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[TruthNotBS]

Wrong... socialism is dying here too as well as abroad... we elected Trump in 2016 and in 2020... the election was covid rigged... America wants nothing to do with socialism... not sure you libs here want to hear this but its true....

 

[Rambunctious]

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Guess you have no answer... so you just post a gif like a little kid....

 

[TruthNotBS]

Guess you have no answer... so you just post a gif like a little kid....

That's what you're worth. A line of text or a gif file.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How are more paying jobs created with advanced automation and artificial intelligence in a market, capitalist economy?



When AI debugs the code and repairs software the machine is repaired and able to function. I regularly see AI repair machines shut down due to corrupt coding. I'm training AIs to do that, and they're now at a level that cuts my work by 90%. AI both codes and debugs. In the not-too-distant future, intelligent robots will be able to diagnose and repair hardware (replace parts) using diagnostic software, and physical tools, similar to how auto mechanics diagnose cars today and repair them.



You obviously don't know what a tantrum is.



You're the "blithering fool".



You're a brainwashed zombie.



When the government supports companies to keep them in business, that's socialism for the wealthy. UBI is socialist because it creates an artificial customer base and market, propped up by public funds. Why does your free market capitalism need the government to support it financially and keep it in business? Doesn't your beloved "free market" maintain itself? Do you need public funds from the government? Bailouts?

You provided no number for jobs lost. But it is fact nmore are created.

AI debugging is not maintenance of a machine

You are the brainwashed one as all socialists are. That is historic fact the evidence is crusing

It is not socialism when government pays anyone rich or poor

Free market capitalism has NEVER needed the government to support it financially and the government has never supported it as you claim

 

[Soupnazi630]

That's what you're worth. A line of text or a gif file.

No it is all you have because you are a a person I do not like or agree with.

You support a dead and defeated pile of garbage

As I stated NO economist supports the ideasd of marx and your answer was to hold up drolling idtiost like Wolff as an argument

That proves my point correct

You like ALL socialists are the totally wrong in your thinking.
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[TruthNotBS]

You provided no number for jobs lost. But it is fact nmore are created.

AI debugging is not maintenance of a machine

You are the brainwashed one as all socialists are. That is historic fact the evidence is crusing

It is not socialism when government pays anyone rich or poor

Free market capitalism has NEVER needed the government to support it financially and the government has never supported it as you claim

You're claiming advanced automation creates more jobs. I'm asking you how that's the case.

If a machine runs on software and AI repairs the code, debugging the software, allowing the machine to function properly, that is indeed a repair. Moreover, if the AI can run scheduled maintenance operations regularly then that constitutes maintenance. That's exactly what AI is doing today with CNC machines.

If the government supports people financially because your beloved free-market can't provide for their needs, then that's socialism saving capitalism, because without that government program, the economy would collapse due to social unrest. People need to eat and have a roof over their heads, and if capitalism can't meet those basic needs, requiring the government to support people with public funds, then that's a failure of capitalism.

The reason economists and the wealthy ruling class are promoting UBI or "Universal Basic Income" is because they recognize that advanced automation and artificial intelligence lead to mass unemployment. If the government provides people with an income because capitalism can't, that's a vivid example of socialism subsidizing capitalism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No it is all you have because you are a fool

You support a dead and defeated pile of garbage

As I stated NO economist supports the ideasd of marx and your answer was to hold up drolling idtiost like Wolff as an argument

That proves my point correct

You like ALL socialists are the brainwashed zombie

You're a punk piece of shit.

I support socialism and you support a dying, obsolete system of production = capitalism.

Like a retard you asserted no economists are Marxists and I showed how there are Marxist economists, even her in the West. So you're wrong and I'm right.

All you've proven is your inability to defend capitalism.

You're a brainwashed dolt.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You're claiming advanced automation creates more jobs. I'm asking you how that's the case.

If a machine runs on software and AI repairs the code, debugging the software, allowing the machine to function properly, that is indeed a repair. Moreover, if the AI can run scheduled maintenance operations regularly then that constitutes maintenance. That's exactly what AI is doing today with CNC machines.

If the government supports people financially because your beloved free-market can't provide for their needs, then that's socialism saving capitalism, because without that government program, the economy would collapse due to social unrest. People need to eat and have a roof over their heads, and if capitalism can't meet those basic needs, requiring the government to support people with public funds, then that's a failure of capitalism.

The reason economists and the wealthy ruling class are promoting UBI or "Universal Basic Income" is because they recognize that advanced automation and artificial intelligence leads to mass unemployment hence people need an income to survive under capitalism. If the government provides people with an income because capitalism can't, that's a vivid example of socialism subsidizing capitalism.

AI is not a machine it is software.

No that is not socialism. Socialism is not government hand outs it is central planniong and state ownership of all property.


Only a few support UBI and they are idiots.

None of your reasoning is valid

 

[Soupnazi630]

You're a punk piece of shit.

I support socialism and you support a dying, obsolete system of production = capitalism.

Like a retard you asserted no economists are Marxists and I showed how there are Marxist economists, even her in the West. So you're wring and I was right.

All you've proven is your inability to defend capitalism.

You're a brainwashed dolt.

Soclaims is gthe dying obseleet system and history proves that

it is an evil system of tyranny and slavery


I never said no no economists are marxists yoiu are lying


Marxists ec0onimists are ffeeaudulent econimists and complete proven fools


You are brainwashed I am not

 

[TruthNotBS]

AI is not a machine it is software.

No that is not socialism. Socialism is not government hand outs it is central planniong and state ownership of all property.


Only a few support UBI and they are idiots.

None of your reasoning is valid

AI is not a machine it is software.

Duh, AI is part of the machine you retard. Without the software, the machine can't function.

No that is not socialism. Socialism is not government hand outs it is central planniong and state ownership of all property.

Socialism is indeed central planning by the government and state ownership of private property (not personal property). Nonetheless, if capitalism is unable to function without the government subsidizing its operation, that's essentially socializing production. The people are supporting that productive activity with their labor, via the public funds paid by their government. You're essentially admitting that capitalism with its "free market" is unable to function without the government paying for its operation and subsidizing its labor force.

Only a few support UBI and they are idiots.

You're an idiot for thinking capitalism can survive advanced automation and artificial intelligence without a UBI.

None of your reasoning is valid

It's self-evidently true and only shitheads like you assert otherwise.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Soclaims is gthe dying obseleet system and history proves that

it is an evil system of tyranny and slavery


I never said no no economists are marxists yoiu are lying


Marxists ec0onimists are ffeeaudulent econimists and complete proven fools


You are brainwashed I am not

Soclaims is gthe dying obseleet system and history proves that

You're confusing socialism with capitalism. Socialism is the future of production due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Capitalism is obsolete and will soon go the way of the dodo.

it is an evil system of tyranny and slavery

The actual tyranny and slavery is capitalism, with its totalitarian workplace and all of the wars that capitalist imperialists start to make a profit.

I never said no no economists are marxists yoiu are lying

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Zone1 - Is socialism dying abroad?....

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That there are no "proven experts" that are Marxists.

There are plenty of expert economists who are Marxists, throughout the world and we have some here in the US as well, although this is the belly of the capitalist beast. There are fewer professionally trained Marxist economists here than in Europe, Asia, and Latin America. etc, but we still have expert economists who are Marxists. So you're the piece of shit liar.

 

[Rambunctious]

That's what you're worth. A line of text or a gif file.

Still no answer....

 

[TruthNotBS]

Still no answer....

To what?

 

[Rambunctious]

To what?

Still no substance....

 

[TruthNotBS]

Still no substance....

That describes your posts perfectly.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You're confusing socialism with capitalism. Socialism is the future of production due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Capitalism is obsolete and will soon go the way of the dodo.


The actual tyranny and slavery is capitalism, with its totalitarian workplace and all of the wars that capitalist imperialists start to make a profit.



You said in this post:

Zone1 - Is socialism dying abroad?....

Outdated.... he was a pre modern era economist and would undoubtedly think differently today about many aspects of his position... that's why we can't look back is history without taking in the facts and circumstances of the age we are looking at.... A lot of people do that to try and make a...

www.usmessageboard.com

That there are no "proven experts" that are Marxists.

There are plenty of expert economists who are Marxists, throughout the world and we have some here in the US as well, although this is the belly of the capitalist beast. There are fewer professionally trained Marxist economists here than in Europe, Asia, and Latin America. etc, but we still have expert economists who are Marxists. So you're the piece of shit liar.

I am confusing nothing. You are.

I am better than you


Yes there are NO proven experts who are marxists gthe marxists are all ignorant piles of trash

You are the liar not I

 

[Soupnazi630]

Duh, AI is part of the machine you retard. Without the software, the machine can't function.

No that is not socialism. Socialism is not government hand outs it is central planniong and state ownership of all property.

Socialism is indeed central planning by the government and state ownership of private property (not personal property). Nonetheless, if capitalism is unable to function without the government subsidizing its operation, that's essentially socializing production. The people are supporting that productive activity with their labor, via the public funds paid by their government. You're essentially admitting that capitalism with its "free market" is unable to function without the government paying for its operation and subsidizing its labor force.



You're an idiot for thinking capitalism can survive advanced automation and artificial intelligence without a UBI.



It's self-evidently true and only shitheads like you assert otherwise.

Ai and machines are two different things, You CANNOT name a machine capable of maintaining itself and your futuristic robots are FICITION

Capitalism can and does survivie and thrive without subsidies which you have not and cannot disprove.

It is self evidently true that you are proven wrong

You are a liar and fool

I have prpoven that fact

Soocooa;lism is on the trash heap of history where it belongs you are an inevitable FAILURE

 

[Rambunctious]

That describes your posts perfectly.

Once again you still have said nothing... why do you bother to post?....

 

[Ringo]

The project of building socialism in the USSR turned out to be super successful. Realize the fact that from the very first attempt, and not from the 5th or 20th, it was possible to build a superpower without any bourgeoisie, robbery of other countries and in an extremely hostile environment. Next attempts will be even better.

 

[sparky]

Capitalism can and does survivie and thrive without subsidies which you have not and cannot disprove.

But we're not seeing that Soup

We're seeing socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor , via subsidies

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