Zone1 Is there a reason besides desiring voter fraud/cheating to NOT have Voter ID?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You had to show an ID at the bank to get one, dumbass!

Because widespread debit card fraud is a real thing. Significant in person voter fraud is not.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Russian Times will be the only ones who will be happy.

Most Americans should be horrified that our enemy is cheering Trump's win.

Putin endorsed Cackles! What does that tell you? All the Dems claim Putin and Trump are gay lovers!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Maybe they don't have 35 bucks to throw around every time they have to move.
Maybe they don't carry their ID around with them.

I could think of a dozen maybes why you might not have an ID on voting day.

But here's the thing. If you are on the voter rolls, this shouldn't be a problem. You tell them who you are and where you live. This is what we do in IL and it works just fine.





Nobody made that argument... but you keep beating up that straw man.

You know damned well Voter ID is a scheme to disenfranchise poor people.


And it continued in the form of Debt Peonage until 1942. Try educating yourself.

That kept poor people from voting, not just blacks, so it was not slavery in your misguided thinking.

 

[Couchpotato]

Irrelevant. New circumstances have arisen.

To wit, a bunch of elected officials lying about epection fraud and election security, led by a man and his cult that tried to criminally and violently defraud the country and its voters in 2021.

Obviously that's the priority.

It's not irrelevant. Those issues aren't even remotely related.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Stop being disingenous. You know very well the whole notion of voter suppression against the poor is about race.



Okay, since you said so... I haven't been carded since the 1980s at a bar or a liquor store. So what you are already admitting is that voter ID will be applied discriminatorily. They won't card everyone because they won't have time. So I imagine down in Jesusland, Cleetus and Billy Bob will be waived right through while the person of color will have his ID checked and double checked.

How do they do every single voter in every state that requires ID? I have voted in 4 different states and had to show ID in every single one. Why did I wait in line for 25 minutes to vote and they checked every ID.

You are simply full of shit on just about every topic. Aren't you ashamed of yourself for being so stupid?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, actually he didn't. He got about the same percentage of black voters he got in 2020 (He did a little better with men and a lot worse with women). He actually lost ground with white people (-2 for men, -3 with women). Where he did do better was with Hispanics and Asians. All of which is kind of moot, as a lot less people voted this time.



Guy, you can't call everything you don't like as "Nazi"> DEI is pretty much the opposite of "Nazi". Nazis weren't for diversity, they were for racial purity. Just like Trump supporters.

I like how you start with a lie and then go downhill from there.

Yeah, just like those Trump supporters who voted in a black Senator from SC, a Catholic VP like Vance, and Trump named the first female chief of Staff, has nominated women to numerous high level Cabinet posts, etc. Yep! Racial purity is where it's at!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I can’t think of any logical reason why any US voter would oppose a requirement of validating their ID to vote.

Are any USMB leftists/Democrats able to do so? Your party always fights it, and many of your states don’t require it. It’s a leftist position (and a radical one, way out there in left field. Pretty much All other countries require it.)

Ignorance believing that poor people aren’t smart enough to garner one

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's not irrelevant. Those issues aren't even remotely related.

They are, because the new laws being proposed are proposed with the intent of suppressing voter turnout. As has been revealed many times.

So, not one inch given, until the liars and the cultists apologize for their lies.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ignorance believing that poor people aren’t smart enough to garner one

That has nothing to do with anything. Since there is no evidence ever of any significant in.person voter fraud, even the possibility of disenfrachising voters is enough to say no, really.

 

[Couchpotato]

They are, because the new laws being proposed are proposed with the intent of suppressing voter turnout. As has been revealed many times.

? LOL no they havent. Most if not all these laws have a free state provided ID to anyone who doesnt have a license provision in them.

So, not one inch given, until the liars and the cultists apologize for their lies.

Again not related. You just look dumber than usual acting like they are.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That has nothing to do with anything. Since there is no evidence ever of any significant in.person voter fraud, even the possibility of disenfrachising voters is enough to say no, really.

It’s just common sense. We should have it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LOL no they havent.

And here is where our discussion ends. This is why ya can't talk to a cultist about things.

Come back when you are attached to a baseline of reality.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It’s just common sense. We should have it.

It's also common sense not to implement solutions for problems that don't exist, if they will have negative consequences.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It's also common sense not to implement solutions for problems that don't exist.

Being proactive is perfectly fine. Make it so. I am for voter ID

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Being proactive is perfectly fine.

Not when the problem does not exist, and when the solution has negative consequences.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I live in the real world. The one were I see black folks being pulled over by the cops for shits and grins frequently.



Nope, I blame the guy who supported police brutality, ended attempts to reform police departments, canceled all the consent decrees the DOJ entered into with troubled police departments, and actively encouraged police brutality. That would be Trump.



No, the horrible people were the police officers who shot kids 16 times, choked a man for 9 minutes, shot a man when he was in his living room, shot a woman in her bed on a false warrant, shot a man in the back and then planted a taser on him, pulled over a girl for a minor traffic infraction, and slammed her head into the ground... well, the list could go on.

Black people got fed up, and rightfully so.

Here's a crazy idea, instead of waiting for black people to get fed up enough to riot, let's actually FIX THE PROBLEMS when they are pointed out.

How do you know why they were pulled over? This is just another in your unending series of lies.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not when the problem does not exist, and when the solution has negative consequences.

I do not see any negative consequences. Zero in fact. And it takes away from the stolen rhetoric

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My privilege is that my mother was married

But was she married to your father? That is the question!

So sorry! just kidding! I just couldn't resist!

"Don't call me sir! I'm a sergeant! My parents were married! To each other!"

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is easy to fake an ID
Hard to fake a signature

Show there is a problem before you demand a solution

That depends pretty much on the signature.

My wife can fake my signature but only after 42 years of practice. My daughter cannot fake mine, but I can hers because her's sucks so badly.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do we have experts in identifying a fake ID
It is extremely difficult to fake a signature on the spot without something to copy

What does an ID show?

If people are voting in someone else’s name, there will be a big stink when that person shows up and is told he already voted

Doesn’t happen

It happened a large number of times during COVID when people showed up to vote and were told they already voted by absentee or by mail.