Is the culture war new?

[rupol2000]

Only because it requires social morals for free not capital morals for a market friendly price.

I do not know what "social moral" is, I try to help those whom I love and value, I wish death to enemies and villains, and this is normal. I have no idea about Christian or communist moral principles, this is deeply alien to me.

 

[rupol2000]

There is no morality, because morality cannot contradict rightness. This is pseudo-moral

 

[danielpalos]

I do not know what "social moral" is, I try to help those whom I love and value, I wish death to enemies and villains, and this is normal. I have no idea about Christian or communist moral principles, this is deeply alien to me.

It is the reason capitalism seems to work better because of the market based metrics.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Neither are they a republic. Period. End of friggin story. They're not even a democracy.

Socialism:

• A way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.

Communism:

• A way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property.

Key word in this is the GOVERNMENT doing the organizing (amongst other things). Which is enslaving the people (without using the word slavery). Both of these forms of governing can be propagandized as "The government doing what is necessary for the people." In fact, if the citizens are dumb enough, they could even say just about anything and get away with it.
In a Republic (which we don't have anymore since the lobbyist took over), "We the people" would be doing what's best for "we the people." And the government would just be a back up to ensure victims are granted justice. Under a true Republic, ran by actual conservatives (Not the Trump, McConnell, Ryan republicans pretending to be actual conservatives), there'd be no lobbyist and corporate kickbacks to politicians.

The Socialism part is right, it's about the means of production being controlled directly by the state.

Communism is when society is communal. All people are equal, there is no state, there is no money etc.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why take his word for it? Research it and prove him wrong, or learn something. Knowledge is the key to no looking stupid.
Example: How die hard Trump supporters look after Trump didn't "lock her up, banned bump stocks, didn't force Mexico to pay for the wall, funded planned parenthood and didn't even try to balance the budget."

Marxism will never happen in this country, in our lifetime. But there are things that the left is pushing that closely resemble it. And minor forms of it being implemented.

• The political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx especially a theory and practice of socialism (see socialism sense 3 ) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism , the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.

Obviously there are some similarities between socialism and Marxism. So when the "class warfare" thing happens, it's not bringing the ones at the bottom (poor people) up, it's bringing those at (just below) the top down. The ones at the very top, will remain there.
Equalizing peoples social and economic class, will ultimately make people lazy.
Example: Why would a doctor go through 10 years of college, only to be equal to someone who flips burgers?

Because I need to know the person I'm talking to is going to take the conversation seriously enough for me to bother. He couldn't be bothered, so I ended the conversation.

 

[Man of Ethics]

There is nothing actually progressive about the so-called "progressives" especially considering that it is rheir own orthodoxy rhat is the closest thing to true fascism this country has ever seen

Agree 100%. Modern American Progressives are Totalitarians much worse then Stalin in his time.

 

[YoursTruly]

The Socialism part is right, it's about the means of production being controlled directly by the state.

Communism is when society is communal. All people are equal, there is no state, there is no money etc.

I hate to break it to you, but in the communist state of China and Russia. There is money. And no one is actually equal. That's the BS propaganda the communist tell you. But it's ain't so.

Sort of like the die hard republicans telling you that the USA is a republic. It's not been an actual republic since the lobbyist took over.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I hate to break it to you, but in the communist state of China and Russia. There is money. And no one is actually equal. That's the BS propaganda the communist tell you. But it's ain't so.

Sort of like the die hard republicans telling you that the USA is a republic. It's not been an actual republic since the lobbyist took over.

Problem is here, I was talking about when Communism has been ACHIEVED.

The USSR never achieved Communism. It was a Communist state because it was moving towards Communism, not because it had Communism.

This was the problem with the argument from the person I was replying to before. He claimed the USSR was full Communist in the 1930s. And yet it had a state, it had money, it had Stalin as dictator. It was nowhere near Communism.

 

[YoursTruly]

Problem is here, I was talking about when Communism has been ACHIEVED.

The USSR never achieved Communism. It was a Communist state because it was moving towards Communism, not because it had Communism.

This was the problem with the argument from the person I was replying to before. He claimed the USSR was full Communist in the 1930s. And yet it had a state, it had money, it had Stalin as dictator. It was nowhere near Communism.

I see what you're saying. As if it would ever happened. I get it.

Getting anything like that implemented would have to be by force. Just like a moneyless society. When the government is supposed to be looking out for the the best interest of the people, they can't use force and expect to actually get what they're after.

 

[danielpalos]

The Socialism part is right, it's about the means of production being controlled directly by the state.

Communism is when society is communal. All people are equal, there is no state, there is no money etc.

FDR proved Government is socialism.

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I see what you're saying. As if it would ever happened. I get it.

Getting anything like that implemented would have to be by force. Just like a moneyless society. When the government is supposed to be looking out for the the best interest of the people, they can't use force and expect to actually get what they're after.

I'm not a Communist because I believe it goes against human nature. People are selfish. We see it daily.

Socialism is a little different, I'm not a Socialist, but I believe certain things should be socialized, like healthcare, like infrastructure, the armed forces, possibly banking.

I think Socialism could work if (that's a big IF) done properly. Done in a way which is intelligent and plays on human selfishness.

 

[YoursTruly]

I'm not a Communist because I believe it goes against human nature. People are selfish. We see it daily.

Socialism is a little different, I'm not a Socialist, but I believe certain things should be socialized, like healthcare, like infrastructure, the armed forces, possibly banking.

I think Socialism could work if (that's a big IF) done properly. Done in a way which is intelligent and plays on human selfishness.

Obviously any form of government can work, if it's done correctly and by decent human beings. I think our form of government would be awesome if we'd just get the damn lobbyist out of DC and our state capitals.

I mentioned this before, but no representative can introduce an amendment on the house floor, per Pelosi's rules. Every amendment has to go through committee, which is just code for getting the lobbyist "ok."
Because it done behind closed door in secret. And even if the committee is made up of an equal number of R & D's, it's the lobbyist who pay for their committee seat. So the politicians in those seats are obliged to vote with as the lobbyist says. Otherwise, the politician will have to pay the lobbyist back tens of thousands of $$$$, that was paid for that seat.

This is how both republicans and democrats get bought and paid for. I get a kick out of hearing the left claim Jan 6th was an attack on our democracy, and they have no clue where the real threat lies. There are safeguards to protect ballots in the capital. (Besides the guards and police)
But when the left and the right are being bought and paid for willingly, where's that safeguard? There is none.
This is how you get a HUGELY bloated infrastructure bill that has very little in it about infrastructure.

A republic form of government works best for Americans. We just have to elect politicians who support that and reject lobbyist.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Obviously any form of government can work, if it's done correctly and by decent human beings. I think our form of government would be awesome if we'd just get the damn lobbyist out of DC and our state capitals.

I mentioned this before, but no representative can introduce an amendment on the house floor, per Pelosi's rules. Every amendment has to go through committee, which is just code for getting the lobbyist "ok."
Because it done behind closed door in secret. And even if the committee is made up of an equal number of R & D's, it's the lobbyist who pay for their committee seat. So the politicians in those seats are obliged to vote with as the lobbyist says. Otherwise, the politician will have to pay the lobbyist back tens of thousands of $$$$, that was paid for that seat.

This is how both republicans and democrats get bought and paid for. I get a kick out of hearing the left claim Jan 6th was an attack on our democracy, and they have no clue where the real threat lies. There are safeguards to protect ballots in the capital. (Besides the guards and police)
But when the left and the right are being bought and paid for willingly, where's that safeguard? There is none.
This is how you get a HUGELY bloated infrastructure bill that has very little in it about infrastructure.

A republic form of government works best for Americans. We just have to elect politicians who support that and reject lobbyist.

Well, I'd say Communism can't, in terms of nations. It can work at a small level where everyone is in on it, but human nature is such that we have people who will never be in on it when it comes to millions of people.

Perhaps humanity changes enough in a few thousand years or more for it to work.

In the US I think the FPTP system has had its day. It's outdated and doesn't make sense for such a connected society. People need to either have a vote that is equal with everyone else, or not vote at all.

I'm a big proponent of Proportional Representation as a system, because it's the least worst system, leads to people having more say in their country and politicians having to care about the people more, and less corruption.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Left-wing extremism linked to psychopathy and narcissism: study

“Individuals with dark personalities — such as high narcissistic and psychopathic traits — are attracted to certain forms of political and social activism.”

nypost.com

psychotic. See photos.