Zone1 Is there a reason besides desiring voter fraud/cheating to NOT have Voter ID?

[Couchpotato]

You miss the point, Potato.

The problem with voter ID is that if it catches 1 fraudulent voter but makes it harder for 100 legitimate voters to vote, then it's simply not a good deal.

Unless stopping those 100 legitimate voters was always the point.

Having to roll out of bed in order to vote is "harder", as is filling out the registration forms, or mailing it or doing anything for that matter. Having an ID is a bar so low you could only stub your toe on it if you were dragging your feet. What if in the bill to require voter ID you are issued said photo ID free of charge when you register to vote? Then the only "inconvenience" is remembering to stick the fucking thing in your pocket when you go to vote. Would you still be opposed to it?

 

[Couchpotato]

Can you explain what voter fraud you are looking at?

What exactly is being done fraudulently that an ID would stop?

Can you answer the question? Would requiring an ID make it easier or harder for a person to vote fraudulently?

 

[Couchpotato]

Can you explain what voter fraud you are looking at?

What exactly is being done fraudulently that an ID would stop?

If no one is voting fraudulently, and the ID is provided to the voter when they register free of charge what exactly is your opposition to the requirement?

 

[rightwinger]

Can you answer the question? Would requiring an ID make it easier or harder for a person to vote fraudulently?

Not unless you can show that people are actually voting fraudulently

You can’t and it is easy to prove

 

[rightwinger]

If no one is voting fraudulently, and the ID is provided to the voter when they register free of charge what exactly is your opposition to the requirement?

My opposition is

1. It is not necessary
2. Not everyone has an ID that Republicans will accept

Voter ID will be a tool to pick out those without an ID that meets their criteria and Republicans will reject IDs from groups they don’t want to vote……Students, minorities, urban residents

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can’t think of any logical reason why any US voter would oppose a requirement of validating their ID to vote.

Are any USMB leftists/Democrats able to do so? Your party always fights it, and many of your states don’t require it. It’s a leftist position (and a radical one, way out there in left field. Pretty much All other countries require it.)

Yes there is a reason.

Not.one inch should be conceded.on any such election security law, until the GOP officials who lied about the 2020 epection come out and apolologize for lying and fooling millions of gullible idiots.

Not one inch.

 

[Couchpotato]

My opposition is

1. It is not necessary
2. Not everyone has an ID that Republicans will accept

Voter ID will be a tool to pick out those without an ID that meets their criteria and Republicans will reject IDs from groups they don’t want to vote……Students, minorities, urban residents

It's PROVIDED TO THE VOTER WHEN THEY REGISTER, so all the bullshit excuses have now been taken away do you still oppose it? It would literally be impossible to register to vote without getting the ID so all you have to do is show the ID at the polls when you vote. You're only opposition to this is that someone with an R next to their name came up with the idea.

 

[Couchpotato]

Yes there is a reason.

Not.one inch should be conceded.on any such election security law, until the GOP officials who lied about the 2020 epection come out and apolologize for lying and fooling millions of gullible idiots.

Not one inch.

the proposal for the ID requirement predates any of that by a decade or more.

 

[Lastamender]

Guy, Trump only got 2 million more votes than he did last time. Probalby less than that.

There wasn't so much massive turnout as there was 'We aren't feeling it" with Kamala.

Trump is your next president. Deal with it. It is what Americans want.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, protecting the right to vote.

We have a long history of voter suppression with schemes such as Poll Taxes and Literacy Tests.

The people least likely to have up to date ID are more likely to be poor or marginalized communities.

Are you giving free lessons in ancient history? How about some modern history? In states where voter ID is not required, there is a much higher probability of voter fraud.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

$47 here in Oregon for an ID Card ... $64 for a driver's license ... Real ID™ would be extra ... we don't check immigration status for state-issued IDs here, so what good is ID for voting ... the workaround is requiring a valid US Passport to vote ...

Good luck with that ...

Blue state. Why do your IDs cost so much? Can't you fix that problem for the poor who just want to vote?

Do you not check immigration status before registering to vote? An ID would be worthless if they were not registered to vote, so it works.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Seniors in assisted living facilities rarely own vehicles, driver licenses, or any other form of ID. My mother lived in one of these places for 18 months and didn`t have a purse, wallet or anything else because she didn`t need it. The facility she was in, knew who she was. Why are you afraid of seniors voting? Over 800,000 seniors live in these places and app 50% of them are 85 years old or older.

She can vote by absentee ballot.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A large percentage of them will be deceased before then, so staying alive is a higher priority for them than voting. How are they supposed to learn about these resources that you claim are set up for them? For too many of them, their families are living in different states. For the record, my wife has been an RN for 40 years, but she no longer works in hospitals.

Then they should request the families help in voting if they want. They aren't dead.

 

[August West]

She can vote by absentee ballot.

Do 80 year olds in assisted living know how to get an absentee ballot? Do they know that they exist?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

the proposal for the ID requirement predates any of that by a decade or more.

Irrelevant. New circumstances have arisen.

To wit, a bunch of elected officials lying about epection fraud and election security, led by a man and his cult that tried to criminally and violently defraud the country and its voters in 2021.

Obviously that's the priority.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Certain people groups have a difficult time obtaining state government IDs...

Those who do not drive....
Those who live in big cities with lots of public transportation tend not to need a driver's license....

But then as well there are illegal aliens....welll....errr....they aren't supposed to vote.

Getting an ID is far easier than getting a driver's license.

 

[August West]

Then they should request the families help in voting if they want. They aren't dead.

The families in a lot of cases are living in different states or they may be dead and people in nursing homes are often forgotten by their loser families. I recall how depressing it was when we visited our mother in one of these places. Many of the residents would prefer death.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

For whatever reason sarcastic comments don't seem to be understood.

I use [/sarcasm] at the end of my post if I am being sarcastic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You first
Explain how people are sneaking in to vote for someone else
Doesn’t happen

You stop more legitimate voters than you will ever prevent

Voter intimidation

They walk in with no ID, say they are someone else who is registered and then vote! How f-ing hard is that?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I've never had anyone ask me for an ID when using my debit card.

None of these things are rights. Voting is.

You had to show an ID at the bank to get one, dumbass!