Is the culture war new?

[frigidweirdo]

about the same as totalitarian centralized slavery

Flippin' 'ell.

I think we're done then.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Nobody knows what it is, somebody can say that communism is a cucumber-cherry cocktail. I'm talking about the Marx system.

And what, pray tell, is "the Marx system"?

 

[rupol2000]

There was not only communism in principle, but also communism in private manifestations. For example, there was the implementation of the communist principle "to each according to his needs." If workers were given individual housing instead of settling in barracks (long houses), this would be an excess of the needs necessary for productive labor (production costs). The interpretation of needs as arbitrary desires of the worker is incorrect and absurd, this is just populism)

 

[rupol2000]

And what, pray tell, is "the Marx system"?

This is the system that Marx designed. A system that adapts slavery to modern conditions

 

[frigidweirdo]

This is the system that Marx designed. A system that adapts slavery to modern conditions

Any choice quotes from Marx about this?

 

[rupol2000]

The communal system was not really invented to improve friendships. Just common use reduces the cost of keeping slaves. Likewise, in a pigsty, each pig is not prepared a separate dish and the like.

 

[rupol2000]

Any choice quotes from Marx about this?

I do not remember specific quotes, this is the essence of his sermon. You can read it yourself

 

[frigidweirdo]

I do not remember specific quotes, this is the essence of his sermon. You can read it yourself

Sigh.

So, you believe you know what something is, but you can't actually show it at all. You can't find any evidence for it.

Your argument is nothing.

I can't be bothered dude. This is a waste of time.

 

[rupol2000]

Sigh.

So, you believe you know what something is, but you can't actually show it at all. You can't find any evidence for it.

Your argument is nothing.

I can't be bothered dude. This is a waste of time.

Proof of the book of Marxists and their system. But you need to understand it, for this you need to understand the economy.

 

[rupol2000]

I am trying to explain it on my fingers, but you cannot understand this either. For example, if to everyone according to his needs would mean to everyone according to his wishes, then how could we satisfy John's desire to fuck Elizabeth Taylor? She's already dead.

 

[rupol2000]

Suppose we would consider it possible to satisfy John's desire to kill a certain Peter, but then we will lose Peter's working hands, and these are unplanned production costs, what should we do? Should we allow this to be done in the next five-year period?

 

[rupol2000]

But if we do not invent, but read what is written by tongue-tied Marx, then we understand that he meant that the pig needs 2 kg of compound feed per day, the rest of the compound feed will not be absorbed, regardless of whether the pig wants it or not, this is not will give an increase in live weight. This means that the pig needs 2 kilograms and no more. And to each pig according to its needs, according to our goals. To underfeed it is also impractical.

 

[YoursTruly]

I'm massively confused. You think feudal times was Communism or Socialism?

Care to tell me what you think Communism and Socialism are? Because I know what they are.

Neither are they a republic. Period. End of friggin story. They're not even a democracy.

Socialism:

• A way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.

Communism:

• A way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property.

Key word in this is the GOVERNMENT doing the organizing (amongst other things). Which is enslaving the people (without using the word slavery). Both of these forms of governing can be propagandized as "The government doing what is necessary for the people." In fact, if the citizens are dumb enough, they could even say just about anything and get away with it.
In a Republic (which we don't have anymore since the lobbyist took over), "We the people" would be doing what's best for "we the people." And the government would just be a back up to ensure victims are granted justice. Under a true Republic, ran by actual conservatives (Not the Trump, McConnell, Ryan republicans pretending to be actual conservatives), there'd be no lobbyist and corporate kickbacks to politicians.

 

[YoursTruly]

Sigh.

So, you believe you know what something is, but you can't actually show it at all. You can't find any evidence for it.

Your argument is nothing.

I can't be bothered dude. This is a waste of time.

Why take his word for it? Research it and prove him wrong, or learn something. Knowledge is the key to no looking stupid.
Example: How die hard Trump supporters look after Trump didn't "lock her up, banned bump stocks, didn't force Mexico to pay for the wall, funded planned parenthood and didn't even try to balance the budget."

Marxism will never happen in this country, in our lifetime. But there are things that the left is pushing that closely resemble it. And minor forms of it being implemented.

• The political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx especially a theory and practice of socialism (see socialism sense 3 ) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism , the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.

Obviously there are some similarities between socialism and Marxism. So when the "class warfare" thing happens, it's not bringing the ones at the bottom (poor people) up, it's bringing those at (just below) the top down. The ones at the very top, will remain there.
Equalizing peoples social and economic class, will ultimately make people lazy.
Example: Why would a doctor go through 10 years of college, only to be equal to someone who flips burgers?

 

[rupol2000]

Example: Why would a doctor go through 10 years of college, only to be equal to someone who flips burgers?

Everything is simple here. No one will ask who you want to be, In communism there is no market distribution of labor fond, everything is according to plan.

Although a doctor for the Bolsheviks is more likely their own person, he would be placed in the elite, because this is direct control over the population.

Moreover, in Marxism, the measure of the value of labor is time. Therefore, an hour of pure work of a loader will cost the same as the work of a hamburger baker.

 

[YoursTruly]

Everything is simple here. No one will ask who you want to be, In communism there is no market distribution of labor fond, everything is according to plan.

The governments plan. Slavery and force.

Although a doctor for the Bolsheviks is more likely their own person, he would be placed in the elite, because this is direct control over the population.

Control. Slavery and force

Moreover, in Marxism, the measure of the value of labor is time. Therefore, an hour of pure work of a loader will cost the same as the work of a hamburger baker.

The ONLY way to make Marxism work is to do away with money all together. Would be beneficial in many many ways, there would also be a lot of drawbacks.
I've thought about this "moneyless society" in depth. To the point that I was writing a book about it. But turns out, there's already a lot of books about it, so I stopped writing.
One of my biggest reasons for supporting a moneyless society is the simple fact that the government can't control the population without taxes, fines or their own currency.

In a perfect world, a moneyless society would be a real utopia. But humans, being what they are, would screw it up, and too many would go looking to the government to fix the problem. Which leads us back to government controlling everything.

 

[rupol2000]

The ONLY way to make Marxism work is to do away with money all together. Would be beneficial in many many ways, there would also be a lot of drawbacks.

Money is not needed there by default. The amount of goods consumed can be measured in your working hours, but most likely the goods would also be issued on a directive basis, because spontaneous consumption cannot be planned in advance

 

[rupol2000]

Not even most likely, but for sure, because otherwise planning will not work. A Bolshevik must always know in advance what kind of product to produce and what production capacity to deploy for it. If he does not know consumption, he cannot plan production either.
So everyone has a fixed size food ration and everyone gets their shoes once a year, that's the only way it will work

 

[rupol2000]

In fact, this is not even just slavery, but super slavery, because not all slaves in history were so constrained in their choice as in the communist Marxist system. In various systems, slaves had some property rights and could choose from some household items.

 

[danielpalos]

In fact, this is not even just slavery, but super slavery, because not all slaves in history were so constrained in their choice as in the communist Marxist system. In various systems, slaves had some property rights and could choose from some household items.

Only because it requires social morals for free not capital morals for a market friendly price.