we know and can prove at present.
Personally, I don't think the universe is divided into 'natural and supernatural.' I believe they are on a continuum, and the supernatural are merely things we have not yet been able to explain empirically. Even Florence Nightingale, the founder of modern nursing and a statistician par excellence, did not believe in Germ Theory. But now we can see bacteria and even viruses with magnification. Do you ever hear anyone argue with Germ Theory?
The supernatural in my view is what lays permanently beyond science's ability to explain naturalistically.