Dresden in 1945

[zaangalewa]

It is shameful for you to invoke the Holocaust while at the same time comparing Hitler to Trump.

I do not compare Hitler and Trump. You should try to learn to understand what other people say. I call Donald Trump a high traitor. And I ask myselve why this man ever got more than one vote in any voting. And I warn that Hitler did do a coup in 192x in Bavaria and was not long enough in prison for this crime so he was able to overtake Germany in the early 1930ies. And I say it's not a good idea to laugh about an idiot like Trump as the people once laughed about the idiot Hitler. I am for strong and strict laws in cases of high treason in democracies and not for tolerance.

There are plenty of politicians I do not like, but they didn't burn babies alive

Who burned babies alive?

or throw naked people in trenches, maybe still alive, to die around other bleeding naked people.

Eh?

Get a freaking grip.

Your racist "arguments" against all Germans will help you nothing at all in case you will lose the USA because you give it for free to the people who are destroying the values the USA is basing on.

And by the way: Perhaps you should try to find out what really had happened in Germany in the years 1933-1945. The Holocaust started with the lie "work makes free" (=resocialization of offenders) (- the Nazis used this formula instead of "work makes dead" -) and ended in an highly industrialized form of mass-murder.

 

[Picaro]

Did you swallow Bibi and Biden today?

Says a commie faggot.

 

[zaangalewa]

So you can call me names, but I can’t return the favor.

GFY you Nazi fuck.

It's absolutelly nothing new for me that Nazis like you call other people Nazis. And I would absolutelly not be astonished if I will be hanged one day anywhere in the world as a man who had murdered the own grandparents before he had been born.

 

[Deadstick]

The NATO is a defence alliance. As far as I know 50% of the budget of the NATO pays Germany. The USA is only the most mighty member of this defence alliance. No wonder for a country in the size of a continent. I fear one of the main reasons of the USA to be a member of the NATO is to get control over the other allies of the NATO and to block their military research and innovation power. The USA makes their allies weak. So I think a loss of the USA in the NATO is not really a big problem. The USA will make less money with their weapon industry - other weapon industries will make more money in case the USA will leave the NATO. That's all what will change. Anyway is the USA - since Donald Trump had been president of the USA - no fully trustworthy partner any longer.

NATO a defence alliance? every military operation they have never been involved in has never been defensive EVER, they are an enforcer for the US global agenda, did Yugoslavia attack any NATO Country? because that is when NATO decided to make up their own rules about international law and they have been doing it ever since attacking other Countries, that was until they came up against the brick wall in Ukraine that is Russia who decided enough is enough, without the US NATO would be in the dustbin where it should be, it's also a money making pyramid selling scam, also i didn't notice any referendums about membership from the population in all the new member Countries.

 

[zaangalewa]

NATO a defence alliance?

Yes.

every military operation they have never been involved in has never been defensive EVER,

Always only.

they are an enforcer for the US global agenda, did Yugoslavia attack any NATO Country?

Yugoslavia never attacked anyone. Yugoslavia was destroyed from the own inhabitants. The UNO gave in this case the order to try to protect the citizens of Yugoslavia from the brutal attacks by different armies who did do an unbelievable amount of very heavy war crimes - partially in the intention to do genocides. The different ethnic groups of the people of Yugoslavia still exist in many different little countries now.

because that is when NATO decided to make up their own rules about international law

No chance.

and they have been doing it ever since attacking other Countries,

What do you speak about?

that was until they came up against the brick wall in Ukraine that is Russia who decided enough is enough,

What a nonsense. Since 2008 Putin had sent combatants into the Ukraine to produce a fake-civil war. When in 2014 Russia conquered the Crimean she broke many international agreements she had signed on her own. Normally Russia had to arrest Putin and his criminal gang because this criminals broke your own laws.

without the US NATO would be in the dustbin where it should be, it's also a money making pyramid selling scam, also i didn't notice any referendums about membership from the population in all the new member Countries.

Eh? Russian, you made just simple a very heavy mistake. You attacked your own roots and started a war on Europe. In two world wars you was very succesful by doing so - with the help of the USA. The USA is not your real problem. They will not die for Europe. But you - and also I - underestimated the Europeans in the Ukraine. And I fear you underestimate Europe in general. We never used to have a problem like this in our lives, that's all. We will have to solve it ... or not? We will see.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes.



Always only.



Yugoslavia never attacked anyone. Yugoslavia was destroyed from the own inhabitants. The UNO gave in this case the order to try to protect the citizens of Yugoslavia from the brutal attacks by different armies who did do an unbelievable amount of very heavy war crimes - partially in the intention to do genocides. The different ethnic groups of the people of Yugoslavia still exist in many different little countries now.



No chance.



What do you speak about?



What a nonsense. Since 2008 Putin had sent combatants into the Ukraine to produce a fake-civil war. When in 2014 Russia conquered the Crimean she broke many international agreements she had signed on her own. Normally Russia had to arrest Putin and his criminal gang because this criminals broke your own laws.




Eh? Russian, you made just simple a very heavy mistake. You attacked your own roots and started a war on Europe. In two world wars you was very succesful by doing so - with the help of the USA. The USA is not your real problem. They will not die for Europe. But you - and also I - underestimated the Europeans in the Ukraine. And I fear you underestimate Europe in general. We never used to have a problem like this in our lives, that's all. We will have to solve it ... or not? We will see.

What do you speak about?
I speak about Libya Iraq Afghanistan and terrorism against Syria, there was a civil War in Yugoslavia and the US and NATO supported one side the Croat and Islamist side and Russia was not involved in Ukraine in 2008 stop lying you moron.

 

[zaangalewa]

What do you speak about?
I speak about Libya

UNO-mission

Iraq

NATO not envolved

Afghanistan

The war mission in Afghanistan was the only NATO alliance case to date. Reason: 9/11. The USA stopped this mission very surprisingly and fast so some allies had problems to bring out their people. Reason unknown.

and terrorism against Syria,

No NATO mission and no UNO mission - nevertheless the German Parliament decided to give the Bundeswehr the authority to fight legally in Syria. No idea why.

there was a civil War in Yugoslavia

A mass-murdering, genociding civil war which was stopped from the world in an UNO-mission.

and the US and NATO supported one side the Croat and Islamist side and Russia was not involved in Ukraine in 2008 stop lying you moron.

Russia was envolved in the Ukraine. You was sending since 2008 combatants (young soldiers without uniforms) over your border to the Donbass region where many Russians lived on reason to produce a racist civil war. Most people who died in this artificial civil war had been Ukrainian civilists.

 

[Deadstick]

UNO-mission



NATO not envolved



The war mission in Afghanistan was the only NATO alliance case to date. Reason: 9/11. The USA stopped this mission very surprisingly and fast so some allies had problems to bring out their people. Reason unknown.



No NATO mission and no UNO mission - nevertheless the German Parliament decided to give the Bundeswehr the authority to fight legally in Syria. No idea why.



A mass-murdering, genociding civil war which was stopped from the world in an UNO-mission.



Russia was envolved in the Ukraine. You was sending since 2008 combatants (young soldiers without uniforms) over your border to the Donbass region where many Russians lived on reason to produce a racist civil war. Most people who died in this artificial civil war had been Ukrainian civilists.

All illegal wars with no UN mandate, show me evidence Russia was involved in Ukraine in 2008, you are lying and talking bollocks, and NATO were in Afghanistan for twenty years, the Taliban were not Al Qaeda the US defeated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in a matter of weeks, so for all those years they were occupying the Country and fighting the Taliban and other tribal groups.

 

[zaangalewa]

All illegal wars with no UN mandate, show me evidence Russia was involved in Ukraine in 2008, you are lying and talking bollocks, and NATO were in Afghanistan for twenty years, the Taliban were not Al Qaeda the US defeated Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in a matter of weeks, so for all those years they were occupying the Country and fighting the Taliban and other tribal groups.

You sent soldiers to the Ukraine in 2008 and terrorized the Ukrainians there by murdering them. Sure they had also to defend themselves - but you was not able to create a real civil war there. Then came the next step in 2014 in which you broke international laws by occupying the Crimean. Nevertheless also this problem had been still solvable with diplomatic methods. But about 2½ years ago you started now a totallly stupid, senseless and criminal war againsts Europe in the Ukraine. You had about 1001 yesterdays to end this war. But you did not do so. How long do you like to continue this stupid, senseless and criminal war? Until a dung heap will become a paradise for Russia because a dung heap is a paradise for Putin's brutal dung beetles from the KGB?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Dresden was a war crime!

Dresden was a defended city and a legitimate target. Warsaw and Rotterdam were undefended and had been declared as “open cities” not subject to attack. That didn’t stop Hitler from bombing them in violation of international law. Civilians are always victims in wars, Germany set the standard for “terror bombings” as far back as Guernica in the Spanish Civil War, another “open city” attacked by the Germans. Germany merely reaped what it had sown.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Because there is no comparison. Crimes justify not crimes. The anti-Semite general Patton for example did not bomb down the railway to Auschwitz - but the Brits bombed down Dresden. Do you know how many Jews had been under the refugees there?

One, Patton didn’t control the Air Force. Two, bombing the tracks would have accomplished nothing and would have cost American lives in the attempt. Three, reciprocity is the only way to enforce any laws in wartime.

 

[zaangalewa]

One, Patton didn’t control the Air Force.

Uninteresting for me. It was only an example of an US-American racist and anti-Semite who did not like to help the Jews but loved it to murder Germans. Jews and Germans are the same for me. Did you by the way know that black soldiers from France should had been in the first place of a freedom-parade on reason of the liberation of Paris? It had been the USA who blocked this on racist reasons. And did you ever hear German soldiers raped French women? Then this was a lie. German soldiers raped no one. But US-American soldiers really raped French women.

Two, bombing the tracks would have accomplished nothing and would have cost American lives in the attempt.

It costed also American lifes to like to murder in masses innocent Germans. World war 2 had been much shorter if you had not tried to bomb down all German civilists.

Three, reciprocity is the only way to enforce any laws in wartime.

Bla bla bla bla bla ... You are "great" because for you anywhere else are only shithole countries. It was easy to destroy the railway to Auschwitz. You did not like to do so. That's it.

 

[zaangalewa]

Dresden was a defended city and a legitimate target. ...

You bombed down every city in Germany - even romantic middle age cities because they burned so nice - so we had to defend every city in Germany. The allies knew very well that Dresden was a center full of refugees and without war production. Your attack in Dresden showed very well that you liked to murder all Germans and that your strategy was darwinistic: It's more easy to murder helpless people.

By the way: Warsaw was since 1596 the capital of Poland and Rotterdam is a fampous harbor in the Netherlands. The Netherlands became independent when they left the Holy Roman Empire (=Germany) in 1648.

 

[Deadstick]

You sent soldiers to the Ukraine in 2008 and terrorized the Ukrainians there by murdering them. Sure they had also to defend themselves - but you was not able to create a real civil war there. Then came the next step in 2014 in which you broke international laws by occupying the Crimean. Nevertheless also this problem had been still solvable with diplomatic methods. But about 2½ years ago you started now a totallly stupid, senseless and criminal war againsts Europe in the Ukraine. You had about 1001 yesterdays to end this war. But you did not do so. How long do you like to continue this stupid, senseless and criminal war? Until a dung heap will become a paradise for Russia because a dung heap is a paradise for Putin's brutal dung beetles from the KGB?

Stop lying, I didn't and Russia didn't send troops in 2008, Russia took action in 2014 Russia took control in Crimea to stop the illegal coup Regime in Kiev handing it over to NATO including the base of the black sea fleet in Sevastopol.

 

[Deadstick]

You bombed down every city in Germany - even romantic middle age cities because they burned so nice - so we had to defend every city in Germany. The allies knew very well that Dresden was a center full of refugees and without war production. Your attack in Dresden showed very well that you liked to murder all Germans and that your strategy was darwinistic: It's more easy to murder helpless people.

By the way: Warsaw was since 1596 the capital of Poland and Rotterdam is a fampous harbor in the Netherlands. The Netherlands became independent when they left the Holy Roman Empire (=Germany) in 1648.

You destroyed Warsaw and Rotterdam, Rotterdam is a city i know and had to be built again after the war.

 

[SaxonJackson]

The city got fire bombed.

Also, the allies did some serious fire bombing of large populated swaths of Japan.

War is horror. But nowadays, when an enemy hides intentionally in a civilian populated area, many folks seem content to accuse the nation which is defending itself of “war crimes” and committing a “holocaust” for waging war in a slightly related manner.

Liberals have no honor.

I agree. I think we should nuke the entire cities of Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, St. Louis, Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco because there are some really bad folks hiding amongst the good folks. Modern logic (and warfare) at its finest!!

 

[zaangalewa]

Stop lying, I didn't and Russia didn't send troops in 2008,

You did do so. And you did do worldwide much more war crimes - for example with your "private" Russian Nazi army who you gave the name of the German composer "Wagner" - a symbol for Nazis although Richard Wagner lived in a time of history where no Nazis existed. The costs for the "private" Russian Nazi army payed the Russian taxpayer - and who got the profits of this Russian Nazi-army I don't know - but they had been payed from many political criminals all over the world for their special service "mass-murder". Meanwhile very most members of your NAZI army are part of your regular Russian Red Army.

Russia took action in 2014 Russia took control in Crimea to stop the illegal coup Regime in Kiev handing it over to NATO including the base of the black sea fleet in Sevastopol.

If you believe in the bullshit which you say on your own, Russian, then you would be much more stupid than a single man alone is able to be. It is the right of the Ukraine to like to be in the EU and in the NATO and not to be a member of the current and future tyranny Russia under Putin's KGB and his KGB-church for atheists.

 

[zaangalewa]

You destroyed Warsaw and Rotterdam, Rotterdam is a city i know and had to be built again after the war.

What a nonsense. Half of the new country Poland is built on former German territory while Russia stole in big dimensions the older Polish territory. It is possible that Warsaw - what I doubt - had been once a German city. "Warschau" could mean "Wahr-schau" = "look at the truth" or "the place where we saw the truth".

And you are right: Indeed was Rotterdam bombed from the stupid Nazis in 1940. They destroyed the centre and murdered there 841 civilists. But you said it was not bombed from the allies because it had not been defended from Germans - what is blatant nonsense. The allies did not bomb Rotterdamm because it was not Germany. On the same reason the alllies did not bomb Warsaw ... or ... ??? ... Russian, did you bomb Warsaw on your own when you conquered Poland with the help of your enemies and allies in World War 2??? I would also not be astonished about such a crime.

 

[gipper]

I agree. I think we should nuke the entire cities of Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, St. Louis, Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco because there are some really bad folks hiding amongst the good folks. Modern logic (and warfare) at its finest!!

The poster you responded to is an idiot. He has accepted the propaganda feed him like a baby, about Hamas using human shields. He doesn’t know Gaza is a tiny place with a huge population. So, he ignorantly thinks ten of thousands of Palestinians murdered by Israel couldn’t be helped. They’re all human sheilds in his tiny fucked up head.

Propaganda works well on fools like him. Too many fools like him on this board.

 

[Zebra]

yDresden 1945

humans and culture destroyed
military result … nothing